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Everybody knows that the days are loaded

Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed. Everybody knows the war is over. Everybody knows the government.

Good guys lost, everybody knows The fight was fixed, the poor stay poor The rich get rich, that's how it goes Everybody knows Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows the captain Everybody got this broken feeling Like their father or their dog just died Everybody talking

to their pockets everybody wants a box of chocolates and a long stem rose everybody knows Everybody knows that you love me, baby Everybody knows that you really do Everybody knows that you've been faithful

Everybody knows you've been discreet but there were so many people you just had to meet without your clothes.

And everybody knows Everybody knows Everybody knows That's how Everybody knows Everybody knows But I know.

Hi, Cort. How you doing, dude? I'm doing great, man. I'm glad that you had me back, even though, you know, on your first episode, I went all like Frank Cross from... from uh scrooge to anya uh well we we needed that then and we may need it today but we definitely needed it then because that was

That was when we were getting ready to go into the reality of the shit show. Yeah, now it's so much worse than what we were expecting it to be as far as I'm concerned. I just can't believe it sometimes.

You know, I know this, there's going to be some point I'm probably going to have to change the name of the show to Darren and guests get crotchety, but.

Back in my day, politicians just robbed you blind. They didn't try to undo your whole society. Instead of the Joker, it's just the fucking joke.

Oh, man. Yeah. The part that is the worst, though, is I was kind of hoping that Bannon's placement was just going to be some kind of ceremonial thing. But no, it's pretty much we got hashtag President Bannon the whole entire time. That's the worst part of it.

is the white supremacist fucking white nationalist agenda that is being pushed forward. And he can fucking brag about it at CPAP and the conservatives think it's like this brilliant fucking thing.

Because of Ayn Rand and the tea party. I mean, God damn it. It's so much worse than what I was expecting it to be. It's just so fucking terrible. Did you see where he let it slip?

And said, we at Breitbart. Yeah, yeah. So he doesn't even distinguish between Breitbart and the White House at all, which was pretty much a foregone conclusion the minute that a lot more people got hired, you know, from that.

fucking rag piece of shit site the only upside to this though is that uh because of twitter campaigns and stuff like that they're losing their funding left and right and um i think that's possibly why

Well, then again, you know, you can say one thing and then do another. Politicians have been doing that for fucking ever, and that was never going to end. But I think that's why there was a softer tone in Bannon's speech that Trump gave for him.

Because he's walking some of it back and he's like, ooh, we're trying to do too much too fast. We have to try and lull them into a false sense of security. And the fucking mainstream news networks out there, like your CNNs and everything.

They're even kind of falling for it where they're like, oh, well, maybe he'll be more presidential because they just want life to be normal. They don't want to have to be like constantly be in this fight. They just want to have a president like.

They're like they're like hoping they can get him to at least calm down enough to where he's like George Bush evil instead of being like straight out dark side. You know, they're trying to get him like Lex Luthor evil at least. It's not going to it's not going to happen. I mean, like unless this Russia shit.

really comes to fruition more, and both the CIA and the FBI actually start pushing that envelope.

I mean, it's just partisan politics as usual, and it's just so ridiculous, the party over country. And it's on both sides, too. I mean, like, the Democrats are picking the easier side of things.

to go against and to try and you know do these little nitpicky things so they can make these grand time like like these grandstand things where they're just like looking at

Well, if I stretch this out and I ask all these right questions to get my news time, then my constituents will be happy. And then I can have this little step where it looks like I'm trying to do something and it looks like I'm trying to fight.

this but in reality all i'm really doing is rolling over and letting them scratch my belly you know it's just it's so fucking ridiculous like they're not i i think probably the only person that really seems like he's actually

choosing country over everything else is sanders which makes me even more pissed off that he got railroaded out of his chance to run by the machine that is now currently rolling over and letting their belly be scratched by the white nationalist party

Oh, I'm sorry. Republicans. Yeah. It's just the most oppressive party. Yeah. Jesus, man. It's just, just makes you want to scream.

And then they put Perez in charge instead of Ellison. I know. What the fuck, man? For those of you that are hearing this part, if I haven't cut it out, orange pumpkin number 45.

Did his first joint address to Congress where he said the same thing at least three times each time. Embellished much.

I believe the count was 51 inaccuracies or lies and 61 statements. Well, he is getting better. Instead of all of them or 100%, he's now at a roughly 85 to 90. Yeah.

Well, you know, I think he lowered a little bit because he was getting ready to milk those war widow tears. Oh, that was the fucking worst. I realize.

that the congress had to do what they had to do and look like they were supporting the widow the way that they did it and i my heart goes out to her but let's face it she deserves so much better than what has happened

And why would she even volunteer to be there like that? She's so being used. So being used. She was invited. Oh, go ahead. I was going to say, like, everybody just seems to think that this was such a grand and wonderful gesture. And it's like.

No, it's a diversion technique for fuck's sake. He's like, no, look at this sad widow and everything that she's gone through because of my poor decisions.

And me sleeping while this operation was taking place, you know? Oh, it was the general's fault. The buck stops there, you know? Oh, yeah.

What did he say? They did it a whole fuck ton of times. They invited her to that speech the day after the guy died. Ugh.

And that's they're trying to get this wartime president thing going, which is why he's beefing up the military and why he's making these grand statements. He's trying to pick a fight with somebody. So because a wartime president is always more popular, you know, because.

Because people are like, oh, it's in times of war. He has to make this kind of decision. Fucking Bush did it, you know, that helped him get reelected, you know, and that's exactly what the Republicans do whenever their fucking time starts tanking.

And everybody starts looking at them a little too closely. They put up a big war so people can raise the patriotic flag and just fucking swing it back and forth, screaming, I love America, let's go kick some ass. And it's like, no, that's not how it works. Stop banging that drum.

yeah no i just i don't know man it just it feels like it's just gonna keep getting worse and i don't i don't think the nation that you and i grew up with is gonna be around by the time

or at the end of our lives. And I don't even know if we're going to make it to the 250 years that is coming up here in, what, like nine years now or whatever. I can't remember the total number right now off the top of my head, but Jesus.

Yeah, when he brought it up in his speech to Congress, I thought he was either going to say something about on that day, my daughter will be president or something that would still make you cringe.

Or that he was going to bring back the world's huge, the huge world fair. Bigly, bigly, bigly world fair. Oh, yeah. You know, and that's.

Just to kind of do my little segue bit here, and that's what actually is quite fitting for... I mean, what we're talking about now is a grown-up version of exactly what's going on in Pump Up to Volume.

The administration and the people that are in charge of your day-to-day lives that make these decisions on your behalf, supposedly. But in all reality, it's just for their own benefit. These folks...

you know like a school group that you would like a principal and their faculty being taken on by a you know seemingly powerless person that all they really have is their voice and their ability to have people hear them screaming to the void i mean

Nothing seems more fitting than that for the situation we're talking about here. So I'm assuming that's why you picked it, but it might have also been because of the whole Devos thing. It was both. I, this was.

Probably within the first five movies I wrote down when I started making a list of shit I wanted to do. And then when the whole DeVos thing was...

Yeah, I guess pronouncing it Devos is kind of an insult to Devo because it makes it sound like plural Devos. Devo also is afraid of bears. That's well, in fact.

Yeah. And apparently, well, no, they're not afraid of education because they're all quite brilliant men. Yes. I mean, I'm sure DeVos has whips and strange hats.

Runs around farm with all that donation money. Whatever photograph that she has laid in the field that her cows shit on when she whips them.

whilst wearing a flower pot on her head. That's who gets the first million. That's very Twin Peaks, the way you describe that. I've been catching up a little bit.

Or brushing up a little bit on those since the new one's getting ready to come out. I don't think you and I've ever really talked about it. Where do you stand on Twin Peaks? What, coming back?

Like coming back and in general, I haven't really watched it since probably about I think the first time I watched it was probably about.

maybe six seven years ago like i was aware of it but i was never around when um it was airing kind of you know like it just wasn't in my purview then at that time in like the 90s

And so going back and watching it, I think a friend of mine bought it and I was a big fan of David Lynch. I had seen all of his movies pretty much at that point about five or six years ago. So like watching a David Lynch TV show is just basically like.

Watching a David Lynch movie, it's only chopped up into 40 some odd minute segments, you know, so it's very comfortable and it's like being at home. But unfortunately, one of the movies I had already watched was Firewalk with me. So I already knew the big secret, but I mean.

You know, the TV show definitely I think the thing that the TV show really suffers from is like TV show censorship. So David Lynch can't go full bore all the way out like he likes to. Yeah.

But everything else about it just feels like you're at home. It just feels comfortable and it feels right. And this one definitely has more of that sort of melodramatic...

You know, the Twin Peaks TV show has more of that melodramatic, almost soap opera quality. Like it really is a soap opera with all these weird things going on. And, you know, like a horse, a horse dancing under a streetlight that's hanging from a tree.

You know, middle of nowhere. I know that was the Simpsons version of it. But since our our buddies, Duncan and Bo are doing the Twin Peaks revisit for the new series version that's coming back.

I decided that I'm going to dive right in because I only ever got through the first season, which is like the movie that starts up and then like.

that like a little six episode run i think it is or whatever like six or seven episodes counting the pilot it was the first season and then i got a little bit into the second season but i never really kind of

finished it because the friends that owned it at that time we just kind of stopped watching it and went on and did something else so now i'm just going to go the whole way through and then we'll see what happens with the third season but i'm very interested in it because lynch has definitely been

Kind of going off the deep end, like assaulting people verbally by saying you shouldn't be watching his movies on your fucking phone and stuff. Don't watch it on your phone.

Yeah, it's like, take it down a notch, dude. I mean, this is just the new way. You sound like a crotchety old man. You know? Like, was he okay? He was okay with people watching it on their TV now even though the picture was better.

are bigger it wasn't better so you can actually see more on the phone than you could on the tv yeah but it's it's no worse than the people that go like super nuts and say that you should only watch film on film like you have to watch it on 35 millimeter film

That's the stuff that bugs me. Oh, since you brought up Duncan and Bo, and Duncan and Bo go to Twin Peaks, is that what the series is called?

I believe so, yeah. I think it's an offshoot of their come correct. So they're coming correctly by going to Twin Peaks. I want to congratulate you, dude, on joining...

the uh illustrious legion podcasts network yeah they adopted us man we were hanging around outside the house all the time grabbing table scraps and you know the kids were playing with us and

You know, Bo took pity on us. He's like, guys, come on. You're hanging around all the time anyway. Why don't you come on in and have a home? That's pretty much what happened. He's like, come on and have a home. Now, we haven't moved all of our stuff in just yet. We're still...

transferring everything over because you know it's like 80 some odd episodes so you can only post so many at a time without clogging up their feed so i'm trying to migrate it over slowly but surely but

Once it's all migrated over, everything's getting switched over, the iTunes feeds and everything. So it's going to take a little bit of time, but until I get that done, I'm going to be posting on both the Podbean site and on the Legion stuff.

Either way, if you're already subscribed in iTunes and Stitcher or Google Play or whatever, I'm going to try and get all of those feeds switched over to the correct Legion feed from here on out. Nice. It's a lot of work, but a lot of cutting and pasting.

Just trying to recreate everything and backdating the posts as you do it. Yeah, but it's worth it in the long run because I have a home now. That's awesome. No more standing outside kicking the.

The dingy scuffed white toe of your Chuck Taylor in the dust. Yeah. Can Duncan come out and play? What about Misty? Huh? You know, like Gary?

Is Gary in there? Will somebody from Legion talk to us? We're lonely. Ricky, I know you'll talk to me. Somebody brought a kiss record.

And then they're all like, yeah, come on in, dude. This is just sad. But yeah, dude, congratulations. I don't even think that was that wasn't even the works last time you were on. And you were by the time this comes out, you're only on about two months ago.

That sounds about right. Well, it was Ricky kind of suggested it. He's like, you know, you should you just move in. You hang out here all the time anyway. You might as well just move in. And then, you know, it's just yeah. And then it just kind of it got kind of set up and.

And Bo contacted me. He's like, hey, you hang out here all the time. Why don't you move in? We're like, OK, adopt us.

That's pretty much it just it happened really, really quick. Like it was it was suggested. I brought it up to Matt and he's like, well, you run the show anyway. I just show up and do what you tell me. So it just happened. At least at least he knows.

Yeah, it was super quick. Yeah. Oh, no, he's he's under no delusions about about who actually runs the show, because, I mean, let's face it, I have all the equipment. What's the what's the thing from the wedding singer? I have this microphone, so you will do everything.

Or listen to every word I say. Yeah, you listen to every word I have to say. Right, right. That's all of why I started podcasting because the microphone is power.

The microphone is power, and that is why we are talking about pump up the fucking volume today. See, I set it up, and you spiked that segue. That's how you get to be a pro, right there. That's what happens when I have...

Strong guests. Strong voice. I don't even exercise. But it's funny that you said that this movie is so fitting.

And hopefully in some way or another, all the ones that I picked, but I really think the two that you and I have done so far, or will have done by the time this night ends, is they relate.

Two things that we hold near and dear to our heart, which is antagonizing bastards and rebellion. Oy, oy, oy. I mean...

You said this is America now, and this movie is from, what, 1990? Yeah, it was released in 1990. It was shot at the tail end of the 80s, as far as I understand it.

It actually fits just about any time in the right point in which the establishment is what it is, or where it is now.

where you're coming off the Reaganomics era or you're getting the start of the Bush era, it fit perfectly there. And then, you know, whether it's Bush 1 or Bush Jr., you know, it fits perfectly for...

Whenever there's a very powerful conservative stream going through the country.

And it also fits because Mark's parents are fucking baby boomers, man, and they're the ones that are really screwing up this country right now. They act like they're not, but, you know, they are. They're the ones that are doing it, being set in their ways.

Just getting all upset about how their failures is whatever they were trying to do with their occupying administration buildings didn't work for them. And now they want to be like, well, we can't beat them. Let's join them.

And apparently joining them means, you know, white supremacy. And happy Harry Hardon, our hero, because we all love alliteration.

Well, and also because he goes to Hubert Humphrey High, because whoever wrote this film clearly loves alliteration. And I'm a big fan of alliteration, so I was digging that. He kicks off the movie.

You ever get the feeling that everything in America is completely fucked up? You know that feeling that the whole country is like one inch away from saying, that's it, forget it.

the government, the schools, you name it. Yeah, you got it, folks. It's me again with a little attitude for all you out here in white bread land. All you nice people living in the middle of America, the beautiful.

Let's see, we're on 92 FM tonight, and it feels like a nice clean little band so far. No one else is using it, and the price is right. And yes, folks, you guessed it.

Fuck, dude.

I mean, universal truths are universal truths and history repeats itself. But God damn. Yeah. And the worst part about that is, is things were actually not that bad when he was complaining. You know, when you look at it in retrospect.

It was the decline into the idiocracy that was just getting started back then. We weren't quite in the age of the Beavis and Butthead hero worship, if you will, where being ignorant and stupid was looked upon as a good thing.

You know, and it's gotten significantly worse. We raise up people because they say things like cash me outside. How about that? And they become this like fucking Internet darling and everybody wants to pay them a lot of money just to.

keep acting poorly on screen just for reality tv's sake i mean that's what really started our decline when we prop up people that are just ridiculous and just a complete waste of flesh because they're outrageous on screen

I mean, that's what put the fucking Cheeto in the office is the fact that he was a reality TV star. Yep, he had the celebrity apprentice president, the celebrity president.

Yeah, I mean, if we continue to allow this kind of spiraling to happen, it's just going to get worse. We're just going to keep seeing more and more of... these types of decisions made based on a popularity contest as opposed to qualifications.

Because, you know, you say the right thing at the right time and you get the right people feeling like it's OK to be racist because this guy speaks his mind. So maybe I can speak my mind, you know, even though I'm being used and I'm an idiot. You know, that's that's basically what's happening.

And this whole backlash where people keep using the term political correctness is this, political correctness is that, and that's a problem. It's not a necessary thing where you need to look at it as if...

Political correctness at a certain point isn't really a term about anything other than – what is that thing I always go back to? Replace it with treating people with respect. Right.

If you think of that, like even if you're telling jokes that may be off color, if you're saying things that are slightly rude, if you're calling somebody a twat waffle.

make sure they've earned it. Because if they aren't treating people with respect, then it is actually, in fact, the better thing to do to not treat them with respect. For instance...

Kellyanne Conway being who she is and, you know, being a twat waffle. If I don't call her a twat waffle, even though that may be not politically correct because I'm not treating her with respect.

She hasn't earned that, so therefore it's okay. Look at it that way. Not about giving people respect they may not deserve, but giving basic human being respect where if you don't know someone...

how about you learn who they are before you just judge them based on i don't know the amount of tattoos they have whatever skin pigment they were born with the particular sexual preference that they have their gender identity all of these different things that

people use to create the star belly snitch syndrome where they're automatically better than because that thing is the other why don't you learn a little bit about that other and then you'll kind of realize that

When we're all opened up, we're red inside anyway, so what's it matter? Little Clive Barker there. Little Clive Barker there. We're all books of blood. When we're opened up, we're red. But, I mean, that's...

What Mark says, a lot of the stuff that Mark says when he's broadcasting, he says some of the most filthiest Lenny Bruce inspired. God bless him for that. Crazy shit. And Mark says the wrong thing at the right time.

the time in everything that he does and all of these ranting now he sees the world from a very strict teenage sensibility and this kind of happens to you when you're below 20 you automatically assume that everyone above 20

is completely clueless, is an idiot, and can't see the world the way that you do, that you automatically have these eyes that you just understand everything. Particularly males, I notice, do that. I mean...

In my teenage years, from the time I was 15 till about right before I hit into the 20s and I wasn't, you know, wasn't like 18, 19. You know, when I hit the 20s is when I kind of realized, no, I'm kind of full of shit. But, you know.

You think you know everything. Like, you think you understand particle physics when you read, like, one sort of book that may have featured that that was a sci-fi novel. You automatically assume you know all this shit and you're arrogant as a kid. You're cocky.

And Mark is definitely that. And he thinks he has all the answers. He has some, but he doesn't have them all. And I think when you watch this film at the right age, if you see that when you are in that mindset.

especially as a male at that age when I saw it. I mean, 1990 is when this came out, and I caught this shortly thereafter. I couldn't have been much older than 13 or 14 the first time I saw this, and I immediately was like, wow.

I'm Mark, man. I see everything, you know, and I'm going to fight the system, you know, and all that kind of stuff. But the biggest problem, I think a lot of this unchecked aggression and.

The rebellious attitude of this whole fuck you, I won't do what you tell me. If you don't apply it in the right direction and you're just rebelling against everything, all you're really doing is just destroying stuff.

And while destroying shit is fun, eventually you're going to need a place to sleep. So you got to build something back up. And like it took me. Oh, God, it took me till my mid.

30s to realize that a couple days ago yeah yeah not too long ago um but you know like you can't

You can't mosh around a house forever punching holes in the wall whenever you've got this horrible draft and you're freezing to death, you know? Eventually you need a place where you can fall asleep at night and not have to worry about...

all the crazy shit that you did during the day so you got to take all this rage you got to take all this fucking aggression you got to take all the shit that you want to just be like fuck you you can't tell me to do that and you focus it at a specific thing you know

and i think that's mark's biggest problem and i think that's kind of what led to his downfall is he was just unfocused and he was just lashing out at everything because he didn't fit in you know and that's that's our that's our biggest problem really as human beings and as

people who have nature of rebellion i mean you see that all the time in the movement of the music that you and i both love like punk rock how many punk rock

ideas and how much rebellion that they have where they're going to change the world and they're going to do all this stuff, but that revolution's not going to get started until that keg gets tapped.

You know what I mean? As soon as the keg is empty, man, we're going to fucking fight. We're going to take over the world.

You know what? Take the fucking keg out of the equation and save it for whenever you actually get your revolution done and let's see what you can do then. Victory keg. Yeah, yeah. You save the celebrating when you actually get a victory.

you know and and that's that's our biggest problem is the focus man and

Like I said, it took me until, well, what was it, last week for me to realize this stuff. And so watching the movie now, Mark isn't so much a hero to me as he's a very scared, very flawed kid who is just...

looking for a way to lash out and be heard because even his own parents don't hear him. They listen, but they don't hear what he's saying. He can't talk to people. He can't express himself.

But you put a mic in front of his face and he becomes this bold, outrageous, outspoken being that you can't control, you can't contain, and you can't stop. And yes, that's...

pretty much every fucking podcast or two i'm guilty of it i mean i would i would be lying if i didn't say that this film didn't birth this the the creature that is cort psyops that gets thrown out there on the internet like

There's a very big influence on this. And I know a lot of other podcasters have watched this film and that idea and doing that radio show and having that platform to just project your voice out there to the world.

you know even though you may not know what kind of response you're getting from it and you don't get the feedback from you know the people that hear it quite like mark does because he's broadcasting to the people in his school but like the power that that can actually have where

you can put out a message there even when you're just talking about fucking movies like the response that you get and the people that kind of

Like, I'm still amazed to this day the stuff that people hang on our every words and come up with some kind of joke because of something that we made them laugh so they make a meme out of it or whatever. Like, I am floored by that. And sometimes I'm a little terrified by it, too. Because I'm like...

I'm like, what if I say something completely outrageous and then somebody runs with it and it becomes this thing. And then I got to like walk that back and feel bad about it, you know?

you know like and and i i have no power none at all i'm not even you know a public figure like like you know like i can't imagine what it would be like to be somebody who has like

an entire stadium full of people in front of you that's like millions and millions of people and you just say okay everybody stomp your feet and they do it you know what i mean like that kind of that kind of influence on other people is terrifying to me

You know, so that kind of Turk 182 power. Well, yeah, I mean, he's all he really wanted to do was get somebody to take care of his brother. He just wanted to get revenge on the guy that wouldn't watch out.

you know or wouldn't wouldn't recognize his brother as a hero and who just happened to make a mistake i mean that's his that's his power that's that that was his influence and when he realized that the entire city was going crazy for him

it did take him back you know like he was all shy and and kind of worried in the interview and he didn't really want to be political it just kind of fell into his lap this way and a lot of ways mark probably didn't want to be this

Rebel DJ figure that everybody you know listened to and he sparked this weird teen revolution of Taking on the FCC and taking back the FM radio waves. It most certainly doesn't seem like he wanted that

you know and and it just kind of it was looking for a way to express himself and looking for somebody to talk to and he knew that if he could get out there on the radio for somebody to listen to him

Maybe he could get some feedback. Maybe he could get, you know, the communication, you know, just daily contact with people that he couldn't get in his normal day life because he was too terrified to talk to somebody without the microphone behind him or in front of him, you know?

It seemed like an extension of his creative writing. Yeah, absolutely. When nobody's looking but there's the microphone, he feels like his id or whatever the fuck just...

comes out and rages. I don't even think it's so much that nobody can see him when he's doing it. I think it's because you've got this equipment and you can control the way you sound.

you can you can mod like he modulates his voice with a pitch shifter so he's kind of hiding behind that but i mean you put a microphone like you know i i used to be a vocalist in bands and things like that and i'm not gonna say singer because i was in a lot of like you know

metal and hardcore punk so i didn't actually sing sing it was more vocalizations uh but when you put that microphone in somebody's hands especially if they are somewhat introverted that microphone becomes like the handle of the shield and

As soon as you have that in your hand, it doesn't matter who's in front of you, who's behind you, or who's looking at you, because you have this mic. And when you shout into that, you're automatically louder than anybody else that's on that floor. And you can shout them down.

you know you couple that with being elevated on some kind of a stage where you're automatically like physically standing above them and it gives you this

false sense of security where if you are this shy person that's introverted and would rather just kind of be left alone in public you get this weird thing where every single piece of you that's frustrated and angry

and needs to say something and wants to get this expression out just it just cuts loose all at once now in mark's case it's in his basement where people may not be able to see him but

that microphone's there it's that shield it's that that separation from all of that anxiety it just kind of rips you open and lays you bare and then everything that streams forth like that that stream of consciousness that

he spits out because he doesn't work on the script he's just talking and just to talk you know because he doesn't know how else to express himself and that's where the beauty of the things now i know his stuff was scripted by a writer but

If you look at it in the context of the film, the beauty of the truth that he reveals there and the things that he actually says on how he views the world, he doesn't plan it ahead of time. He just starts talking.

And sometimes it just so happens he's going to make dick and fart jokes or read letters from people and ask them questions about their sex lives or whatever. And then sometimes he goes and expands upon that by, doesn't it suck to be a teenager?

I thought it was pretty interesting when I saw that Alan Moyle, I think that's how you pronounce the writer-director's name.

Yeah, that sounds about right. He didn't do a whole lot of other stuff other than this after it. The one that I most notably recognized was Empire Records. I was like, wow, this guy really touches into teen angst in the 90s, doesn't he?

Yeah, that seems to be his sweet spot. Right. And there was the Lenny Bruce book after, that's the book that Mark returns in the library.

To the unbeknownst to him at this point, the eat me, beat me lady. He's returning the Lenny Bruce book, right? Yeah.

And Alan Moyle said that he really tried to make Mark an amalgam of Lenny Bruce and Holden Caulfield.

Oh, well, that's yeah. If Holden Caulfield could actually have the expression that Lenny Bruce had. Yeah, that's perfect. I can see where that amalgamation actually came to fruition in my mind.

Yeah, the Holden Caulfield hate for phonies with the alleged profanity of Lenny Bruce.

Well, I would say using foul language to influence people because that's what he did the best. He disarmed people in an era where saying fuck was so horrifying by using that term.

and then injected their head with all sorts of ideas they didn't normally want to think about because they're already like, he said fuck. And then when they're gone from his comedy show, they're like, wait, he's right.

Thank fuck's not so bad. You know what I mean? That's the genius of Lenny Bruce is using foul language and using that sort of shock value to implant ideas into people's heads and get them thinking about something.

other than their normal day-to-day existence. But that's just pure genius right there. That's what makes Lenny Bruce my fucking hero.

And I have to admit, I didn't know Lenny Bruce before I saw this film. And it was because of this film that I ended up trying to find out about Lenny Bruce. Nice. I mean, I don't think you're expected to know who Lenny Bruce is before you're 13.

I expect me to know who Lenny Bruce is before I'm 13. Maybe I expect too much from myself in the past. Well, I think you're pretty forgiving as we're discovering through this talk.

you used to feel similar to Mark and now you're like, I mean, we're all older than we used to be, but since it was somewhat influential and...

Oh, I would say it was very influential at the time. And we'll get into that a little bit later. But yeah, go ahead. I think you're being really nice to yourself. A lot of people...

say they'd like to smack themselves around and i think you're just gently guiding the memory of the old you oh i i was barely a human being back then in a lot of regards

When I when I had talks with Boz from Little Pot of Horrors, I always mention or we talk about how the person I was back then could be referred to as Cort the Bastard. And I lived that, you know, where it was.

The whole Cort the Bastard thing, I totally lived that at that time frame. There was a certain point where I went from being what felt like a relatively normal kid, or at least I could pass from being normal.

like pretty much around the time 12 to I don't know 13 14 right around when I saw this film I noticed that my taste in music had nothing to do with what was on the radio it was these weird things that I started discovering

here and there or you know a friend of my dad's would leave a tape behind that i would happen to listen to and it would become like this new thing that i was obsessed with you know and i was able to kind of hide somewhat

behind you know when you're really young you just really want to fit in but there got to be a point where not sure exactly when it started happening other than maybe listening to punk rock and metal and then watching this movie and maybe even like uh

you know breakfast club you know like at that at that certain like very formative year when you're like you know 12 13 years old you start seeing these people that are okay with not fitting in and they don't give a what other people think

And then you look around the people that you're growing up with, and for me particularly, I grew up in an extremely tiny community. It was a very small town.

Basically a bunch of small towns, and then the entire county had one school district for its bigger city limit, and then the smaller rural areas had another one.

So people would be shipped around like all over the place to this little tiny school. And you get exposed to people that just aren't really going to fit in with you at all in any way, shape or form, you know.

The rampant racism and homophobia that I was growing up around, I just felt like that wasn't right. Even at that age, I knew like, I was like, okay, so what? You know?

But nobody else really seemed to be like that. So I started realizing, like, I'm not going to fit in here. This isn't a square peg round hole situation. This is like literally like bright fire in a fog.

kind of thing where if i don't leave i'm gonna snuff out before i'm even seen you know it's just i i can't i can't exist i'm gonna suffocate in this town

And like right around that time, you know, the metal comes into fruition. The hardcore punk rock, you know, comes to play.

You get your first Misfits tape that somebody leaves behind. I already was a big fan of the Ramones at that time, but nobody seemed to care that I was listening to something like that because it was a little more accessible, even though it was different.

But you just start, you know, you're going to school wearing like a Metallica shirt one day, you know, and some other metal bands like Slayer and stuff like that when everybody else is trying to wear Bugle Boy and, you know.

whatever the fuck they dressed like back then i don't even remember or care and you knew you didn't fit in you knew you weren't gonna be like everybody else so you start identifying with these outsider type characters and films and

if they're okay with being this way what's wrong with me being that way and I think a lot of cases I may have strived a little too much to be like that because I was so outside of it already so it was like let's just push even further

And yeah, if I probably met me back then, I probably would slap myself around a little bit and be like, look, they aren't all assholes. Give some of them a chance, you know, because in retrospect, there were a lot of good people that I did grow up around. It was just.

I, you know, it was like, you were born here. You like it here. Well, fuck you. You know, there's like, you know, I still have like three friends to this day that I grew up with as kids that we all were the same where we're like, wait.

fuck this place you know let's just get out of here that was our main mission and all three of us made it out you know there you go yeah so like having somebody like Mark who's dragged from

you know where he was where he did have friends where he did fit in and where he did feel normal to this relatively suburbanite wasteland of arizona in the middle of nowhere where it's like this shake and bake community it almost feels like

you know that just kind of cropped up and every house in his neighborhood looks the same his freaking school looks like every other school you're ever going to see in a suburban area and he's miserable he doesn't like any of it

He can't identify with any of the people. All the girls are different, so he can't even talk to them, you know, and he's just frustrated. He's alone and he doesn't fit in. And again, he's not a square peg in a round hole.

Mark's a burning bright flame with nothing but fog around him, and he's about to burn out and suffocate because he's got nothing to fuel that fire. And that's why he is the way he is.

that's i think why at the time i identified with him so much if i really just going to be open and honest about it please so yeah no i mean and looking at it now watching it as an adult and seeing like

how unfocused he is with his rage and how he's just lashing out at everyone and everything and even in his rants he's talking about how the school system has sold him out and his parents sold him out by coming here and he's sold out by not fighting it you know and everything is just

You know, everything is just selling out and we're all just giving in. We're rolling over. We're just letting it be. But he doesn't really kind of focus in on what is OK with his life and what he can do. You know, like he has this radio show.

he doesn't even realize all the people that are writing into him and admire him and and love what he's doing you know like he doesn't take time to look at that and then be like if he would just focus just at one point

You know, by the time he does it, I realized why they do it this way in the story where when he does finally focus and actually try and turn what he's doing to more of an activism thing instead of.

lying back and bitching it's too late you know because he's it's already over with for him but like if he actually would have realized sooner that all these people are writing in all these people want to hear what he has to say

you know like why wasn't he encouraging them like hey let's let's all start doing this you know like this is how you do this this is how you set up your own radio show my little guy just got home

Oh, he sounds really excited. Do we need to pause? Just for a second.

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Just what exactly are the great historical accomplishments of your race that make you proud to be white? Capitalism? Slavery? Genocide? Sitcoms? This is your fucking white history, my friend. So why don't we start making a history worth being about? I'm gonna start fighting the real fucking enemy.

This one's for the master race.

Okay, you still there? Yeah, and I just started rolling again too, so we're ready to go. All I did was pause it, so they'll just be a...

You'll hear your kid yelling on my side if you need it. And then you'll hear me say, should I pause it? And then we're back in. Oh, awesome, dude. Thanks. Not a big deal. It happens.

Yeah, he's talking a lot more now, so... He likes to say hi to everything. But...

So, yeah, Mark is what his dad said. I used to fight against the system. Now I am the system. Right. That's one of the things that he goes for or that Mark pulls out and says.

What I was saying earlier is I think if Mark would just actually use that voice and actually, you know, what he really wants to do is, you know, unite people and do something about it. But the way that he unites them and he does these.

He does these long soliloquy speeches where he's like, they think you're unstable, make them think you're crazy. You know, burn your stuff in the microwave. Nuke them. Yeah, nuke your problems. Stab your people.

stab your teachers with your plastic forks rise up and fight and like he actually gets these people to action but it's at this unfocused sort of rioting rage where if he would instead have been like look

This is how you set up a broadcast studio that you can do yourself. This is how I did it. This is how you can do it. Here's some information. Read this book. Read that book.

you know you can't afford to be able to do that absolutely fine this is how you publish a zine you know this is how you sneak into the room in the fucking library of school and and xerox your fucking zine and do this stuff like

They can't stop you. They can't keep you from doing this. Instead of rise up and burn the whole country down because you're unhappy as a teenager.

Why not rise up and burn it down and then rebuild it in the image of the way that you want it? That's the biggest problem I have watching this now as an adult. Because when you're a kid, you're automatically like, yeah, fucking burn it all. Right.

There is no future. Yeah, right, right. And that punk rock mindset is still very much a part of me. But at some point in time...

you can't just burn everything and then walk away. As nihilistic as you want to be, if you want to get a meal the next day, if you want to keep breathing, if you want to be able to eat, you got to have a place to live, a place to cook your food, and a place to take a shit.

You know? And if you burn it all, you're not going to have any of those things. Yeah, I don't know if you've seen the documentary The Other F Word.

Doesn't ring a bell, so I'm going to say no. It's about punk rock dads. I mean, there's Tony Hawk, Dwayne Peters, Fat Mike from No Effects, Pennywise, and some other people.

But I forget which one of them said it. It's yeah, it's fuck it all. I hope I die before I get old. And then I got old. Right. What do I do now? Yeah. Well.

At the time, like when I was, I don't know, 13, 14 in this movie was like this biggest influence in my life, you know, and made me want to figure out how to do my own radio broadcasting and pirate radio or whatever.

I also was kind of under the mindset of, well, I'm going to die before I'm 20 anyway. I'm bound to be dead before I'm 20 anyway. There's no way I'm going to survive living here that long.

But I got out and I lived. And then by the time I hit 20, I had this existential crisis where I literally was like, fuck, what do I do now? Everybody gets that point where...

You can be so nihilistic until you actually have to fend for yourself and then you make it past your point of expiration date that you thought you weren't going to make it to. And everybody has it whether they want to admit it or not.

And once you get there and you realize, oh shit, I'm an adult now, I think it has a lot to do with like, as soon as you have to pay your own rent, you have to come up with your own bills.

As soon as you've got that responsibility looming over your head, you know, and parenthood is a big one that usually wakes you up if you're not a complete fuckhead that you have responsibilities and all of that.

Then that rage that you had, it gets channeled into a different direction where it's like, instead of saying there's no future, it's like, well, fuck that. I want a future for this. You know, whether it's your kid or your own life or whatever.

And that kind of rage, I think, is significantly more powerful than this just complete nihilistic burn it all down to the ground. And I think that's the biggest issue I have with Marcus. He didn't he didn't look to rebuild because it is an experience in his age.

You know, I'm hoping I always wished they could do like a what is Mark doing now with all of that? You know, like where where are they now? Like a VH1 behind the scenes of what is Mark doing now? You know, after his.

Really hefty fine from the FCC and possible jail time if he gets a wrongful death suit going on for that kid that he didn't talk out of suicide. I didn't know that the FCC traveled around in limousines, but...

They probably do now. The head of the FCC probably would have, and they definitely probably do now because they're all about, you know, consolidating the power, not protecting free speech.

You got to punch in that bit where he says hi to the FCC guy here and talks shit to him. And then the guy says something about that's the problem with free speech or whatever. That's just so perfect. That's the problem with free speech.

I think he says it twice. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, that's the beautiful thing about free speech. It's not protecting the things you want to hear and nobody ever gets that. It's there to protect.

people who say the things you don't want them to hear. As much as I may hate these white nationalist fuckholes, they can say whatever the fuck they want because there is free speech.

But they also have to realize that their speech is going to be bringing repercussions upon their life. Maybe not under this current presidency, but at some point they're going to push it too far. They're going to say the wrong thing. They're going to be standing in the right place.

Some guy in a black hoodie is going to punch him. It's going to happen, you know, or worse. It's an eventuality. Just like me. I mean, I run my mouth off all the fucking time on the Internet, and I'm sure eventually.

Somebody's going to recognize my voice out on the street and be like, that's that guy that didn't like that movie that I love. And bam, I'm getting sucked in the face for that. You know, it could happen. You know, crazier shit does happen.

It's true. What's what's what's a movie that you hate that a lot of people like? Oh, no, I'm not going that route. No, this is not confession time. Anything Quentin Tarantino.

Yeah, it's hard to say, really. Just the other week, we were talking about the entity on the air, and I talked about how I hate Poltergeist, but everybody else seems to love it.

It's too sweet, it's too saccharine, and it's too Steven Spielberg for me. I don't dig it. I really don't like it at all. The last time I was forced to watch it, I was a fucking child freaking out. I hate this movie.

But everybody that was watching it with me was like, how can you hate this movie? And when I explain it to them, they're like, well, yeah, it is all of that, but I still love it. I'm like, because you saw it when you were a kid.

You know, by the time I saw this movie, I had already seen a bunch of other horror movies that were significantly better to me. You know, just I don't like it. Someday somebody's going to be like, you don't like that movie? Boom. Poltergeist punch.

Yeah, it depends on when they come to your life. Sometimes nostalgia can be a powerful drug. Yeah, when you start looking back in things...

You know, nostalgia can be a real bitch. I think it used to be called Forgotten Flicks, but it's morphed into another show called Retro Movie Geek.

And they have a term that they coined on Forgotten Flicks when that show was out that was called Cinematic Nostalgia Disorder, which so perfectly sums that up. Where you're...

Your nostalgia actually makes the things that you saw seem better than they were, you know, because you see it at a different age when you're not as discerning as what you are when you watch it as an adult. And sometimes that applies. And then sometimes you see things differently.

Case in point, the movie we're talking tonight, a grown up version of me looks at Mark extremely differently than a 13 or 14 year old version of me. But the thing is, is I just see potential and I think he just needed like a mentor. He just needed somebody that.

He would respect the opinion of and listen to that could have shaped what he does and helped him use that voice that he created because he does have it like he has. I mean, I think that's really why people really why people start going after him.

is because they see this sway that he starts to have over the kids. And it's the old adage of, you know, the teenagers were rising up and taking over the society and taking the power away from the parents because they've got the numbers, you know.

It's the same thing with our citizens in this country. Yeah, the military may have the weaponry, but we've got numbers. If all of us actually revolted, we could actually take everything back.

You know, that whole right to bear arms that it used to be where it was muskets and everything and you had a chance to fight.

Sure, we would lose a whole lot of people, but I mean, that's why the Arab Spring worked in Egypt so well, because it was everybody revolting, you know? Yeah, not just half.

Yeah, it's all it takes. You know, that's really literally all it takes. If all of the citizens unite, a government has no power over them. And all it takes is the right kind of voices pointing the right kind of anger in the right direction. And you can make that happen.

And that's why we have things like the FCC. That's why they want to put a harness on the net and get rid of net neutrality. They want to control the way information flows to people.

Because if people end up seeing things around them in the right perspective and the right voice, I mean, all it takes is one person. It doesn't have to be anybody all that special. But all it takes is the right person at the right time.

with the right megaphone or microphone just standing up and saying, fuck this. And then someone turns around and goes, yeah, fuck this.

And then the next person and then the next person. And it just becomes this domino effect where all of us realize, no, fuck this. And that's it. I mean.

You see it in the movie so much. All of the kids are at their wits end. They're tired of the situation that they find themselves in where the principal is...

literally rigging the system so that they can get all of this money in and getting rid of students that don't meet the criteria to make them look like this amazing school that they're not everything is this whole entire smokescreen show

And once the kids all realize it and Mark brings it up saying, fuck this, and points it out and starts going after the guidance counselors, using his inside information that he has and leaking that out, looking at you White House staffers keep this going.

All it takes is that. It takes the right person finding the right information, pointing out the right fucked up thing, saying this must end now, and enough people getting behind it.

I mean, it's so much easier to get that information out there now, which is why they want to choke the Internet, because all it takes is retweets, you know, retweeting an article enough times you get it trending enough. People get reading it and you sway popular opinion.

And that's the power of it all. I'm under no delusions that me trolling Trump on Twitter is going to change anything. But if it changes enough people's minds to where they start in a ripple effect, I mean, all I have to do.

is get one rock into a pond and hopefully get enough other people throwing rocks in the pond before the ripples start causing tidal waves, you know? That's all you gotta do. It's the right angle. Right.

i mean i i'm under no delusions that my stupid little show is going to change the world i'm under no delusions for that but you know what they come for the movie reviews and they might hear a certain swayed opinion that we have during the news

Where they're like, you're right, man. What's wrong with this transgendered person using the bathroom with which they closely identify right now? You know, I didn't think of it that way.

But you know what? That weirdo court guy who advocates corpse fucking says so. So maybe I should think differently. You know, like if I can do that, like if I can sway one opinion in the right direction where and I don't.

I mean, Jesus, man, I don't want much out of life. I just want people to stop being assholes to each other for no reason. You know, like things that we can't control, how we're born.

The shape of our heads, you know, the pigment of our skin, the gender that we feel most comfortable in, even though we may not have been born that way. You know, like these are all things that like we really I mean, it's it's a curb that is.

less than like six inches high and yet people cannot step over it i don't understand that if you know me talking dick and fart jokes for two hours and then reading a news story about somebody who

is a douchebag to somebody for being transgender and then freaking out about it opens up one mind then the two hours of the dick and fart jokes that I was having fun and you know slaving over editing makes it worthwhile

That's why I love your show, man. That's why I love this idea. Because if they come to listen about the movie or their favorite podcast or wax on about a certain belief or opinion, and it gets them thinking about...

I mean, even if I don't change their position, because not everybody has to think like me. If they did, Jesus, how fucked up would this world be? But like, like if you just actually.

Just stop and think about what you're about to do before you talk shit to somebody just because they're a different shade of skin tone than you. Or for fuck's sakes, like, you know, if I can restrain myself from verbally accosting some...

kid for wearing a misfit shirt that very clearly shouldn't be listening you know that very clearly doesn't listen to the misfits they just bought it because it was at the local hot topic and they thought it looked cool like if i can restrain that anger

You know, and that's justifiable in my mind. God damn it. No, we can all hold our tongue a little bit.

Right. Right. If I could, I'm just giving an example, you know, like, like some, some kid walking down the street that has a misfit shirt. And I ask him, you know, Oh, what's your favorite song? This is a band. Okay. All right. I like skulls.

Well, that's how you get in the band when you get to sing, apparently, is you just wear a Misfits shirt while you're out skateboarding and you get to be a singer. Michael Graves. But, you know, you get what I'm saying. Like, if for whatever reason, you know, I don't know, if I can if I cannot.

If I can live across the street from a bunch of religious zealot people who are dropping by my house, knocking around my door at 10 a.m.

on a saturday when i might be hung over asking me to you know come to them with church or whatever because they're afraid for my immortal soul if i can be respectful to them

and say get off my property before i blow your brains out no i'm kidding uh if i if i can be respectful to them and say no thank you sir i do not believe what you believe and i would not like to participate in that

without being a dick. If I can muster myself to be enough of a human being for that, as angry as I am about religion, you can keep your fucking mouth shut if you don't like the way a particular person looks because of their pigment of the skin. You can do that.

It's real easy. You put your tongue between a set of teeth and you bite down and you hold it there until you're away from that person. Give it a try, people. It's easy. You know, it's it's just it's so I don't understand it, man. Like.

I don't get it. That's all I want. But if I can get people to open their minds about that kind of stuff, then it's so worth it. And that's what this show needs to do. We need to get people to realize what they're saying and what they're thinking and how they're treating each other.

Before they fucking do it. That's it. That's that's I mean, that's the core of this film really is trying to sway opinion in using using filthy talk to do it. And I think that's.

That's why Cort Psyops was born. Right there. In the darkest times, I feel like some of the crudest comedians speak the deepest truths. You know, I mean, we've got Lenny Bruce.

George Carlin, Bill Hicks. What I wouldn't give to have all three of them still around right now to be fighting all of this because nobody else really seems to be doing the job. Them and Hunter Thompson.

Man, he's probably really glad he checked out early. I don't believe in an afterlife, but if he is out there anywhere and he could see what's happening now, his book Kingdom of Fear came true. He was right.

I mean, that's that's the lasting impression that I get from him is he was right. He saw it coming and he checked out before it happened because football season was over. You know, that was in his suicide note. That's why I said it. Football season is over. He kept repeating that.

you know like it's been a while since i've read it yeah but that's that i mean that stuck with me more than anything else it's like the thing i have to look forward to is gone and i'm not gonna make it till the next time around like that's the most poignant

thing that it makes sense i mean he went out on his own terms i don't agree with it it's not for me i couldn't fucking do it but i just you know i i have to respect the the

the nerve it took to just be like yeah i'm done you know and you kind of felt it coming anyway i mean if anybody out there read kingdom of fear you you saw it it was there that

that growing discontent with himself and the world around him. And instead of for me, you know, like that growing discontent that I have for the world around me and some of the things that I'm allowing happening here, you know, in myself.

i i i'm not gonna check out myself you know like like i'm not pointing the gun inward you know what i mean yeah i'm pointing it at the thing that i need to destroy emotionally speaking like that

that rage turned inward as depression, and that's what's happening with Mark. And I think that's why when he gets the microphone in his hand, that rage doesn't point inward anymore. It's just like a shotgun blast across the world.

But he needed to focus it. He needed to be more of a sniper with it. I keep coming back to that, but that's what it feels like, you know? It needed to be a little bit more of the, this machine kills fascists and a little less.

burn it all down i'm gonna chalk it up to his inexperience as a kid because it took me jesus like i said like another 20 years before you know maybe 24 years before i realized like

You know, I can keep burning all of these churches down, but that's not going to do any good because they're just going to keep rebuilding them. Why don't I try and massage the belief structure a little bit and point out the hypocrisy?

And again, I'm under no delusion that every meme I post on Facebook that points out hypocrisy in religion or like a newspaper article that points out something else about the government that's all fucked up or anything.

I'm under no delusions that people are or aren't reading them or that I am going to sway anybody's mind. But, you know, there's some times where I engage in debate. And as long as it stays civil, you know, I feel like.

I understand either their perspective a little bit better or they understand mine. And maybe I changed their mind, but maybe they changed mine for the better. You know, you got to be open for both ways. Yes. It's all a battle for perspective.

I feel like this last presidential cycle was a little different. Yeah, to put it mildly. There was a lot of... shouting down on multiple from multiple angles pretty much everybody had their minds made up a couple weeks in i would say or you know maybe a few months

Well, some of us just settled for the candidate that wasn't the misogynistic racist pig. Yeah, which which became a lot a lot of stance was, OK, whoever is against that guy. There it is.

Because it seemed like the only option that you had. And there seems to be a little, now that the dust of the nuclear fallout is settling, a little bit more discourse is coming out.

And not, I mean, there's extremes on the fringe of all the angles, again. To simplify it, I guess I would say there's fringes on both sides.

Yeah, the people sitting in the middle are actually starting to talk. And I think that there seems to be a lot more people that were like, well, I chose the candidate that I chose for this reason.

The people that may have voted Trump and got him in are now starting to see some other policies that they definitely don't agree with. They're starting to see him behaving in a way that they ignored or didn't pay enough attention to before they voted on it and just went with talking points they may have seen.

on cnn or nbc or fox news or whatever the hell that they watch and they went for it and they just believed it and they thought it was a good choice

You know, the people that are in the middle on that that are moderate on the right are starting to see things from a different perspective than they've had. And if you engage those folks with the right kind of.

dialogue where you're like, hey, what about this? And what about that? Are you in support of this? I mean, you know, you kind of know where people stand. I mean, I don't think anybody other than the actual alt-right and the white nationalists

are okay with the Steve Bannon stuff. I don't think all those people are okay with like Gorka from Breitbart's stance on things.

At least I hope not. If you're a moderate Republican type person and you're looking at the policies that they're going and they don't make you wince and you're picking party over your entire nation, then you're not really an American.

because it goes against the fundamentals of what this country is. I mean, it's not give us your tired, your poor, your weak, and we'll send them right back just to see them put to death, like to quote the Ted Kennedys. It's not that.

You know, that's not what we're here for, dude. You know, we're supposed to be in this together. You know, we're supposed to be taking care of each other. And does that make me a commie? I don't think so, because, I mean, that's part of our policy. It's, you know.

One out of many is how it works. We're supposed to be a nation of individuals that work together and make it a better world and country.

I don't see the people in the White House doing that right now whenever they're excluding people based on a religion they happen to be born in for a specific country that they happen to be stuck in that they can't escape.

You know, like that seems really un-American to me. And I would hope that some of the people that are in the middle are looking at that going, well, yeah, that's fucked. Maybe this isn't who I thought they were, you know.

I would hope that, and I would hope that we could get them to look in that direction a little bit more. I can deal with the gross profiteering if I have to, because that's all of them.

You don't become a politician if you aren't corrupt in that manner where you're milking the country for all the money that you can. Why spend millions of dollars for a job that makes hundreds of thousands?

Right, right. They're obviously doing it because they can get that back and more through their corruption. And yeah, we need to remove powers from...

the president's office we need to remove powers from the congress and we definitely need to get that back to the people but the way that they're going about it whenever they say you know this country is yours we're going to give it back to the people then why are you

demolishing everything that benefits the people like the Department of Education. Why is your whole entire plan to remove what you refer to as the administrative state which takes care of the people? You're not giving anything back to anybody.

It kind of illustrates who they consider to be people.

Yeah, and like corporations, you know. Dick Cheney said it best. Corporations are people, my friend. Or was it Rumsfeld that said that? I can't remember who. One of the Bush people. They all probably said it at one point. Yeah, it's getting really dark out there, and we need...

We need more people to stand up and say, the sun's not coming up anymore. Fuck this. You know, and more people need to listen to the people saying that, you know, to point it.

point us back in the right direction i don't think anybody out there really believes that the department of education was so horrible that we shouldn't have our kids being taught you know there shouldn't there shouldn't be a nationwide standard

Granted, I'm not going to say that the nationwide standard was perfect because it was definitely too low. We're really far behind in education. But again, you don't burn it all down to the ground and then not rebuild it just because it's not working. That seems to be the stance.

That does seem to be, and I think that was the stated game plan coming back to the CPAC performance by President Bannon when he said that all our jokes are true.

Every person was put in charge of the office to tear down the office. So, you know, we have Jeff Sessions, who's in charge of civil rights.

To remove it. Betsy DeVos, who's in charge of education. To remove it. Like, do they know that? Do they know they're specifically put into place to ruin it? And how do they feel about that?

like do they realize that they have to realize that and they have to be okay with it i mean they can't not be complacent in realizing that they were specifically put at their jobs because they're going to be the worst they possibly could be at it

They have to know, and they have to be complicit at that. That's why they bought their way into it, because it gives them this modicum of power, and it gives them a term that gets attached to their name, and that's all they want. But are they that clueless that...

They don't know that that's why they're there, especially after that CPAC thing. Like, did they not know that? I mean, you know, like he should know.

He literally said it. Yes, we put these idiots in charge because they will destroy it. I mean, he refers to it a lot more eloquently where he says deconstructing the administrative state.

Which page of Lennon's book did you dog-ear that from to try and sound smarter than you did, you bloated piece of shit? Fucking twat waffle windbag. God, he is a big piece of shit.

I think we're being offensive to big pieces of shit by referring to him as a big piece of shit. And on behalf of all those big pieces of shit out there we may have offended, I apologize. We just can't think of anything worse than you to describe him as. Yeah.

I mean, I guess we could compare them all to each other, but that... Like, he's such a Trump. He's like a dumpster filled with rotten diapers that's on fire.

I don't know how much more awful you could make this man. Fuck that guy. And yeah, in Pump Up the Volume, we've got a...

That angry, orange-haired principal that hates everybody that doesn't fit into her narrative of the world's on fire, but everything's okay because she's got...

She cooked the books on the test scores.

oh yeah that just screams the current administration the way that this lady is where i mean even making numbers get cooked in books so it looks like the things are worse now than what they are so that if you do make it worse it looks better in the long run but if you do

make it better it looks even better you know with the economy they're already doing that she she represents like okay so uh she's pretty much you know president bannon and then uh her little

guy that's the vice principal is actually trump running around you know acting hard yeah yeah acting hard and talking trash and being like would he refer to trump as he was a blunt instrument they hit things with and he doesn't realize that right yeah

Can't believe his bruised ego got over that. I'm pretty sure that Bannon has more stuff on Trump than even Russia does. And that's why he's still in power, because he's talked down about that man on several different occasions. And usually you don't get away.

with that with that dude his ego is way too fragile for that so it has he's got to have something you know now i sound like a conspiracy theory nut but we're just grasping at straws of logic

And I'm not sure how well that's going to work over the next few years. You might have to delve into the absurd. Well, you can't apply logic to this current administration.

Just like when you actually look at, what's her name, Ellen Green, the teacher who finally has had enough and then she gets fired and then she just basically grabs the records and proves what's been happening the whole time being a whistleblower.

We need more whistleblowers. People get out there. Blow those whistles. Yes. Like, like she brings it out. She does it in front of the Mark's dad who's in charge of everything and exposes this fraud for who she is.

And then everything falls into place. Now, granted, this was a person acting on her own. She wasn't actually influenced by Mark to do it. It's just that he exposed what it was that was fucked up. It's like...

you know i keep equating it to punk rock because that's something that you and i both gravitated towards so much in life uh but i mean all it takes is somebody like a jello biafra writing about the current political climate

bitching and moaning about it in a song during you know during the time that the dead Kennedys were running and even now to this day with the spoken word stuff but all he has to do is start pointing out all these things that are wrong

And all it takes is the right person to hear it that has the ability to get to the proof. It's an indirect way to where Mark actually had something happen just through his chaos that he created.

But if he were actually speaking directly to the teachers that may be hearing him because of like, OK, they have the big parent teacher conference and then he starts talking and he goes on his rants and his raves.

Obviously, he knew that teachers were going to be listening. Well, why didn't he talk directly to them and tell them to start investigating and looking? I'm going to chalk it up to inexperience and just being a kid again. Yeah, you don't think that far ahead.

No, not at all. He's more concerned about making masturbation jokes and humping a dress that came out of them.

Yeah, he humps his mom's dress. I wrote that down and I was just like, that's kind of weird. He's humping his mom's dress and everybody's running around with a seven foot tall.

I would presume paper mache. Right. Somebody, somebody built that. Some kid built that. I'm hoping it's paper mache. Um, I think that, uh, Ken, um, pointed out on one of our posts when we were talking about that we were doing this, that, uh,

He thought it was like an inflatable dick that they purchased somewhere. And it looked like papier-mâché or sculpting or something like that. But someone somewhere built...

and or purchased a seven foot inflatable penis or build it out of paper mache and are running it around the school as if it's a mascot. As you would do. What better way to fight the power than with a giant phallus, I suppose.

Talk hard. Well, yeah, you're using foul language to influence people. That's the whole plan. See, luckily I don't have a U to take these sound bites. Well, I guess you're recording, but...

You know, it's running around saying, I've got the biggest dick around. Pay attention to me.

Oh, I could totally use that against you. But you're not on my show. I have some morals. I don't pull it out of other people's shows. That's not how I roll.

Well, obviously, that'll come up a lot in conversation with me.

Well, the missus must be very happy then, I would assume. That's why she lets me do all my podcasts. Ah, yes, you're a kept man. Is that what you're saying? Yes, sir.

I'm kept, but I'm kept well. Oh, if only I could be a house boy, dude, that'd be awesome. You know, I had the 20 some odd years of playing in a punk band, which.

That's great, great job training. And then my. Yeah, that's always going to give you a career doing nothing. And then I went and got just to make sure that I got a career doing nothing.

I got an English literature and creative writing degree. I laid down my coat on a cold winter night for a lady in a skirt.

And she married me later. So manners help every once in a while. Especially at a punk show. Don't be a dick. You know, it pays off. Don't be a dick.

Talk hard and believe it. Believe in romance because it can fucking happen. It can. It totally can. You're a happy man. Yeah. Yeah. 18 years, actually.

By the time this goes out, it'll be passed. But we marked two anniversaries because we got married much later in life, just because it wasn't really something we felt was necessary until it came up.

But it'll be 18 years that we've been together by the time this has been released. Wow. Yeah. So 18 years and all of them happy, whether she believes it or not. No, no.

I mean, I wouldn't trade my life with her for the world. We've officially been together half of our lives as of this year, pretty much. That is a wonderful thing. Yeah, almost over half, actually, now that I think about it. So, I mean...

yeah romance does happen and uh you you can actually you know monogamy can be something too you know it's not some kind of weird myth it may not be for everybody i'm not saying everybody has to live this way but

It is possible. It just takes a little bit of work and a whole lot of understanding. Yeah. You just got to find your own eat me, beat me lady.

Oh, yeah. I don't think my wife would prefer to be referred to like that. You've just got to find your own queen. There you go. Yeah. I'll edit that first part out.

no it's fine it's fine i'm just fucking she doesn't listen she doesn't listen she might listen because you're on but uh well that might actually be a good reason not to listen i can hear that fucking guy talk all

The time. Yeah, well, this may not be much of a shock from people that have heard me, you know, kind of admit a whole bunch of stuff about myself I didn't think I was going to, but...

You know, you get a mic in front of me and I'm like this most dangerous being on the face of this earth. You take the mic away from me and I'm a lot more shy and introverted and awkward in front of people. It's that shield, man.

There's that. Yep. Hard Harry goes away.

yeah that sounded weird too i i've been told that well not by a lot of people but my wife says that i have an uncanny ability to make anything sound kind of dirty and i try i try so vehemently to make that happen where everything i say is innuendo or

can be taken as innuendo and you know stick it in your endo yeah i mean i mean that's like that's the whole crux of my show is matt and i constantly trying to say something to break the other one up and mess them up and

And be like, dude, that's wrong. That's foul. That's our whole purpose. A safe place to push buttons and experiment in the PsyOps lab. I think I might steal that. Please do.

Please do. You've given me a lot to steal over the short time we've known each other. Aw, you're too kind. Did you have anything in your notes that I've kind of been talking over top of you, so maybe I should just shut up and let you...

bring out some points that you want to make about this. Yeah. I mean, I definitely enjoy the free form conversation and I think it's going well.

The current state of podcasting, it's if they don't like it within a certain amount of time, they just turn it off and might come back later and give you another chance or might not. And if they do like it, they never tell you or they'll give you some feedback on Facebook about it.

or you know twitter or whatever like the way it used to be where you'll get emails hate mails voicemails whether it's love or hate drunk dialing anything like that it's kind of gone and i think social media has kind of taken that over where you get more direct feedback

You know, hopefully you're getting some of that in the group, but as your show grows, you get more and more of it. I mean, we're just coming up on two years for ours and it's been amazing. Like it's grown so exponentially that I'm just, I'm blown away.

I'm floored and I'm flattered every time anybody makes a meme or does anything like that. You make some stupid joke or you say some stupid thing off the top of your head.

and then you know somebody's requesting you make it a needle drop so they can hear it every week because it made them laugh or you know like you make a meme out of the you personally made the meme out of this is not the sickness with which i am down

you know and it's like this offhand thing that i just said and it becomes this thing you know where people are like yeah i like that you know and it's it's just so flattering you're like wow golly that's uh

That's just great, guys. Thank you. You're just amazed that people could hang on a word or a phrase that you say and like it so much when it's just so offhand and just weird.

And it's so flattering, and it makes your ego so huge. Bigly huge. Bigly huge. I'm glad you liked that this is not the sickness with which I am down, because I spent a couple minutes...

Somebody said data entry, and I had some really bad photoshops of data from Star Trek popping up in doors or windows. I didn't think anybody would get it.

Because it was really not focused on. Well, if you put at the top of it, did someone say data entry? The pun alone makes it worthwhile, you know?

Well, and the thing that's really impressive, too, is the stuff that they actually do where his you know, he starts he has these moments where he'll have this rant or this rave and they'll start latching onto it.

catchphrase or what have you and then you know that stuff ends up becoming this you know this this thing where he says something like talk hard or so be it

And this catchphrase becomes this thing that they all latch onto and they all feel. And so they all go for it. It's just this thing that everybody latches onto.

I'm sure that when he keeps saying the so be it over and over again, I'm pretty sure he doesn't think that, you know, everybody's going to latch onto it and that's going to be the thing that everybody, it becomes a part of it, you know, or a part of this big thing.

he doesn't he doesn't intend it to be that way or you know any of the other phrases they make signs out of or even the fact that he's talking about hard-ons all the time so it becomes the symbol of their rebellion to have the giant paper mache one or whatever you know

Like, I'm positive that he didn't think that that influence was going to happen. You know, like, I don't I don't I don't think he had any inclination that this was going to take place at all. You know, I think it just ended up being this thing. And that's you can't.

people try to manufacture that kind of stuff with their branding and all of those kind of maneuvering and try to get people to

you know like create a cult film just by making something kitschy and cheesy and putting a bunch of sharks in a tornado and it works on some people but for others for others they're like no that's just a stupid idea and people are celebrating the fact that it's ridiculous and

you know that's that's really not that cool you know what i mean like you can't you can't manufacture cult status and make it be authentic you can't manufacture um something that's going to catch on with people and resonate with people

just because you're trying because i can't think of any of the pop punk bands that came up in the wave of nirvana's route that actually changed people's perspectives and changed their lives they were just a distraction whereas somebody would listen to

the right phrase that one like one black flag song you know spray paint the walls or whatever has a lot more effect and a lot more resonation and keeps going with people than a million punk bands you know that were like

in the wave of Green Day and Nirvana that no one really cares too much about nowadays. If you're trying to change the way people think, you can't force it. You can't just take this...

subculture or this underground thing and then just manufacture it to be what you want it to be for yourself you can't you can't force it you can't make it happen you just be yourself And if who you are resonates with people, people catch on and you're there, you know, like how many people actually.

have had their lives changed by the album Dookie. Has that happened? I mean, I'm not saying they're bad musicians, and I'm not saying that they can't have a voice. They got it much later, but...

Like the album Dookie, I can't remember anybody that was like, you know that song Longview? Man, it changed my life. It made me get up and fight, you know?

you know like Nirvana's Nevermind I can't think of a single person who did anything other than like start dying their hair purple because of that album like I don't think that changed anything I don't think that that perspective of anything and it's it's the

it's co-opting this movement and this belief and turning it into product and you know then the alternative way of looking at things ends up being this thing where you know it's it's a lifestyle

It's a haircut. You know, it's doing Liberty Spikes and automatically you're so against the system. But you took all that time to do the Liberty Spikes, dude. What else are you going to do?

I'm going to blow your fucking mind. Yeah, we're taking up a collection. Oh, awesome. What are you donating to? Oh, we're getting a keg after this show. What?

You know, and then like the bands that a lot of the bands, man, I won't I won't mention the specific ones by name because I've been lashing out at enough stuff tonight. But like there was a huge wave of these political punk bands, I remember in the underground scene and above.

Where, I mean, and this happened so much in like the late 90s, early 20 odds that every show that I went to where it's like everybody turns into crass all of a sudden when they're on stage and they talk.

And they talk and the feedback comes and they preach at you for an hour. You get like three songs that are two minutes apiece. And then these sermons about how they're going to change the world. But the minute they hit off stage.

And then you want to actually talk to them about how they're going to do it. They don't have the time for you. They got to go get their keg. You know what I mean? Like that's why that pseudo movement died. Because it's not so much they weren't practicing what they were preaching.

But they were preaching things they refused to practice. And they also were not really actually involved. They were just doing it because it was the hip thing to do. And they thought that this rebellion thing could be resold and get them somewhere.

You know, like that's that's my biggest issue with this kind of stuff and with the youth, because there's a lot of kids that even in the movie that are taking what Harry's doing and they're turning it into.

Well, I'm going to hang up this sign here. And that's, you know, like the perfect example is the kid who gets kicked out because of how he dresses. He's not getting the message Harry's putting out there. I mean, he is rebelling, but he's just rebelling for the sake of rebelling the entire time.

The girl Paige takes it in a completely wrong direction where she literally nukes all of her stuff, destroys her kitchen, destroys her perfect, beautiful face.

And when you're a kid, you think, yes, yeah, subplant all of those expectations. Fuck yeah. But when you're an adult, you're like, you motherfucker, your parents paid for that shit. And you're burning down your kitchen. No, I mean, you still see like, you know, she's.

obviously troubled and she's lashing out and she's begging for help but at the same time like she doesn't get the message right either in my opinion because what she could have done is used her status as that that perfect kid and

just showed up and they would have let her speak if she didn't blow up her kitchen the night before and maybe her message would have been heard and she could have swayed some more minds you know but they're kids they don't they don't think that way it's a disorganized front

Right. And that's my biggest issue with a lot of this stuff and a lot of these, like, I want to call it alternative movements or opposition parties or these political stances.

Where you can get up, you can say fuck you or fuck this or fuck that, but then not offer any alternatives or a different stance or a way of looking at it that's an alternative.

You know, like if you're going to say, fuck you, you racist pig. Why not say, fuck you, you racist pig. This person is a human being. They just have a different skin tone than you. You are genetically the same.

as this person you have have more in common with this person genetically than you do your own flesh and blood look at this this is a fact this is how it works

You know what I mean? This person doesn't have the same religion as you because they were born in this area. That doesn't make them different. That makes them born in a different region. You know, like we got to stop with.

I mean, I'm guilty of it, too, man. I say fuck off and fuck you and fuck this and fuck that and go stomping off and want to smash a brick wall. And I need to bring it back myself and be like, OK, this is wrong and here is why.

you know and i'm trying to take that approach more in life and i'm trying to get other people to see that too that we need to have civil discourse because once you take a hard stance of well fuck them you know they don't deserve this because

you you've lost the argument you've lost validity you've lost the point you know because it's a deconstructive criticism

Right. It doesn't go anywhere. It just stops dead. And once our discourse dies, once civil discourse dies, our civilization dies, too. And Harry was so close. And that's the thing that frustrated me.

the most with this film we were all so close in this time frame and it just got brought into making money and and turned into another wave of just uh manufactured corporate

money machine stuff and you know with dgc and it's not you know let's call it alternative it's the same thing when punk became new wave you know because you know you can't have punk

but we can have new wave and you can be new wave and then we'll repackage it and everything will be okay. You know, put a skinny tie on it and then we can sell it for money and everyone will love my Sharona.

It makes it less offensive. We'll just talk about sex and drugs and rock and roll.

everybody come on let's get together and have a good time and then no one will have to worry about the trickle-down economics the people's houses being taken from them because their wages aren't being paid away a living wage you know and

We saw it in the 80s as kids. We just didn't realize that was happening. We saw the repercussions of that when we were trying to come out of it in the 90s, but didn't quite make it. And now it's back around again. And if we don't learn from the stuff that Mark...

I lost you for a minute there right after you said, if we don't learn from it. Oh, I rambled off anyway. It's fine. Oh, Skype happened.

Yeah, that's the problem with recording on Skype. It's always a bitch, dude. I'm always worried when we record this that I'm going too off in my own little world of my rants and my raves. But, you know, if I'm going stream of conscious on this one.

I mean, and maybe you should throw this at the beginning, but if I'm going to stream of conscious on this one, it's very fitting because at least that's how Harry talks and thinks too and doesn't backtrack from there. He just spews it out and deals with it.

Let the chips fall where they may, I think is another thing that he said. Yeah, I'm hoping it comes off more like a more organized thought process of a rant from Henry Rollins than say a mad crazy about to play with my own poop.

rant like gg allen it sounds a lot a lot closer to rollins than than allen for sure and if there's a place to go off on a long tangent

it is here on the psycho semantic cast. Yeah, definitely. Um, that's like, I feel like the less I prepare for the show, the better. Like I looked up a bunch of stuff to talk about how to do your own pirate radio.

And what websites to do and everything. And then I was like, nah, that's not as interesting as what we could be talking about, which is the ideas behind what made Harry who he is. Or at least that's how it ended up spewing out of me. Yeah, that's...

Actually, you can get yourself plenty of websites out there for doing pirate radio. For instance, just with a quick Google search of the words, how to build an FM transmitter.

You can get schematics from websites like Instructables and everything like that. If you wanted to do that, it's definitely out there.

Now, if you're concerned about doing your own pirate radio and you're wondering what the penalties are from the FCC, I also looked that up as well. Recent actions include...

$15,000 of forfeiture, which was proposed, which happens to be you lose the equipment. The FCC and U.S. Marshals will seize the equipment for pirate operations.

Now, the reason that pirate radio actually exists, it goes back to, and here's a quick history of pirate radio for everybody out there. I didn't mean to make you do this. I hope you're okay with it. No, it's totally fine. I'm good.

This is my comfort zone where I'm using things that I've actually looked up ahead of time and I'm prepared. So pirate radio, if anybody doesn't know out there, the history of it actually comes from literally being on a ship off the coast where you're international waters.

where you then use your broadcast to go to a large landmass. It happened a lot in the 60s in England because a lot of rock and roll wasn't allowed on terrestrial radio like the BBC actually controlled. So some people would buy like...

giant liners you know like like uh like old oil rigs or whatever and go live out there in international waters they would cycle in djs in and out you know for

weeks or months at a time or whatever. There's even an amazing movie about such a thing that I believe is just called Pirate Radio, if you guys want to check that out. Or you and McGregor will come after you.

And they actually broadcast into the mainland in England all of these stuff that was not allowed on regular terrestrial broadcast over there. Now in America...

We've actually had a history of pirate radios as well, but usually it's on shortwave bands or things like that. Very few pirate FM stations are actually famous out here, but it does happen.

Usually you would have like a guy in the middle of nowhere broadcasting to a small town or something like that that would happen or a gal. You know, I'm not going to be sexist here. But the thing that's beautiful about pirate radio is.

As long as you keep the signal low enough and you don't go across state lines, it's really hard for the FCC to do anything. You notice actually as well the thing that they had about...

where mark's stuff is starting to be rebroadcast across state lines that's when you end up actually getting more in trouble because it's the federal communications commission

Now, there are local state enforcement agencies for that sort of thing, but it's kind of hard to catch somebody. You have to be able to triangulate the signal and all that kind of stuff like they showed. And in a lot of cases, I mean...

I'm looking at an article from 2010 where it says that pirate radios, radio pirates do not go to jail in 48 states. Odds are good. So there's these myth stations and things like that. Yeah, so...

it's out there now broadcasting on the FM in this day and age, I want to point out kind of, I mean, it's, it's kind of a antique historical cool thing to do.

if you want to be a pirate and get your voice out there, but you're listening to this now, so you're already aware of where I'm going with this. Podcast, folks. You can spend the same amount of money, just mix it down to an MP3.

It is then time shifted and ready to go for someone to listen to anytime they want once you get it all down to an MP3. And it's there forever once it's out on the internet.

And what's even more crazy is if you do a show that someone can become obsessed with, they'll even collect your episodes and keep them and probably reshare them as well. I've seen that happen where people still have.

episodes like their shows that i'm obsessed with for instance the b movie cast um that show has been going for so long i think they so many years i can't even remember the number of episodes that they have

But shortly after the main guy Vince had passed, they were concerned that they were going to lose all of the episodes. So people that were fans took it upon themselves, including myself, to archive his show and keep it alive.

in some way shape or form and like this version of mst3k style tape trading started happening where it's like hey i've got these episodes but i don't have these until we could keep them all out there now the show didn't go anywhere and all the stuff still exists but that does happen

You can also use resources like archive.org. And I do believe there are people out there that do that. And I don't think they charge you to put stuff out there on archive.org to run your stuff off of. That may not be.

the most accessible route to go for servers, but you can do it. And if you want a podcast, you can be that voice that stands up and says, fuck this. You can use social media and get your message out that way too.

we're doing it it's real easy to do you know if i can take that long anybody can yeah it doesn't take that long to be efficient at what you're doing and computers have changed the ballpark completely

You can get one USB mic like Darren, a nice computer, a decent program that can record, take a little time to learn how to edit and paste stuff together on that program, and boom, you're a producer.

You know, blogging has made writing and and getting to learn how to be a writer so much easier, you know, and you've got 150 characters to promote yourself.

in twitter or 140 or whatever it is you can put it out there you can just start tweeting your stuff you can post on facebook you can get a group together

And you know what? Podcasters happen to be some of the most accepting and inclusive people on the face of this earth I've found so far. And that's the place where I want to live. And that's why I love it so much. It's so amazing because we help each other.

It's the community I want to see the world become. And that's what I love about it. And I think if we all work together to do that, if everybody has a show, yeah, it'll be super saturated, but it's the new way of communicating, right?

You know, like we can actually, you know, like we influence each other's lives by producing these shows and giving each other feedback. And, you know, I mean, it's.

It's like bands trading tapes while they're on tour with each other to sell at each other's merch tables, man. Only now it's so much more community minded and so much less about just being able to afford gas money. Yeah.

You sleep in a more comfortable bed, generally. Yeah. Yeah, I can't go on tour. My life, the way that it is now where I'm grounded at...

I can't get my voice out there by getting in a van and getting up on a stage and screaming, fuck this every night. But you know what? Once a week I can talk about a movie and then...

for a certain part of the show i can scream fuck this into the mic with my my podcasting cohort and any guests that i can get on skype we can all say fuck this i can put it out there and it's going to be out there until whoever is

Our servers go down and as long as I have the MP3s archived, I can keep putting this stuff out there. And until they take my internet, they can't keep me from doing it. That's the beauty of it. And I can say anything I want.

I can say anything I want as long as I'm not trying to incite violence or anything like that. And even then, I guess I can say whatever I want free speech wise. But they can't stop me. That's the beauty of this. You don't need to do...

pirate radio anymore because we have podcasting and you can keep the spirit of what you see in this movie pump up the volume going with mp3s and it's so much more powerful now than you could ever imagine

It's amazing. Just do it. And if you want to know how to get it to a show going, just contact me. I promise I'll help you. It doesn't take me very long to explain a few things and point you in the right direction. It's true.

You've helped a lot of people. You helped me. Like Mark says at the very end, when they're zeroing in on him and he's lost all his shields and he's just speaking from the heart, much like cort.

You just did. The whole world is crying out for healing. Start your own show. Keep the air alive. Take it back. Yeah. They can't stop you. Take it back.

Right. And, you know, there are a plethora of politically minded podcasts that are out there, but not everybody's going to say the same thing that you're going to say if you want to talk that route.

And you can wrap your stuff around movie reviews and voice your opinion and how you feel.

and use the fact that they're coming for the movie review like I do on my show and maybe inject a little bit of your own personal beliefs and people might tune you out or they might shine you on.

but some of them might listen and maybe you can help them realize that whatever perspective they have, they need to take another look at. I don't want to change your mind about something if you're that fucking adamant about it, but...

You know, maybe you need to look at it with more conviction and realize maybe what I'm thinking isn't right, you know?

There's been plenty of times where I've said some stuff where Matt has shouted me down right in front of me right there where he's made me reexamine some of my my beliefs and some of the things that I've had to say.

Because, you know, until I say it out loud with him right there, I don't realize how outrageous it is. But everybody out there in Podland seems to be okay with me. Either that or they keep coming back for the drunken guy sitting next to me. Don't know which. It's a unique...

experience yeah it's definitely a very bizarre thing i mean especially for you i mean you haven't done a full fled solo solo cast because you have a rotating group of guests

But when you go it completely solo and you do the show on your own, that's the one that I'm really dreading. Because if I don't have anybody to play off of or anybody to kind of rein me in, which happens on your show all the time because you seem to really just let me just...

go off and and rant you seem to really love my ranting but like if i don't have somebody like matt like looking at me like okay shut up dude like i'll go on forever especially when you put the mic in front of me you know

I'll talk until I have no voice. And so if I do a solo show, I'm afraid of what that's going to be, you know, because I'll just waffle on until someone tells me to stop, I think.

All right, well, I think I'm kind of running out of stuff. Do you have anything else? I think, well, I really don't think that anybody that tuned in...

At this point, well, if you're here for the very first time, we don't really go through point by point from the movies. But this movie is, what, 27 years old now?

Yeah, Jesus. Everybody in it that was a teenager is an old man now. Or an old woman. The spoiler statute is over on that.

When we were getting ready to go into this, all I really hoped that we might get to, youth, rebellion, censorship.

I could probably use a little censorship on this episode. This movie probably launched countless podcasts, whether people realize it or not.

So I thought it would be interesting to talk about it today with somebody that kind of helped me push my podcast out into the ocean, out onto the airwaves.

This was a good talk, man. I'm really glad that, at least I think it was a good talk. Was it good for you?

A lady never tells. No, I had a blast. And again, I'm sorry if I just waffled on too much. I tend to do that if you don't rein me in. No, this is the place. This is the place to stretch out.

I just hope you don't lose any listeners because of my crazy ass. Oh, they are not numerous, but they are loyal. I think they're far too numerous to enumerate, sir. I think we covered everything.

It's kind of hard to talk about movies that people hold near and dear. I should have done it earlier on. Like you and I should have opened your whole show with this.

And then done Turk 182 later then. I think it couldn't have started any other way than the way it started. But if I was the type of guy that... orchestrated well thought out plans we might have switched it and yeah started with pump up the volume then had you come back for the turk 182

Well, if you listen to those two episodes together, you will get a whole lot of insight on what made me who I am. Definitely. Yes, it'll be an ongoing saga.

Yeah, my appearance have been uncomfortably autobiographical on your show, sir. Next time, I'll pick something less serious.

Yeah, but the nature of your show is to talk about such serious things, but maybe something a little less autobiographical next time and a little more politically minded, I think. And of course, if your listeners...

are willing to put up with me waffle on more than I'm always happy to come back when you want me. So I'll just put that out there now. You are always welcome. I was afraid to ask you back too soon.

I'll just invite myself back. Fuck your couch. I'm here. It's me and your dog. We'll just lay on your couch and chill. Oh, yeah. That's the spot. Every couch is the dog's spot, man. That's just how it works.

Exactly. And, you know, pit bulls. Pit bulls love to be pillows. Well, maybe you don't know. Oh, no, no. Those are evil, violent, awful dogs. People. Yeah.

No, it's the breed. It's the breed, man. The breed's evil. No, I can't even. No, I've been around plenty. And, you know, it's little shit ankle-biting chihuahuas that I found that are a lot more pain in the ass than anything else.

Yeah, the mini pinchers hate me with a passion for some reason. Like all dogs, even dogs that people say hate everybody generally like me, but min pins growl at me like I'm a fucking ghost.

Wait, like the band Ghost? Why would they growl at Ghost? They're an awesome band. Well, maybe there's a little bit of feedback. They have a bad roadie.

Somebody turned up the suck factor tonight. We got to cut this off before it gets even worse, man. Yeah, I mean, we covered the transformation of Wallflower Mark, sort of, I guess.

We have to hope that he gradually changed into a more active or rather than reactive young man after he got out of FCC prison.

I don't think I think he got some hefty his parents probably got some hefty fines. They took his equipment. He probably got some probation. He could or he could possibly be implicated on brought up on charges.

for like a not necessarily wrongful death but like a uh a manslaughter or you know be held accountable for that kind of thing for the kid who committed suicide but he never actually said do it he just didn't talk him out of it and he's the wrong person to talk

too that would be like blaming a friend who took a phone call from a kid who's about to commit suicide i don't think that would stick in court either and then they might have him for like inciting riots or something possibly but

Really, Mark's not getting in a lot of trouble. They make it seem like he's going to jail for a very long time at the end of this movie, and I don't think that's going to happen even if he gets railroaded away in Arizona.

You know, the ACLU is coming in for this kid's free speech and helping him out and getting him a plea bargain. And then he's going to become like a talking point. And more than likely he'll get a job as being a shock jock. And then, you know.

It won't be a real happy ending for everybody that wants him to be something else. And he'll just start, you know, waffling on in the air, probably like the local radio hosts out here, making his dick and fart jokes and occasionally interjecting a few things that...

might help bring about social change that's what i see for him he becomes the later 90s shock jock type people but the kind like what we have out here where i am where i am locally they

broadcast out of omaha they're called todd and tyler and they're mostly just talking crap and they talk about dick and fart jokes and all of that kind of stuff for sports but

Every now and then they'll start talking about politics or they'll start talking about something that actually has some kind of bearing or some meaning. And they interject their own personal pinko commie philosophies that some people around here might think.

But by doing so they get some people that ordinarily wouldn't listen to that kind of thing. They get them to listen to it and they get them to think on a different perspective. So that's what I see Mark doing. I see him using that kind of system.

And dialing it back just enough to be able to interject that kind of thing into the world. And I hope the best for him. I hope he gets to do that. I hope you're, if you're out there, Mark. Yes.

Imaginary character, if you're out there, I hope you're doing that. I hope you didn't become Imus in the morning. Yeah, we're keeping the air alive, even if you're not. And talking hard.

And from there, I want to thank you, Cort, for calling in. Why don't you tell us where else to find you and yours?

Yeah, absolutely. If you want to shout me down and call me out for making fun of your favorite 90s punk bands, you can find me on Twitter. I'm at cort underscore psyop.

I am Cort PsyOps on Facebook. You can start posting your hate for me there. We have a Facebook group, which is Cinema PsyOps. You can ask to join. We'll let you in. Don't be a dick. That's all I'm asking.

And we have a lot of fun there. It's not as huge as a lot of other podcast groups, but the fans are loyal. They're faithful. They're wonderful. We have crazy memes.

I'm calling them alternative photos where people start photoshopping things to make them more fun. Some of my personal favorites are the ones with Kellyanne Conway's legs being gone underneath the couch.

Our boy Dan did this really cool thing where it's like her legs were chopped off and dragged over to the desk to be served in front of Trump. And then...

The one that you did where she's sitting on the chair without legs next to the Crypt Keeper was beautiful for your Psycho-Semantic cast. I'm loving those. I really want to see more of those happen. So I'm asking here and I asked on my show that's going to be released and I'm going to keep asking.

guys keep doing those those are great and i'm going to refer to them from here on out as alternative photos where they've been where they've been photoshopped to be fun so

uh we got to do something to stay sane folks that's all i'm saying uh in the facebook group there we have a facebook page where you can like us cinema psyops

We're on iTunes. You can search for CinemaPsyops there. We're on Stitcher. We're currently on Podbean, but we're also on Legion Podcasts, moving everything over there. But I'm also going to try and see if I can get the feed to stay alive for people.

people that use pod bean as well uh from bringing over legion and you can find a stitcher itunes pod bean on the legion podcasts network main site

which just do a Google for Legion podcasts. It'll be like the first thing that pops up. And then you can find us in the list of podcasts along with many other wonderful and probably more talented people there for their shows. Thanks again, dude.

Glad we could have a little bit more of a conversation. Oh, this was a blast, dude. Yeah, I really, really enjoyed recording with you here. I just hope the show ends up.

Turning out as good as it felt recording it. And let's just hope that it does. And again, I can't wait to come back whenever you're ready. So I already have one.

I already have one in mind, actually, that'll be perfect and it still fits in our current political climate. I've been very fortunate that, you know, you and other people that I've had on have had a lot of really good suggestions.

What I want to do is talk about what's important to you, whoever I'm talking to, and me. Because I always want to talk about what I think is important. But people coming from different directions onto a central point.

And we're just seeing where that where that leads. It sounds like I smoked a lot more pot than I have, but. Well, you didn't use my favorite buzzword to hate, which was it organically develops, man.

It's this beautiful, growing, living thing. No, it's just something that happens naturally through synchronicity where you have like-minded individuals discussing a similar topic that they're both passionate about.

And the way that it develops is wonderful because they have very similar viewpoints. It's when you get people that have disparaging viewpoints that your show's really going to go off. Yeah, I'm waiting for that.

which it could actually be like, if you have somebody on a different side of a topic than you, that could really be a good show too. Like, I'm not saying that that's going to be a bad thing. I think that could really be awesome.

You just have to find someone that doesn't agree with you. But you know what? In the podcasting community, it's still too much community-minded. I don't think you're going to find somebody like that without going outside of it. I am always looking to have just...

a conversation if you disagree with me and we still have a conversation that's good and if you have something you feel like you could add get a hold of me if you were moved by the events of this particular topic you can go ahead and check it out here

I figured I would try to do this a little bit more often. So here we are. The Internet Defense League, internetdefenseleague.org works to try to do things like...

prevent Congress and the Orange Fuhrer from doing things like they did just over a week ago by repealing FCC regulations that prevented our internet providers from selling our information to advertisers.

Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. We've all been kind of losing at the hands of the people that are supposed to represent us lately. But they're worth checking out and being part of. There's also Fight for the Future.

fightforthefuture.org they're pretty active politically their little blurb is Fight for the future is dedicated to protecting and expanding the internet's transformative power in our lives by creating civic campaigns that are engaging for millions of people.

We beat back attempts to limit our basic rights and freedoms and empower people to demand technology and policy that serves our interests. More coming soon.

It was the first time I've been to their website, but I've been getting their emails on political actions and things that have been going on, like the slow dismantling of internet privacy.

They're a good group to follow. They're a good website to sign up on to keep abreast of those situations. So yeah, I don't know if this is better or if you guys prefer just conversations in the group.

I've been putting a lot more stuff in the Facebook group, facebook.com slash groups slash psychosemanticast. So I've been trying to stay active in there, and you guys have been great. But I'm kind of doing a little mix and match.

And we'll see how this goes. But I'm going to keep working on improving the show. And if this is an improvement, I'm going to stick to it.

Sort of like a Jerry Springer's final thoughts only like, you know, actually pertinent. Thanks everybody for listening. Remember to duck and cover. Fucking talk hard.

you try to make me stay down upon my knees tell me that i'm wrong and right is just a dream someone has to pay

It's the American way I should just go home. You say I don't make sense. I don't know what I need.

What I need is to lose democracy Someone has to pay You are not to blame I should just go home anymore you've been lying to me for way too long you exist for me not the other way around

We won't ever go. You can run, but you can't hide from us all.

You shoved 78 down my throat And you, you think I will not cough And spit it in your face We are not afraid of Hey way too long you exist for me not the other way around we are not your children

I tell us to stay inside. We won't ever go. You can run, but you can't hide from us all.