THE PODCAST ON HAUNTED HILL EPISODE 192 - HELLRAISER (1987) AND A CHAT WITH THE TEETH CHATTERER.
Gav: The Podcast on Haunted Hill will contain spoilers and swearing.
Intro: So
Intro: this
Intro: Michael
Intro: Be
Intro: one of us.
Intro: I didn't tell you my name, hang
Intro: up.
Intro: I didn't tell you my name.
Intro: It is time to keep your appointment.
Gav: Hello and welcome to The Podcast on Haunted Hill episode 192.
Gav: 192.
Gav: I feel like a number station.
Gav: My name is Gav.
Dan: My name is
Dan: Dan.
Gav: Why did you su
Gav: why is there such a
Gav: pause?
Gav: I
Dan: I don't know, I almost forgot my name to be honest with you.
Gav: Okay.
Gav: Hopefully we don't have a huge delay.
Dan: Well, you know.
Dan: Um
Dan: welcome.
Gav: Welcome.
Gav: Uh
Gav: to
Gav: um
Gav: Spooky
Gav: Halloween
Gav: episode.
Dan: Halloween
Dan: spectacular
Dan: like
Dan: Dracula with a spatula.
Gav: I've gotta say, uh
Gav: this year, uh
Gav: during a Halloween
Gav: episode, um because
Gav: we've done them many many times now, um
Gav: I'm still in a t-shirt and it's still kinda warm.
Gav: Generally it's a bit colder and I'm wearing at least wearing a jumper and stuff at this time of year.
Dan: I'm in a t-shirt too.
Dan: Yes it's definitely warmer, but that's global warming for you.
Gav: Unfortunately, yes
Gav: Um
Gav: anyway, uh
Gav: how are you?
Dan: I'm good, thank you very much.
Dan: I'm excited.
Dan: It feels like we
Dan: only just recorded, it was only a few weeks ago, so it's good to be back in the saddle again.
Gav: Luckily it's the three
Gav: one
Dan: talking about Watcher in the Woods.
Gav: Luckily it's the thirty one thirty one.
Gav: So we've actually got some shit to talk about.
Gav: Otherwise we might not have had many movies to talk about because of s
Gav: recording recently.
Gav: You know, it happens.
Dan: Indeed.
Dan: Indeed, yeah.
Dan: Well so
Dan: we're with this episode
Dan: Dear
Dan: sweet
Dan: lovely
Dan: sexy
Gav: Helby
Gav: listeners
Gav: and
Dan: Cenaby
Dan: listeners.
Dan: We will be covering
Dan: it's Gav
Dan: 's pick.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: And he's picked the sexy, dirty,
Dan: slimy.
Dan: Hook infested
Dan: maggot
Dan: laden
Dan: 1987
Dan: Clive Barker Classic
Dan: Hellraiser.
Gav: I don't know about sex
Gav: is
Dan: we've
Dan: We've never covered it.
Dan: It's crazy in in almost 13 years of podcasting.
Gav: It's a weird one that we haven't covered it.
Gav: I don't really know why, but we haven't.
Gav: But it is
Gav: a
Gav: There as the classics, and you got obviously
Gav: Pinhead
Gav: uh
Gav: is up there with Jason, Leatherface, etc.
Gav: Um
Gav: you talked about this last night actually.
Gav: This
Gav: a little segue.
Gav: I've started a YouTube
Gav: channel called the Video Shop, and I was actually done
Gav: Leatherface last night.
Gav: I was doing Tex
Gav: original Texas Chainsaw Mask
Gav: where I look at the videotape.
Gav: And uh
Gav: I was actually comparing him to Pinhead, and in fact it's like Pinhead, Leatherface.
Gav: It's like
Gav: I wonder how they got these names
Gav: Quite easy.
Gav: But um
Gav: Pinhead does uh go up there with all the uh classic horror people and please do check out the video shop on YouTube.
Gav: You
Gav: just have to see my face, you know it's me
Dan: Yeah, Penhead is definitely up there
Dan: with Freddie, Jason, Leatherface, Chucky, you know, even um
Dan: Ghostface, you know, now, you know, he's definitely
Dan: You know, seven screen movies
Dan: now.
Dan: I haven't seen the seventh one yet, but I do have a power
Dan: line subscription, so
Dan: maybe I'll check it out in the next few days.
Gav: I was gonna check out the new screen movie.
Dan: I think I'll do
Dan: that.
Dan: I think we'll do that.
Dan: Yeah, um so it's gonna be really exciting to talk about that and
Dan: a little bit of background on on Hellraiser
Dan: and all that kind of stuff.
Dan: Uh yeah, we'll also
Dan: give you guys a rundown of what we've been watching so far
Dan: because
Dan: we are recording about halfway through October.
Dan: Um
Dan: but
Dan: yes as always for anyone who doesn't know
Dan: It's not a challenge, it's not a race, but we we do try and
Dan: do something called
Dan: 30 days of horror
Dan: or 31 days of Halloween where you watch at least one film or read something spooky or listen to something spooky every day during the October month.
Dan: to keep those spooky vibes
Dan: alive or undead.
Dan: You know, I was listening to the uh
Dan: creep
Dan: show
Dan: soundtrack on October the 1st as I was doing the washing up.
Dan: I know some of you have been like reading comics, playing the new Michael Myers
Dan: video game Jack, you've got that as well.
Dan: haven't you?
Gav: Yeah
Gav: yeah
Gav: I uh yeah I got that
Gav: beginning of October um and started playing it and it was quite it's quite fun.
Gav: It's I don't play online
Gav: uh I don't I don't pay for like online
Gav: plays so I'm a little bit more limited
Gav: Um
Gav: I haven't got too much I can do.
Gav: But it's great.
Gav: They've bat
Gav: mapped out Haddonfield
Gav: So
Gav: as you walk around you go in people's houses and it's like seventies
Gav: decor
Gav: or people be working out in their gyms and you've got to go kill them
Gav: and stuff like this
Gav: and it's cool
Gav: it's
Gav: you're walking around as
Gav: Michael just slashing people up.
Gav: In Haddonfield.
Dan: Do you get to hang the dog?
Gav: Yeah, you kill the dog, yep.
Gav: You get bonus points for doing things like if you actually get uh Nancy in the car strangling her from the backseat
Gav: you get bonus points but if you just s
Gav: knife
Gav: her up in the in the cupboard all the way but it's n
Gav: not as good points.
Dan: It's you've got to have styling finesse like Michael.
Gav: You're basically doing the movies, it's the first movie
Gav: and it opens up
Gav: and it has a little chat.
Gav: It's really
Gav: as
Gav: a fan, it's really good.
Gav: Uh
Gav: you would love it as a fan.
Gav: When when
Gav: when I see you or if you're around here, I'll let you have a go
Gav: so you can see what's on.
Dan: Yeah yeah.
Gav: It's
Gav: you'd be like
Gav: you'd be like a little kid
Gav: this is how you get
Gav: and it's a uh a
Gav: legit soundtrack as well
Gav: playing
Gav: while you do it.
Dan: Is it
Dan: Carpenter?
Dan: Um
Gav: yeah yeah.
Dan: Yeah, nice, nice.
Dan: He he's sort of happy with it and everything, he's sort of getting his money in he, so
Gav: that's right.
Gav: likes
Gav: in it.
Dan: He loves it.
Dan: I haven't played any video games.
Dan: The only game I have played,
Dan: nor
Dan: stop
Dan: and get a bit bored of it now, is Ghost Castle, the original 1980s
Dan: six I think it was released, board game.
Dan: Um
Dan: which
Dan: yeah
Dan: and I've still got my my
Dan: my um
Dan: board game um
Dan: kept in pristine condition and the kids
Dan: discovered it 'cause obviously we've only been in this new house for about seven weeks.
Dan: We haven't fully unpacked yet.
Dan: And they discovered it in the attic
Dan: um
Dan: right
Dan: around about
Dan: probably the end of um September actually, it wasn't quite October.
Dan: And they said, what's this Scooby-Doo game?
Dan: Because it looks a bit Scooby-Doo on the front.
Dan: And I said, Oh, it's called Ghost Castle.
Dan: So we we started playing it
Dan: and they want to play it every morning before school and every night before school.
Dan: Actually
Dan: the last couple of days they've been double billing films with me so we haven't played it
Dan: But they do love Ghost
Dan: Castle and it's such a fun game.
Dan: For anyone who hasn't played it, I'm sure most of you have heard it.
Dan: I'm pretty sure it was released outside of the UK.
Dan: But it's basically a a castle, like a 3D
Dan: um
Dan: model of a castle and you go through these four different rooms and there's booby traps and you drop a skull into a coffin
Dan: and it's random which booby trap that will set off
Dan: and if you do get hit with a booby trap you have to go back to the beginning and the aim of the game is to
Dan: Traverse all four rooms and up these steps and then land on the top square which shuts the um
Dan: the coffin and lays the ghost to rest and it glows in the dark, you know, it's Yeah.
Dan: It's just one of these games that c
Dan: captures your imagination as a kid.
Gav: play with the kids, no problem.
Dan: Please
Dan: they'll love that.
Dan: Uh and do you know what they do?
Dan: They do something that me and my sister used to do with it.
Dan: Toys as well?
Gav: I never thought about doing that.
Dan: Oh yeah, w me and my sister used to
Dan: we used to like make
Dan: He
Dan: Man go through the different rooms and stuff
Dan: and so they're doing that at the moment.
Gav: I'm too autistic with it.
Gav: I'd be like, no, that's for that.
Gav: It stays for that.
Gav: It cannot be for anything else.
Gav: That's cause that'
Gav: That's how my mind works.
Dan: They decorated it with like loads of little creatures the other day and then I said, What's going on here?
Dan: And they said, Oh, they're
Dan: they're doing what Scooby-Doo
Dan: does and they're looking for clues.
Dan: But there's lots of them.
Dan: But
Dan: there's lots of them, so they're safe.
Dan: And I was like, okay.
Gav: It's amazing.
Dan: So they're loving that.
Dan: So yeah, that's the only game I've played.
Dan: Um
Dan: but yeah, it's that time of year.
Dan: Um
Dan: our
Dan: Facebook page is popping off
Dan: Um
Dan: everybody's posting what they're watching, listening, reading, etc.
Dan: Uh it's it's spooky, it doesn't feel it 'cause of the weather.
Dan: The leaves aren't coming off the trees here, but it's warm,
Dan: it's strange.
Gav: It's very orangey
Gav: around here
Dan: Yeah, th
Dan: there's
Dan: they're coming off the leaves, the
Dan: trees, but they're not
Dan: it's not like it doesn't feel like that vibe yet.
Gav: So I'll tell you
Gav: I
Gav: I'm gonna say number six on my list, continuing on from last time, um
Gav: is
Gav: uh
Gav: First time ever for my lit Fear One list was I went to the theatre
Gav: uh
Gav: to watch the paranormal activity show.
Gav: So
Gav: I'm not gonna spoil it
Gav: because it's like
Gav: Um at times it was like a magician thing.
Gav: Me and Charlie
Gav: be like, how
Gav: the fuck did they do that?
Gav: And we're trying to work it out.
Gav: Um
Gav: I
Gav: I
Gav: it's it's
Gav: It's fairly hard to get me scared
Gav: anymore.
Gav: I've seen every trick in the book nowadays.
Gav: I
Gav: do know
Gav: what mean I can't
Gav: I just can't get scared.
Gav: This show
Gav: I had hairs on the back of my neck and had goosebumps.
Gav: I
Gav: creeped out at times.
Gav: Uh
Gav: I don't want to say and I can't say
Gav: off
Gav: air later on
Gav: If you think
Gav: you'll never
Gav: but then again you might do, I don't know.
Gav: If it came to Bristol you might go and watch it.
Gav: It's worth it.
Gav: It's really worth it.
Gav: Basically
Gav: you're sitting there as an audience because
Gav: thinking how you could do it 'cause it's Panor
Gav: Activity.
Gav: But it's um a two story house.
Gav: You're sitting there looking at a living room
Gav: Room a
Gav: kitchen
Gav: on the bottom left goes into
Gav: living room.
Gav: Staircase up the back
Gav: goes up from right to left, then goes into landing, where there's a
Gav: Nursery behind in the background you can't really see it's just a door opens of wall but it's a nursery apparently
Gav: a bedroom open
Gav: up
Gav: and
Gav: a bathroom
Gav: and the second
Gav: the first floor is
Gav: back
Gav: a bit to the ground so like if you're down in the front rows you can still see what's going on.
Gav: And it's two
Gav: Americans uh
Gav: have
Gav: moved to England for a job
Gav: And
Gav: that's the story
Gav: and
Gav: uh
Gav: there's just
Gav: stuff goes on.
Gav: Things start to happen, spooky things happen, like a drawer just opens at one point.
Gav: Do you know what I mean?
Gav: Spooky things start to happen.
Gav: So you're looking around the house
Gav: like you do in the movies.
Gav: For things to happen.
Dan: You can see you can always see all the rooms, which is cool.
Gav: But there's one point
Gav: it's not a spoil
Gav: is it a spoiler?
Gav: It's not a spoiler.
Gav: Not hugely a spoiler
Gav: Someone vanishes at one point, that's not really
Gav: spoiling, it's just something
Gav: it's not
Gav: you know
Gav: but
Gav: there's just like all of a sudden there's a flash of black for a split second, comes
Gav: back on the lights, come back on
Gav: the house, and that person's gone.
Gav: So
Gav: it must have been a trapdoor or some shit, you know what I mean?
Gav: There's lots of events like this where me and Charlie
Gav: Alfred's night I said Charlie
Gav: well I think it's this is how we're done and this it must have been how they did that.
Gav: There's one bit which is really creepy that you're just following it all along and
Gav: all of a sudden it twists.
Gav: And you're like, what the fuck?
Gav: How the fuck?
Gav: What the fuck?
Gav: Um
Gav: it's worth a watch if you can see the paranormal
Gav: activity show if you're a horror fan.
Gav: So that's my recommendations.
Gav: That was my number six.
Dan: Nice.
Dan: You also went to see something with Sarah
Dan: for uh um
Dan: a
Dan: an exhibition.
Dan: Do you want to talk about that?
Gav: I could have even I supp
Gav: I suppose
Gav: more fantasy, because we actually even went and watched a movie.
Gav: Um
Gav: yeah, we went and watched
Gav: uh
Gav: uh
Gav: the Ray Harryhausen
Gav: exhibition we went to visit
Gav: and look at all the things like the the owl from Crash the
Gav: Titans
Gav: you know
Gav: yeah
Gav: or
Gav: uh um
Gav: Medusa
Gav: was there
Gav: or Pegasus
Gav: Or
Gav: the skeletons
Gav: um
Gav: which he fights at the end of the movie we watched Jason the Argonauts
Gav: 'cause we sat and watched that afterwards, which was really good fun.
Gav: And it's all of those things
Gav: in
Gav: Cabinets.
Gav: Now I I be
Gav: assume
Gav: the exhibition goes around to different places, stays for like
Gav: two, three months, moves on to another city.
Gav: I guess.
Gav: But someone told me it was on
Gav: and uh I said
Gav: Sarah, well we're gonna go down to New
Gav: Forest
Gav: and it's on the way.
Gav: Let's let's let's drive down and go past that
Gav: in Winchester in Hampshire.
Gav: It's not too far from me if you're around
Gav: that area.
Gav: Um
Gav: well worth checking out.
Gav: Um
Gav: it's five quid to get in.
Gav: So, you know, it's not really breaking the bank.
Dan: And it's the original preserved pieces
Dan: from
Gav: the original ones, which
Gav: they would
Gav: been
Gav: Stop motion
Gav: which they would have moved around
Gav: or stuff.
Gav: It was incredible.
Gav: He
Gav: his toolbox was there as well.
Dan: Wow.
Dan: What a legend.
Gav: So um I had quotes there, I had a quote from Spielberg saying
Gav: I wouldn't have made jaws
Gav: if it wasn't for Bray Harryhausen.
Dan: You know Tom Hanks' favourite film?
Dan: film of all time and the reason he w
Dan: wanted to act was because he saw Jason and the Argonauts when he was younger.
Dan: I mean that just says it all
Dan: that
Dan: 's
Gav: there.
Gav: Um so it's well worth checking out and that was uh it was it's fantas
Gav: fantasies.
Gav: I didn't add it to my thirty one.
Gav: I
Gav: I could have done but I didn't.
Gav: Um
Gav: it was a really good exhibition to check out actually.
Gav: Uh
Gav: well worth it if you're into that stuff.
Gav: Or
Gav: just uh seeing them in the movies and seeing them in real life.
Gav: And
Gav: reduces
Gav: just like
Gav: reduces
Gav: just like nine inches or something, do you know what I mean?
Dan: I know.
Gav: It's crazy.
Dan: I mean our
Dan: buddy RJ McCready, who's also
Dan: uh one of our patrons, he would probably enjoy that.
Dan: He did pick uh for one of his picture and picks two Harry Housen films back in the day.
Dan: Yeah, RJ
Dan: Uh
Gav: it's pla
Gav: it's from Winchester.
Gav: Uh
Gav: message me if you want more info.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: He'll probably be up for that.
Dan: That's cool.
Dan: Um
Dan: I've not been doing anything very interesting, but I have been watching horror films.
Dan: Um
Dan: before we get into
Dan: I
Dan: thought you won
Dan: lists
Dan: very quickly
Dan: just talk about a few I've watched that aren't on the list.
Dan: Um
Dan: Before I do even do that, have you seen the training for the Exorcist Martyrs with Scarlett E.
Dan: Hansen
Dan: No, Chibutu
Dan: Edgefor
Dan: and
Dan: Lawrence Fishburne.
Gav: No.
Dan: And John
Dan: Liquizama.
Dan: Great cast.
Dan: It's directed by Mike Flanagan.
Dan: Um
Dan: and it is a direct sequel to the Exorcist 3.
Gav: Okay, so so let's go back a step very quickly.
Gav: Obviously uh
Gav: Halloween Matey
Gav: David Gordon
Gav: Green
Gav: then went and
Gav: was
Gav: did the first Exorcist film because they spent a f
Gav: fuck ton of money
Gav: acquiring the rights for it if I remember and then they went, We're gonna make a trilogy like Halloween
Gav: and he made the first one
Gav: and then now he's never gonna probably make horror again because
Gav: everybody
Gav: just went, Stop, leave
Gav: leave, leave us.
Gav: Go back to comedy.
Gav: So
Gav: is this a s so it's the same studio presumably who bought the rights?
Gav: They've then gone, right, we need a proper filmmaker
Gav: who
Gav: not saying that David
Gav: Gorn Green is not a proper filmmaker, but I think he was
Gav: Yes, let's not get into it.
Gav: Uh
Gav: he
Gav: he's a name you don't want to speak about in a horror world.
Dan: When you think of Mike Flanagan you think of
Dan: You think of
Dan: good stuff.
Gav: Yeah he
Gav: obviously
Gav: Carrie
Gav: show's just come out which he did.
Gav: Which
Gav: uh I thought it's funny Netflix have lost him because he was doing something for them every
Gav: Halloween.
Dan: Yeah, he was
Gav: had more money going on.
Gav: Um
Gav: or something.
Gav: And uh yeah, so
Gav: assumably they've gone and got Mark Flanagan
Gav: and he
Gav: But
Gav: it'll probably be an alright movie
Gav: then.
Dan: It's um
Dan: so
Dan: Scarlett
Dan: Johansson
Dan: plays
Dan: Kinderman's daughter.
Gav: Who's
Gav: who's Kinderman is that?
Dan: Kinderman is the cop, the cop from number three, who was briefly at the end of number one, played by George
Dan: um
Dan: George
Gav: Scott.
Gav: George
Dan: Scott
Dan: in the third one.
Gav: Oh really?
Dan: So she plays his daughter who's a couple of things.
Dan: So you played George
Gav: Scott's daughter.
Dan: So
Dan: yeah, because
Dan: his daughter was in the third one, if you remember.
Gav: So she's
Dan: one
Dan: there's one part of the trailer where she's got a her
Dan: police
Dan: cost
Dan: um
Dan: the te
Dan: her uh you know
Dan: police uniform on and it's kinderman on the badge
Dan: and it's got
Dan: Chiwito
Dan: Edge of 4 from Backrooms is in it as a young priest
Dan: and right towards the end Lawrence Fishburne is the old priest.
Dan: Um, but it's a series of it's not just one kid, there's a si
Dan: there's a
Dan: there's a
Dan: so I think it's set in the eighties
Dan: by the looks of it.
Dan: Um, because they're talking about how they've only just started to understand serial killers and DNA.
Dan: and um they talk about H.
Dan: H.
Dan: Holmes and
Dan: and some of these other serial killers in the trailer.
Dan: And someone's going around
Dan: and it looks like they're exclusively killing young children and sort of crucifying them in horrific ways.
Dan: And Scarlett
Dan: Hudson's got a twelve year old son.
Dan: Um
Dan: and
Dan: there's this shot of John
Dan: La Guizamo
Dan: about to be executed.
Dan: And it
Dan: it it
Dan: I don't know, Mike Flanagan said it's it I mean obviously he's gonna say this, it's the scariest film I've ever worked on.
Dan: Um
Dan: I don't know.
Dan: I will
Dan: I will keep my
Dan: my h hopes low.
Dan: But
Dan: I do like the Exorcist 3.
Dan: We've covered it, obviously.
Dan: Kraken
Gav: Kraken
Gav: film
Dan: But yeah, if they can do a good job of this, I just don't know if it needs to be an Exorcist sequel.
Dan: Do you know
Dan: what I mean?
Dan: But
Dan: I don't know.
Dan: Scotty
Dan: Hansen
Dan: doesn't put her name to just old any
Dan: old tat, you know, unless it's like another Jurassic Park film.
Gav: Assuming from what you said, I presume I'm
Gav: looking at eighty-four
Gav: Or
Gav: eighty-five, something like that, I guess
Gav: that's
Gav: in that.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: It's hard to say from the traders
Dan: when it's set, but if
Dan: if Kinderman's daughter is in it, is there only gonna be ten
Dan: within ten
Dan: years of the
Dan: year?
Gav: So okay, well
Gav: see
Gav: um I'm sure William
Gav: Freekin
Gav: will be uh
Gav: haunting uh Mike Flanagan at night times, like he
Gav: said he was gonna do with David Gordon Green.
Gav: He actually said
Gav: I'm gonna fucking haunt him
Gav: Which
Gav: um
Gav: you know, uh
Gav: I
Gav: I feel
Gav: if
Gav: we didn't f
Gav: Friedkin
Gav: had seen what Gordon Green
Gav: David Gordon Green had done.
Gav: I didn't even watch it.
Gav: I've never even seen it.
Gav: I've heard
Gav: what
Gav: everyone says, but
Gav: uh
Gav: have
Dan: I
Dan: seen it?
Dan: Yeah, is that the one with the two girls?
Dan: I have seen it.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: It's not
Dan: it's not all four, but it's also it's not
Dan: just like pointless.
Dan: Um
Dan: talking of
Dan: I just mentioned execution, just quickly, real
Dan: life
Dan: um
Dan: stuff to talk about before we talk about films.
Dan: Um
Dan: Christa
Dan: Krista
Dan: Pike, the uh
Dan: woman who was executed
Dan: They tried to kill her twice in the same night and she survived.
Gav: Yeah, 'cause I don't
Gav: I don't I've I've stopped looking at the news anymore, I've decided to stop, which has been great.
Gav: And
Gav: um
Gav: Uh I live in bliss now, it's brilliant.
Gav: I live in my own little world.
Gav: It's it's so much better.
Gav: It's really nice and refreshing actually.
Gav: Um
Gav: I heard about that though.
Gav: Does that mean that she gets off on the technicality?
Dan: I don't think so.
Dan: I'd
Gav: be like, fucking let me out of it.
Gav: You try killing me twice, bollocks to you, you lost.
Dan: She's just woken up like a day or so ago
Dan: Um
Dan: but like
Dan: they gave her two
Dan: they gave her
Dan: lethal injection, I think
Dan: killer, they gave her another lethal injection and it didn't kill her
Dan: Uh
Dan: all of her veins collapsed in her arms
Dan: and she was sort of
Dan: in a
Dan: not a coma but she was uh unconscious for days or weeks or however long it's been.
Dan: And she's
Gav: gonna be a bit fucked.
Dan: But but basically they're saying
Dan: was it was it a f
Dan: Did they fuck it up?
Dan: Was it just
Gav: -overstock?
Gav: They haven't done it for years, Emily.
Dan: No, no.
Dan: Um
Dan: But yeah, it's
Dan: um
Dan: it was very interesting
Dan: to
Dan: to read
Dan: read about that.
Dan: Somebody said to me, um
Dan: ,
Dan: Evil
Dan: doesn't die.
Dan: That's a very it's a very Halloween quote, but Evil
Dan: doesn't die.
Dan: I don't even know what her
Dan: um
Gav: I did I did see it
Gav: see this, I'm saying I don't see the news, but I did
Gav: this did pop up and I was intrigued by this.
Gav: Um sh she did something
Gav: with someone else and the person who
Gav: She is
Gav: viv
Gav: I think
Gav: did worse but they only got life but
Gav: she got it
Gav: the
Gav: uh
Gav: definite
Gav: for some reason.
Gav: I don't know no more than that.
Gav: Sorry my throat's been crazy.
Dan: They
Dan: they beat up and tortured and killed a nineteen
Dan: year old.
Gav: Right.
Dan: Um she was only eighteen.
Gav: Right.
Dan: So they basically
Dan: put some poor guy through a weekend of hell and then killed him, so
Dan: That's why she's
Dan: not that I agree with the death penalty and I don't want to get into that, but
Dan: um
Dan: it's pretty insane that she survived.
Dan: Um so there we go.
Dan: Um
Dan: and there's a death penalty about to happen in the next week
Dan: that Trump
Dan: said he was gonna live
Dan: stream.
Dan: But there's been so many complaints that they've said
Dan: he said all right we won't live stream.
Dan: It's like
Dan: you can't live stream these things, Donald Trump.
Dan: I I
Gav: It's brilliant.
Gav: I don't know what he's up to nowadays, but the guy's a fucking dickhead
Gav: Honestly, uh at what point uh should he be leading uh such a uh uh
Gav: important
Gav: country?
Gav: Well
Dan: the probably the most powerful nation in in
Dan: the world.
Dan: What
Gav: why should wh what is g what
Gav: 's going on?
Gav: The guy's a fucking
Gav: idiot.
Gav: He's like a fucking teenager.
Gav: A fucking teenager that's
Gav: that's like
Gav: a fucking dickhead.
Gav: Do you know what I mean?
Gav: It doesn't like anybody's got no friends.
Dan: It'd be like giving Corey Feldman
Dan: the White House
Dan: and saying, go for it.
Gav: Yeah, Corey Feldman's come out saying Corey Haym
Gav: tried raping him.
Gav: It's like
Gav: that's not what you said before.
Gav: What are you now
Gav: saying there?
Dan: Corey.
Dan: It
Dan: fascinates me, but that's but that's a whole other
Dan: thing.
Gav: You always send me stuff
Gav: him and then you sent me one the other day and he's on one of those little
Gav: things you stand on like
Dan: hoverboards
Gav: hoverboards and he's just doing a robot
Gav: you think
Gav: if
Gav: in his head he's like I'm fucking doing a robot like a robot and so
Gav: that's because you're on the hoverboard
Dan: And he's got light up clopes on what he's doing.
Gav: He's so confused.
Gav: It's the
Gav: To be fair, I actually thought about him more because you sent it to me and I actually spent a bit of a moment thinking about him
Gav: a
Gav: as a human being in
Gav: his mind.
Gav: And and I was thinking like, to be fair
Gav: ,
Gav: it could be a lot worse.
Gav: Because a lot of these people you
Gav: to be an act to be a famous actor, uh
Gav: especially a child
Gav: actor that big, going on to big movies, he's done some big movies, classic films, hit
Gav: in the limelight
Gav: Anything you want, everyone knows you, that must fuck with your head
Gav: severely.
Gav: You're probably gonna get big-headed even if you don't want to.
Gav: I think
Gav: I think
Gav: it'd just be hard not to.
Gav: You live in a different world.
Gav: You can't have normal friends, you have to have active friends because you all understand each other.
Gav: And
Gav: to be fair, what he's doing, just singing and dancing and
Gav: Just basically replicating Michael Jackson, which is really weird.
Gav: Uh, dancing and singing with some
Gav: women who look like angels or well, I don't know, it's very strange
Gav: Corey's.
Gav: It's really bad music as well.
Gav: To be fair
Gav: It could be a lot worse, couldn't it?
Gav: Yeah,
Dan: at least he's being creative and putting himself out there.
Gav: Could be cracked out
Gav: smoking
Gav: dick.
Gav: Smoking dick
Gav: Uh
Gav: yeah, smoking dick on the street for
Gav: crack, you know?
Gav: Uh
Dan: look at Cory
Dan: Hain,
Dan: sadly what happened to Cory
Dan: Hain, you know, he did ever
Dan: anything and everything for drugs and ended up dying pretty much living in a shed in someone's garden, you know, and so
Dan: You know, and then you've got like River
Dan: Phoenix and people like that.
Gav: It could be worse.
Gav: I think to be fair, on a fucking hoverboard but then a robot to
Gav: bad music,
Gav: everyone just staring at you
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: His latest thing, and this is this is Halloween
Dan: themed, so I'll just quickly mention
Dan: his latest thing he's doing is he's doing his tour with his Corey's Angels.
Dan: And he mimes all of his songs.
Dan: He mimes, you know, um
Dan: little
Dan: sister
Dan: from The Lost Boys.
Dan: He actually
Dan: s
Dan: mimes along to that.
Dan: And people in the crowd are like, he
Dan: sounds like an amazing singer.
Dan: Not
Dan: even
Dan: singing it, it's just mime
Dan: into the original song.
Gav: You know we went to see house paint
Gav: 'cause it's so
Gav: oh my god we've got to go see
Gav: whatever lost, we've got to go see them
Gav: Uh
Gav: if
Gav: he comes to Bristol, fucking
Gav: let me know and get us some front row tickets.
Dan: I'll go and
Dan: we'll go and meet him after.
Dan: We'll go
Dan: and
Gav: try to.
Gav: Getting him on up to
Gav: I don't know, you'd think it'd be fun, but it'd be like that episode of
Gav: Simpsons
Gav: where uh the comic book guy is
Gav: like really stoked that Stan Lee
Gav: in his shop and he's like, oh my god, Stan Lee, what the fuck?
Gav: Three days later
Gav: Bart and Lisa
Gav: go into the comic shop and they're like,
Gav: What's Stan Lee still then?
Gav: He says
Gav: he won't leave
Dan: Yeah, Corey Hang.
Dan: I can imagine
Gav: Corey Ham, you'd be like, oh this is fucking great.
Gav: Then after a while I'd be like, I don't know, you're talking about really serious and
Gav: stuff now and it's really n unfun
Gav: and
Gav: I'm gonna have to edit this down to like 15
Gav: minutes.
Gav: It's three hours.
Gav: So yeah.
Dan: Well let's
Dan: let's get off with Corey.
Dan: get into some some horror movies that we've been watching.
Dan: So before we get into our
Dan: 31
Dan: so far, um
Dan: I'll quickly start with a couple of things.
Dan: So I
Dan: just to give everyone a bit of context
Dan: I always have a theme for my 31.
Dan: I've done uh
Dan: a month of werewolves or vampires or
Dan: or whatever it might be.
Dan: Um
Dan: I did
Dan: Hammer
Dan: one year than
Dan: I all hammer movies.
Dan: I did Universal
Dan: Studios one year as well.
Dan: Um
Dan: this year, because I'm a bit tired and my job is very busy now
Dan: And we've been moving
Dan: house, etc.
Dan: I thought the best thing to do was to incorporate my children into my 31
Dan: watch.
Dan: So
Dan: when we get to it, you'll understand that I've been watching things that are
Dan: uh
Dan: suitable for five-year-olds.
Dan: Um
Dan: maybe some of them
Dan: not so much, but stuff that I think
Dan: suitable for a five-year-old.
Dan: So I'm watching stuff in the afternoon after school with them
Dan: But
Dan: when they go to bed, I then get a chance to watch adult horror films.
Dan: So there's a couple I've I've wanted to talk about.
Dan: Um
Dan: I I
Dan: re rewatched the Eggman
Dan: trilogy. Or
Dan: three
Dan: I didn't watch the fourth one, I know there's a fourth one. Yep.
Dan: Yeah, um
Dan: obviously the first one is just
Dan: absolute stone
Dan: cold classic.
Dan: Don't need to talk about it, we've covered it.
Dan: Um, I've come to realise is
Dan: probably up there with
Dan: Psycho
Dan: 2
Dan: Um
Dan: maybe
Dan: Blair
Dan: Witch 2, me and you both love that.
Dan: It's a sequel that doesn't deserve to be as good as it is, but it's actually really good, the Omen
Dan: 2.
Dan: Um
Dan: and sadly the Omen
Dan: 3, even though it's got quite a good cast
Dan: with Sam Neil and a few other people in it, it's just not very good the Omen
Dan: III.
Dan: It's got an incredible ending
Dan: where God pretty much fights the devil at the end
Dan: They really go all out.
Gav: Yeah,
Gav: yeah.
Gav: I need to do
Dan: it's just not
Dan: good.
Gav: I said to you, I think I was driving by the graveyard.
Gav: There is a big graveyard, a cemetery
Gav: like
Gav: Scenes in it.
Gav: I think it's a military honor
Gav: in the four
Gav: centuries.
Gav: Is that the
Gav: second one?
Dan: The first one w
Dan: well you took me to the the church, the cathedral from the first one.
Gav: On the way back from paranormal activity, I was
Gav: driving through a night time and
Gav: every sort of creeped out with Charlie and I was like, Charlie, if you look left and right right now
Gav: We're actually driving by
Gav: which was once one of the l
Gav: largest
Gav: cemeteries in Europe, but now it's the second largest
Gav: on either side of
Gav: the
Gav: walls.
Gav: And I
Gav: sure was in Omen
Gav: Two.
Dan: No, Omen
Dan: Two is the only one that
Dan: filmed in America.
Gav: Maybe it's Charles
Gav: Blood 2.
Dan: Omen
Dan: 3
Dan: uh
Dan: is back in the UK.
Dan: But Omen
Dan: 2, I believe the whole of that was filmed in America.
Dan: And it's very much like Child
Dan: 's Play 3, the one where he goes to the
Dan: military academy
Dan: whichever one that might be, because it's young Damien at a military academy, Lance
Dan: Henrickson is his military instructor.
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: Uh
Dan: who then
Dan: realizes he is the son of the devil and then protects him at all costs
Dan: in the cult, you know, and it's just it's really cool
Dan: man like
Dan: Damien's almost got Carrie
Dan: Um
Dan: powers
Dan: a little bit as well.
Gav: I might have to do
Gav: second one again.
Dan: They're all on Disney Plus
Dan: if you've got it.
Dan: Okay, no problems no props.
Gav: Um I used to have them on DVD and I've got to be able to do that.
Gav: Yeah, which uh
Gav: randy I just told you off
Gav: air I found out that he lives just down the road from me in a farm that's lived there for years.
Gav: It's like
Gav: that's so random.
Gav: Um well actually
Gav: uh that's before I get on to that, because I'll get on to that, I'll do just to
Gav: quickly do uh number seven for me was Together, which I thought was fantastic.
Dan: Oh, I'm glad you liked it.
Dan: Because you don't do your body horror very well.
Gav: No, no, Sarah said that.
Gav: That's why she kept it away from me.
Gav: But I
Gav: watched it and I was like, that was absolutely fine.
Gav: It's okay.
Gav: I thought
Gav: because
Gav: I thought it was
Gav: that dude
Gav: stuck in
Gav: his
Gav: girlfriend sexually
Gav: for the whole movie, in my head that's how it kind of made it come across to me
Gav: what it's gonna be like
Gav: ,
Gav: it was like
Gav: buried
Gav: but
Gav: Buried in muff, you know.
Gav: Yeah, buried in vagina.
Gav: And I was just like, I th
Gav: I don't wanna watch that.
Gav: And it wasn't that
Gav: Um
Gav: and it was a really good movie and I really enjoyed it.
Gav: Um
Gav: definite
Gav: recommend.
Gav: Um I'll quickly f run through some
Gav: eight
Gav: uh I did Idle
Gav: Hands
Gav: um
Gav: it was on Netflix.
Gav: I've not seen Idle Hands in ages so Sarah and I
Gav: did that
Gav: I haven't watched it.
Gav: It was alright.
Gav: It was comical
Gav: at first and
Gav: kind of after
Gav: while we kind of started getting
Gav: bored.
Gav: It's
Gav: very 90s.
Gav: Very, very.
Dan: It's a very 90s
Dan: stone
Dan: sound.
Dan: And I didn't see it
Dan: Oh
Dan: yeah.
Dan: No, so I have
Dan: never quite got the hype.
Dan: I've seen that three or four times now.
Dan: And I've watched it again recently,
Dan: a couple of weeks ago, and I was just like, yeah, this is fine
Dan: But it
Dan: uh
Dan: 'cause I never grew up with it.
Gav: I don't think you need to watch it as many times
Gav: you have if you don't like it, so just give up on it if it's not working.
Gav: And it was and
Gav: I loved it and I watched it again and I was
Gav: like nah
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Uh
Gav: but then getting on to number nine, I did actually check out below a new TV show on Netflix with Josh Hartner
Gav: and um it was
Gav: really
Gav: it
Gav: the concept was okay.
Gav: It's like there's a monster under the water, that's the concept
Gav: But then the writing was really, really weak.
Gav: Like
Gav: really
Gav: I wouldn't I don't pick up on this.
Gav: If I was watching a TV show, I generally don't pick up on writing really so much
Gav: a week, but this was really weak
Gav: I was
Gav: watching with Sarah and
Gav: be
Gav: like, so
Gav: why
Gav: why why if
Gav: these two
Gav: want to get money off this one guy?
Gav: They've taken two airplanes following him, gone to a town and lived at a town for a while
Gav: Just to get some money off him.
Gav: Why didn't they stop him before he got in the first airplane and say where's our fucking money?
Gav: Shit like that.
Gav: It's just like
Gav: what
Gav: And it's just really, really weak writing.
Gav: Um
Gav: and it was really evident and I don't know if there's nepotism involved
Gav: or producers
Gav: are a bit of fucking thick and just like
Gav: Yeah, that's brilliant.
Gav: Let's let's spend a lot of money and make it.
Gav: And the the uh the worst thing I think is probably the accents.
Gav: Why have they all got ac those accents?
Gav: Let's just not bother.
Gav: It may be geographically correct
Gav: But it sounded terrible.
Gav: There's a dude from the
Gav: Stranger Things
Gav: in it.
Gav: So
Gav: it's quite I think he's badly cast
Gav: because everybody knows him from Stranger Things.
Gav: And so h his
Gav: accent
Gav: is that
Gav: I don't know if you can try and do it.
Gav: I don't know where it was.
Gav: It's kind of
Gav: trying to like almost Irish I don't know
Gav: it was just weird
Gav: so
Gav: uh
Gav: I
Gav: don't
Gav: think I recommend it
Dan: fair enough
Dan: Yeah, I've I I
Dan: heard not good things about it.
Gav: Number ten
Gav: for me was Hellraiser.
Gav: Number eleven
Gav: Creep Show Two because I managed to pick up a videotape of it.
Gav: So
Gav: uh
Gav: number
Gav: twelve was The Gorge, which is on Apple TV.
Gav: I've got an Apple subscription at the moment.
Gav: Uh, The Gorge
Gav: is uh do you know about it?
Gav: I
Dan: 've heard of it, I've
Dan: but I
Dan: sort of I don't
Gav: it's a movie about
Gav: Uh every year
Gav: these two new guards who are
Gav: like
Gav: need to be posted, or
Gav: multiple guards need to be posted, looking over this gorge with towers either side.
Gav: And it's all foggy and basically they're keeping the monsters from hell out.
Dan: Nice.
Gav: That concept
Gav: is good.
Gav: Then things happen and then they go down there.
Gav: Actually at one point the monsters come out and they're like tree monsters with like trees and it's like, well that's not scary
Gav: If that's coming out of hell, I'm not scared of it.
Gav: It's a tree.
Gav: That's
Gav: it's not scary.
Gav: And I think it was um
Gav: the filmmaker
Gav: was the dude from Doctor Strange director
Gav: and uh
Gav: Sinister
Dan: Scott Derrickson.
Gav: Yeah, and uh Cargo
Gav: Cargill was the rioter 'cause Tiff
Gav: was working on it.
Gav: You know Tiffany?
Dan: Oh yeah,
Gav: yeah.
Gav: Um
Gav: I think she got fired though
Gav: for some reason.
Gav: I don't know why.
Gav: Um
Gav: and
Gav: uh
Gav: sh
Gav: uh
Gav: it's not good.
Gav: Um it's the concept's good and it starts off okay and then it kinda just wasn't very good
Gav: I don't really
Gav: recommend it either.
Dan: By the way, you haven't said what your number one, two, three, four, and five and six are yet.
Gav: I did I did on the f
Gav: uh
Gav: last show.
Dan: Uh did you I do apologize?
Dan: Very very quickly
Gav: Prometheus Coraline Backramps Simpson Halloween specials and alien
Gav: confident.
Gav: Um
Dan: You did, I'm so sorry.
Gav: Number 13, I did the Kindred, uh an A
Gav: movie from 1984
Gav: Four.
Gav: Um
Gav: which
Gav: was really
Gav: oozy
Gav: and gooey.
Gav: It's on YouTube.
Gav: It was
Gav: really
Gav: like
Gav: oh
Gav: at times
Gav: me and Sarah are like oh that's disgusting
Gav: lots of slimy
Gav: shit going on
Gav: tentacles and things
Dan: I used to l look at the cover of that in the video
Dan: shop over and over and over again and
Dan: see this film.
Gav: Yeah, me and Sarah we've got to this point where
Gav: like
Gav: we need to try and discover
Gav: Prime does it well, but trying to discover 80s gems which you've not seen.
Gav: Trying
Gav: to find that one thing like Indiana Jones looking for the lost treasure or something.
Gav: You're just trying to find some movies.
Gav: So I looked up like uh
Gav: ultimate
Gav: hundred
Gav: best
Gav: hundred
Gav: unknown 80s horror movies.
Gav: I'm just still like finding lists and find stuff.
Gav: I found some bits and bobs.
Gav: Um
Gav: uh
Gav: yeah so
Gav: number 14 Halloween 4
Gav: just
Gav: it's the season I put it on the background while I was
Gav: tidying up
Gav: And number 15, kind of enjoyed it at first, but then it kind of outstayed its welcome
Gav: a bit like the gorge, was Resident Evil
Gav: Raccoon City
Dan: Yes, is this
Dan: this is the for the
Dan: live
Dan: action one
Dan: where it's all mainly around a PlayStation
Dan: Or is it the cartoon?
Gav: No, uh
Gav: no, it's a it's a movie, it's a for
Gav: actors.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Yeah, I've seen this one.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: It's very
Dan: I quite enjoyed it.
Gav: I enjoyed it at first, but then like the monsters in it
Gav: looked a bit
Gav: just really good.
Gav: Big massive CGI things.
Gav: Um I liked the atmosphere at first, so the town with all the pour and rain, the lorry
Gav: that
Gav: runs the person over.
Gav: I was really enjoying it and then I felt it outstate its welcome a little bit
Gav: But that's where I'm at at the moment.
Gav: And that's my fifteen
Gav: so far.
Gav: And whenever we come back for the next episode, I've rolled out my last sixteen.
Gav: What have you been watching?
Dan: Well before I get into my list then
Dan: quickly two more adult ones I've watched
Dan: I watched
Dan: I finally got her into the boogeyman which is that Stephen King
Dan: um
Dan: movie that came out.
Gav: Not the 80s movie.
Dan: Not the not the shitty 80s one.
Gav: It's not too bad, but then Booge Man 2
Gav: have you ever seen Boogeyman 2 from the 80s?
Gav: It's basically
Gav: the first movie.
Gav: They've just cut it up.
Gav: It's like
Gav: You can't do that.
Gav: We
Gav: added a couple of little bits but put the first movie in.
Dan: Boogie Man
Dan: 2 Electric Boogie
Dan: Lou
Dan: is it called?
Gav: That should be.
Gav: Do you know Breakdance One and Break Dance Two is coming out in Blu-ray soon?
Gav: November.
Gav: Um
Dan: yeah, the Boogeyman
Dan: was actually one of the
Dan: it I'm not I'm not wasn't scared by it, but it definitely was one of the creepiest films I've sat down and watched.
Dan: late at night
Dan: in a long time.
Dan: It wasn't it wasn't mind blowing.
Dan: I gave it six out of ten.
Dan: But I enjoyed it.
Dan: It dealt with like
Dan: themes of like
Dan: loss and grief
Dan: and
Dan: um
Dan: basically
Dan: children
Dan: not the adults not believing the children, that kind of thing, and the thing in the cupboard and the thing under the bed.
Dan: And there are some really good setups in it.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Dev
Dan: I should imagine the Stephen King short story
Dan: is incredible
Dan: But it was alright, it wasn't too bad.
Dan: The only other one I wanted to mention before I get to my list was I finally
Dan: again it's on Disney Plus.
Dan: I wanted to re-watch
Dan: Frightnight, the remake.
Dan: Um
Dan: because
Dan: I remember really enjoying that
Dan: with
Dan: Colin Farrell.
Gav: Yeah, I did it in the summer and I I
Gav: quite enjoy it.
Gav: It's a
Gav: for a remake it's way more enjoyable than unenjoyable.
Dan: So yeah, I
Dan: my takeaway
Dan: from it, because I think that's probably the second, maybe the third time I've seen it.
Dan: I think it's
Dan: my takeaway
Gav: helps.
Dan: Yes.
Dan: So
Dan: one
Dan: 's one
Dan: Yelch one, well rest in peace.
Dan: He's he's really good in it.
Dan: Um
Dan: Colin Fowrell is just wonderful in it to see him playing such a nasty guy.
Gav: So is David Tennant though, isn't he?
Dan: David Tennant's great in it as well.
Dan: I feel like he's been a bit Russell Brown
Dan: in it
Dan: Almost.
Dan: And I didn't I've never noticed that Chris Sarandon is in it
Dan: briefly as well.
Dan: Um, which is great that he turns up in a
Dan: he's the
Dan: guy who
Dan: uh
Dan: is
Dan: killed in
Dan: park
Dan: highway
Dan: briefly um so that's really cool
Dan: but yeah conum
Dan: farrell is the best thing in it for sure
Dan: um
Dan: and it's obviously got
Dan: um
Dan: What's her name in it from hereditary as well?
Dan: Tony Collette.
Dan: Um
Dan: she's a
Dan: as the mum
Dan: as well, as the mum.
Dan: My only problem with it
Dan: It was brilliant and I thought it was really a much nastier
Dan: film
Dan: than the than the original, because
Dan: the original is very humorous.
Dan: And this has got humour in it.
Dan: My only problem with
Dan: is it really leans into CGI towards the last
Dan: act
Dan: Which is
Dan: which is fine, they were doing what they could do.
Gav: Car
Gav: chasing.
Dan: Yeah, and
Dan: and and even just the way the vampires look
Dan: towards the end, um
Dan: But it's definitely worth
Dan: watching definitely a worthy remake, not like the sequel to the remake, which is appalling, as we all know.
Dan: Um
Dan: so I'll get into my fifteen
Dan: films I've watched.
Dan: Well actually
Dan: I've watched
Dan: eighteen
Dan: now.
Dan: 'Cause my children are like me and we've double billed some.
Dan: Um
Dan: so we've actually watched eighteen
Dan: now.
Dan: I'll very quickly run through this list and I'll quickly give you a brief rundown of what my children thought of them 'cause some of them they they didn't like, and some of them my
Dan: my son
Dan: Couldn't finish.
Dan: My daughter is very much like me.
Dan: She'll sit for a bit all.
Dan: And she actually has to rewind some of the scenes that are a bit more scary or gruesome.
Dan: But
Dan: This is what we've watched.
Dan: So we started with the nightmare before Christmas.
Dan: They both love that.
Dan: They've seen it a million times.
Dan: Don't need to say much about that.
Dan: We went on to Hocus Pocus
Dan: from 1993.
Dan: Jack could not watch that.
Dan: That midler
Dan: scared him far too much.
Dan: Edith loved it.
Gav: That's gonna be a thing here, isn't it?
Gav: Edith is gonna be more uh
Gav: can take it and uh Jack's
Gav: Isn't it?
Gav: Is that what's going on?
Dan: Yeah, he he is the one that's more scared.
Gav: No no
Gav: there's
Gav: no reason.
Gav: You know.
Gav: Not saying because he's male, he should be more brave, nothing like that, but it's just interesting, isn't it?
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Casper
Dan: they both loved and they've both seen a bunch of times.
Dan: So we watched that.
Dan: Then we watched the Adams
Dan: family from 91.
Dan: Again, they
Dan: both seen that multiple time.
Dan: Adam
Dan: 's Family Values
Dan: was the following one.
Dan: They loved that.
Dan: Uh
Dan: Monster House, Jack couldn't sit through it.
Dan: He we've tried to watch that film so many times over the last couple of years.
Dan: And he just cannot
Gav: Yeah, i
Gav: it
Gav: it's it's
Gav: uh
Gav: it's not an evil streak to it on evil
Gav: side, but there's just something there which is a bit more
Gav: Sharper
Gav: than other films, do you know what I mean?
Gav: It's a bit more oof
Gav: at times.
Gav: I can understand that as
Gav: a kid.
Dan: Yeah, he he was too scared of that.
Dan: Sadly, the film the next film we watched was Ghostbusters and they both were bored
Dan: to tears
Dan: during Ghostbusters.
Gav: You told me your
Gav: fan I felt
Gav: I was
Gav: like
Gav: oh
Gav: sorry
Gav: man
Gav: but
Gav: It's a movie from early eighties.
Gav: It was it was quite mature for us when we were kids watching it,
Gav: really, when it comes down to it.
Gav: It's a bunch of
Gav: bunch of fucking dudes that look like our age.
Gav: They're in their thirties.
Gav: And uh just running around being ghostbusters, I can see where
Gav: your
Gav: kids
Gav: can be like, pfft what is this
Dan: They loved Slimer, they loved the marshmallow
Dan: man, they loved the Devil
Dan: Dogs, they loved
Dan: it.
Gav: Terra Dogs.
Dan: Yeah, the chair.
Dan: The chair scared me the same.
Gav: How about how about a librarian?
Gav: Did that scare them?
Gav: Um
Dan: no.
Dan: They wanted to rewind that about three or four times.
Gav: That scared my kids back in the day.
Gav: What is it with kids nowadays?
Dan: They
Dan: they were questioning the chair, Dana's chair, and they asked what
Dan: how they did the hands and I had to explain, you know, there's people puppets behind.
Dan: They couldn't get their head around the marshmallow
Dan: man.
Dan: They were like, but if it's a man in a suit
Dan: How is he as tall as a building?
Dan: I'm like, it's cameras.
Dan: And then they're like, but what do you mean cameras?
Dan: And they're five, so it's I'm like, look, when you're older, I'll explain it to you.
Dan: But basically they've tricked you.
Gav: Explain to them also
Gav: using miniatures
Gav: Miniature buildings and stuff.
Dan: I tried to, but they're just like
Dan: to them Marshall
Dan: was real.
Dan: But
Dan: crushing
Dan: buildings.
Gav: But
Gav: this is why you fall
Gav: in love with movies.
Gav: It's the magic of cinema.
Gav: You don't know how it happens.
Gav: You go on an adventure and you're seeing stuff
Gav: like
Gav: oh my god
Gav: And that's why I
Gav: you know
Gav: When the Marvel films and the CGI and all these graphic effects went over the top, it kind of really took away that that thing you're like, oh, how do they do that?
Gav: Do you know what I mean?
Gav: Which I had with Paranormal
Gav: Activity Show
Gav: Uh I feel like it's all got overused
Gav: with digital effects after a while.
Gav: I'm g
Gav: I think it's I think things are pulling it back a little bit.
Gav: Obviously
Gav: Disney and that they can't they
Gav: make
Gav: superhero movies so you have to kind of uh use those effects to make superhero movies really
Gav: unless they're very grounded, you know, they're not flying and stuff.
Gav: So but I feel like movies are pulling it back a little bit.
Gav: It's a lot more practical nowadays I think
Gav: You know?
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Well
Dan: we'll see with Gremlin
Dan: 3, won't we?
Dan: Um
Gav: Yeah, that's gonna be a tester
Gav: for sure.
Dan: Coraline
Dan: was our next one, which they've never seen before, and
Dan: Jack
Dan: initially was quite scared of it, so we stopped and then the following day we watched it again and this time he was okay with it.
Dan: Edith was so
Dan: into it because it's like a strong female role model and she absolutely loved Caroline.
Dan: It's a great film.
Gav: Elijah asked me to watch it and I was like
Gav: I don't know where it came from.
Gav: He's like, oh can I watch Caroline?
Gav: I was like, yeah, okay, alright.
Gav: And he's really
Gav: and then we did the Bat Rooms
Gav: that I said about as last time, but he's really with me on doing watching my 31 and 31.
Gav: I was like, he doesn't really do movies and horror
Gav: 's not his thing
Gav: But he
Gav: he said to me, I don't really like car
Gav: movies, I like comedies and stuff like that.
Gav: And I was like
Gav: fair enough.
Gav: Um
Gav: but he is really
Gav: into it and he's like, Oh can we do Caroline?
Gav: I was like, Yeah, and I quite quite enjoyed it.
Gav: I hadn't really
Gav: Properly watched it.
Gav: I'd watched it always in the background when it was on with the kids.
Gav: But I'd be like, Dad, can you go do this?
Gav: Yep, so I'd be in and out, in and out, you know
Gav: Um
Dan: the next film we ended up watching and then watching it again, so we watched it twice in a row,
Dan: and that is The Witches from 1990, because
Dan: Rowan Atkinson isn't it, who to them is Mr.
Dan: Bean.
Dan: Um
Dan: and they loved the effects of the witches taking their faces off and and you know, the boys turning into
Dan: mice
Dan: and all that stuff.
Dan: So we we watched it and then we had to go back and watch the whole thing
Dan: thing again the same afternoon.
Dan: So
Dan: we watched that twice in a row.
Dan: I was worried that was gonna scare them, but they loved it.
Gav: Uh i
Gav: it's it is amusing to hear your
Gav: kids are like that
Gav: because
Gav: uh
Gav: that
Gav: or it's just kids that
Gav: I don't know, right?
Gav: Can we watch it again?
Gav: At first
Gav: you're like, yeah, then
Gav: uh
Gav: 88th time.
Gav: You've ruined it for me
Gav: too
Dan: I know.
Dan: Par
Dan: Paranorman, um, they
Dan: both liked it.
Dan: They weren't blown away by it, but they
Dan: they liked some parts of Paranorman.
Dan: That was our next one.
Gav: Many years ago, because I don't worry, I thought you could say Richard V
Gav: Sweet, but made me remember it.
Gav: Many years ago, um
Gav: It was
Gav: when
Gav: Tin Twin Towers
Gav: were taken down.
Gav: I was about to go to America the day after and we couldn't do it so we decided to have a week in London.
Gav: Then we took a Eurostar
Gav: to Paris
Gav: and then we went down to Marseille.
Gav: We got down to Marseille for
Gav: got this really swanky hotel.
Gav: We're in France and the uh
Gav: and and you
Gav: it's that hotel where you could purchase movies.
Gav: And the hotel would have movies.
Gav: The only English speaking movie they
Gav: had was
Gav: Richards of Eastwick
Gav: So we watched it about seven times.
Gav: Because we had nothing else to watch.
Gav: Yeah, so
Gav: I
Gav: watched Richard of Eastwick again, I suppose.
Gav: Very
Gav: true.
Dan: Jesus.
Gav: Yeah, I haven't seen it since
Gav: actually
Dan: Well we stuck with the animated ones for a while now.
Dan: So then we did um
Dan: after paranormal the next day we did Frank and Weenie.
Dan: Um
Dan: which
Dan: they
Dan: I'm a
Dan: I didn't like it as much this time around, but they seem to like it because
Dan: it's a cute little zombie dog they called it, you know.
Gav: Oh, I'm not massively into that.
Dan: It does explore themes of loss and death.
Dan: So they were like, why is the dog but how did the dog die?
Dan: Did he get cut up?
Dan: Is that why he's got stitches all over him?
Dan: When you died, you get cut into pieces.
Dan: And I was like, oh my god, this is not
Dan: what I thought this conversation was gonna be.
Gav: It's alright, Frankie
Gav: Win.
Gav: It's about the dog, isn't it?
Gav: So yeah, it's okay.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Then we did one they've seen so many times and they
Dan: really love
Dan: Corpse
Dan: Bride.
Dan: They love that movie.
Dan: Uh and again I'm not massively into it, but
Dan: it's definitely a cute Tim Burton movie.
Dan: Um
Dan: they
Dan: just love all the creatures
Dan: in it
Dan: After that we did Hotel Transylvania.
Dan: Again, they've seen that so many times.
Dan: I'm kind of bored with that one now, but it is a fun.
Dan: Yeah, really good film.
Dan: And then I know what it
Dan: Many of your
Dan: absolute favourites.
Dan: We did we
Dan: probably the third time this month we bought
Dan: in a Wallace and Gromit the Curse of the Ware Rabbit.
Dan: Um
Dan: that is just such a great
Dan: Easter egg
Dan: filled, British, animated, you know, it's got so many Easter eggs in it.
Gav: It's a very good film.
Dan: Then we did goosebumps,
Dan: Jack Black, and that's great film.
Dan: The werewolf in that is great.
Dan: It's got a
Dan: Sasquatch, it's got loads of creatures in it, that little ventriloquist doll
Dan: slappy.
Dan: And they they really liked that one.
Dan: Then we did Scooby-Doo with Sarah Michelle Gillard, Freddie Prince Jr.
Dan: and Scooby-Doo 2, the sequel, which actually is very good because the sequel's got all the classic cartoon characters from the 60s and 70s, like the
Dan: Ghost
Dan: Diver
Dan: and the Black Knight, but they're all
Dan: real life, you know.
Dan: So that was uh
Dan: for me as an older
Dan: film fan and Scooby-Doo fan, yeah.
Dan: That was great to see
Dan: And then finally, this afternoon, we watched Return to Oz, which isn't necessarily a horror film, but it's definitely one that a lot of people would have had cinema trauma from, with um Faruzabolk, is a very young girl in it.
Gav: I've never seen it.
Dan: Yeah, it's got some terrifying bits in it.
Dan: There's a witch who beheads all the beautiful women in her
Dan: in in Oz
Dan: and she wears their heads
Dan: different head
Dan: each day, um
Dan: depending on who she wants to be.
Dan: It is it's just like that.
Dan: Um, her headless corpse is running around chasing Dorothy at one point and there's these guys who are called the wheelers who've got like wheels on their hands and feet instead of hands and feet and they wheel around squeaking their wheels everywhere.
Dan: And it's just quite
Dan: generally quite terrifying but i think that's probably the second or third time they've seen it and they really like that film
Dan: so that's where we're at
Dan: um
Dan: I've got another
Dan: 10 to watch with them or whatever it might be
Dan: and we're finishing up
Dan: with
Dan: on
Dan: s
Dan: because
Dan: Halloween's on a Saturday this year.
Gav: I know, I know.
Gav: Yep.
Dan: So we're gonna watch Hubie
Dan: Halloween in the afternoon before we go out.
Dan: Um
Dan: they've seen that before, but they love it.
Dan: And uh
Dan: Yeah we're gonna watch that on Saturday afternoon before we go out trick-or-treating and um that's gonna be fun
Dan: fun day actually that'll be.
Gav: I DJed
Gav: uh
Gav: uh
Gav: in a town near me, uh
Gav: at the pub, the Corbett pub.
Gav: Oh
Gav: shit I did the Halloween party which is really good fun
Gav: actually.
Gav: Um
Gav: and they wanted me to do it again this year and I said yes and then the lodger's like
Gav: no you're not it's Halloween you're staying in with us
Gav: and I was like
Gav: fair enough
Gav: so I can't
Gav: rang him up
Gav: said I'm cancelling I can't DJ you have to get another DJ
Gav: Um
Gav: because
Gav: even
Gav: though it's really fun and I like
Gav: DJing
Gav: 'cause I could play loads of fucking s
Gav: Halloween
Gav: stuff and go
Gav: and and get all these loads of people dancing to Ghostbusters and stuff.
Gav: So the only time a year you could
Gav: play Ghostbusters
Gav: people dance to it, you know
Gav: Um
Gav: but no we're gonna stay in.
Gav: Uh I'm looking forward to trickle
Gav: tree and and then
Gav: back to the house 'cause the kids have moved now and they're in a place which is like yours, so it's very like
Gav: people
Gav: access it easily.
Gav: Um
Gav: so we're gonna get back and watch Halloween
Gav: and movies.
Gav: Um
Gav: Daisy's like
Gav: I want to watch the original Halloween with you.
Gav: I was like
Gav: alright cool.
Gav: So um
Gav: yeah
Gav: I'm looking forward to it on a Saturday night this time it should be quite good
Dan: I'm probably gonna watch the original Halloween.
Dan: I'm gonna stay up late that night and gonna watch
Dan: get a few in and I think definitely Halloween
Dan: will be one of them.
Dan: It's kind of a tradition, isn't it, really?
Dan: You've got to watch it.
Gav: This
Gav: this intro is massive.
Dan: Oh, we're finished.
Gav: Hey.
Gav: Well, thank you for
Gav: the.
Gav: If you've got this far, thanks very much.
Dan: Well, it's Halloween, it's a Halloween special, isn't it?
Gav: Let's talk about spooky
Gav: stuff.
Dan: So, Gav, you've selected
Dan: Hellraiser
Dan: for us.
Gav: Yeah, I
Gav: know.
Gav: I c
Gav: I'd
Gav: get a little hoverbox.
Gav: It's such an interesting movie and
Gav: watching it again.
Gav: We're gonna
Gav: really
Gav: get into this.
Gav: But yeah, uh
Gav: get our puzzle boxes out, uh
Gav: do some little clickety clicks.
Gav: Um
Gav: and
Gav: uh see what happens.
Gav: What if it's what if there's kids out there
Gav: Yeah,
Gav: nipple rings.
Gav: One of those really fast uh Rubik's Q
Gav: people
Gav: reckon they could do a really fast
Gav: hellraiser
Gav: box.
Gav: Loads of cinder boxes going, What are you doing?
Gav: Why?
Dan: Did you see that?
Dan: An eight-year-old broke the world record the other day.
Dan: Did it in like ten
Dan: seconds or something?
Gav: Weird.
Dan: It's crazy.
Gav: Anyway, here is a trailer
Gav: For
Gav: 1987
Gav: 's.
Gav: How
Gav: raise that?
Hellraiser Trailer: I have seen the future of horror.
Hellraiser Trailer: His name is Clive Barker.
Hellraiser Trailer: Hellraiser.
Hellraiser Trailer: Beyond any terror you have imagined.
Hellraiser Trailer: A nightmare.
Hellraiser Trailer: No.
Hellraiser Trailer: Unlike anything you have witnessed.
Hellraiser Trailer: is born
Hellraiser Trailer: because
Hellraiser Trailer: within these walls
Hellraiser Trailer: the unholy is
Hellraiser Trailer: unleashed
Hellraiser Trailer: Hell Razor, a film by Clive Barker.
Hellraiser Trailer: We'll tear your soul up.
Gav: Hellraiser
Gav: from nineteen
Gav: eighty
Gav: seven.
Gav: A woman discovers the needy resurrected partially formed body of her brother-in-law and lover.
Gav: Straight away you'd
Gav: You'd run, wouldn't you, really?
Gav: She starts killing for him.
Gav: Oh, of course you
Gav: do.
Gav: To redevitalize his body and escape the demonic beans
Gav: that are pursuing him after he escapes their underworld
Gav: Mental
Gav: fucking mental synopsis.
Gav: Absolutely bonkers.
Gav: What the fuck's this movie?
Gav: And it's called Hellraiser.
Gav: There's a dude with pins all over his face and front cover.
Gav: What the fuck?
Gav: Hellraiser, Daniel?
Dan: Yes, yes.
Dan: Yes.
Dan: This is obviously based on a book, uh Clive Barker's book, um, The Hellbang Heart.
Gav: Have you read
Dan: which I believe was
Dan: I've not read it.
Dan: I believe it's set in Liverpool in in England.
Dan: Um
Dan: but they changed
Dan: obviously to America.
Dan: Um
Dan: he wanted to
Dan: to
Dan: him
Dan: and direct it himself.
Dan: Um
Dan: the budget was just
Dan: under
Dan: or rumored to be just over, but the the legend is just under one
Dan: million.
Dan: Very tight budget.
Dan: Um
Gav: very quickly you said that they
Gav: moved to America but th but this film's set in L
Gav: England, in London.
Gav: It's not set in America.
Dan: Oh, of course it is, yes, sorry, yes.
Dan: They've just changed the location to London.
Dan: Yeah, yeah.
Dan: Um
Dan: uh
Dan: It
Dan: made
Dan: about 18 million
Dan: the box office.
Dan: So it did really well.
Dan: Direction.
Gav: Debut from Clive Barker as well, which I almost argued
Gav: with Andrew Robinson when I was speaking to him last year.
Gav: 'Cause he is going to be no it's Claude's first movie and I was about to say to him, No, don't
Gav: I was about to start going off on one saying no it's fucking
Gav: um
Gav: uh
Gav: rawhead wrecks, but he didn't direct rawhead wrecks, he wrote Rawhead Rex.
Gav: I don't think he directed
Gav: Um
Dan: it was when they were changing the title from the Hellbone Heart, because the studio didn't like that, they thought that was like a romance novel, a romance name.
Dan: So Clive Barker
Dan: suggested
Dan: This
Dan: title, which I think would have been a brilliant title, but they didn't like this title either.
Dan: The title he suggested
Dan: was
Dan: Pseudomasochists from Beyond the Grave.
Dan: My
Gav: friend
Gav: once
Gav: uh
Gav: bought my other friend for Christmas present, him and his girlfriend but uh bought him this book and it's a Clive Barker.
Gav: I don't know why, because he wasn't a horror fan.
Gav: Bought Miss Clive Barker book 'cause they thought the artwork was right really good and he'd like it, because he's an artist and it was just all dicks.
Gav: It's just just loads of dicks.
Dan: Amazing.
Gav: Funny enough though, my friend came out of the closet a few years later
Dan: Oh, there we go.
Gav: So
Gav: it is actually quite apt, but yes.
Gav: He's only directed
Gav: six things, by the way.
Dan: Yeah, he's
Dan: he's not
Dan: I'm quite happy with that because when he does direct it's alright.
Gav: Yeah, because it was correct.
Gav: So you did a couple of short films, Hellraiser, Night Breed, Lord of Illusions, and Salom and
Gav: the Forbeget
Gav: Forbidden
Gav: Which I've actually got on videotape.
Gav: I picked up this random Clive Barker
Gav: movie on videotape called Sullum
Gav: and for the Forbidden, but I've never seen it.
Gav: I don't know what the fuck it is
Gav: Uh
Dan: to keep the budget low
Dan: they
Dan: they bought bulk
Dan: uh
Dan: condoms, lube, latex
Dan: um
Dan: and basically used that for a lot of the sticky effects.
Dan: That was how they kept the budgets nice and low as well.
Dan: And Fly
Dan: Barker even hand animated some of the uh animation himself for some of the effects.
Dan: So that's how they kept it around about a million.
Dan: It's
Dan: unbelievable we've never covered it.
Dan: Um
Gav: It's criminal.
Dan: It's definitely
Dan: it's definitely
Dan: a legacy is
Dan: you know it's not a film
Dan: gods film we've said off
Dan: air you know it's not quite
Gav: it's it's
Dan: the thing is it's
Gav: it's almost close to it
Gav: It is
Gav: for a first
Gav: time movie and i
Gav: like in the budget world of horror movies, it's so close to it.
Gav: The mu
Gav: before
Gav: I know we could get on to it, but uh
Gav: the music score, for example, is
Gav: is
Gav: is
Gav: b
Gav: breathtaking at times.
Gav: It's cr
Gav: huge, epic, orchestral, you know.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: And he was inspired by um
Dan: Barker
Dan: was inspired by real
Dan: life things.
Dan: Um obviously when he wrote the novel, but obviously when he directed this as well, such as a puzzle.
Dan: puzzle box that his grandfather brought back um
Dan: from Asia for him when he was a kid and he was fascinated with this puzzle box and trying to
Dan: work it out.
Gav: Must have been so cool to
Gav: start
Gav: thinking up 'cause I lo I love coming up with ideas for movies.
Gav: I I re I I'm realistic and realise that they might not ever get made.
Gav: But
Gav: y
Gav: when you're in your own little world in your head and you can make any movie do anything you want, I bet this was great when he got in.
Gav: He started spawning the idea
Gav: as a kid of the box.
Gav: Do you know what I mean?
Gav: That must have been really cool
Gav: Well
Dan: and even the Cenobites, he was inspired by some SM clubs that he visited in New York and Amsterdam
Dan: and that inspired
Dan: the look of the Cenobites, you know?
Gav: That's hilarious.
Gav: Because
Gav: yeah, they are sort of all
Gav: levery
Gav: and shit, aren't they?
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Um
Dan: yeah, they almost made a Hellraiser
Dan: versus
Dan: or Pinhead versus Michael movie, didn't they, as well at one point.
Dan: That was really close to being made, but it never quite happened, thankfully
Dan: The only
Dan: reason the BBFC were
Dan: cross with this movie was because they thought that the rats that were nailed to the wall were real rats
Dan: and they had to prove to them that they were fake rats.
Dan: Everything else
Dan: was absolutely fine in this film.
Dan: Just not the rats.
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: Um
Dan: yeah, and obviously we've said it's it's spawned a legacy
Dan: now.
Dan: There are multiple sequels
Dan: um
Dan: which
Gav: of
Gav: different degrees.
Dan: Yeah
Dan: ,
Dan: varying degrees.
Dan: So there's Hellraiser
Dan: 2.
Gav: I was gonna say
Dan: got
Gav: to the point when uh
Gav: I
Gav: they started getting really bad.
Gav: I don't know who had the rights for them off or what, but it's people who were
Gav: Not very good at making films.
Gav: Well
Gav: making
Gav: them
Gav: and it's just like what's happened to this?
Gav: It's just kind of gone off the rails.
Gav: It's like literally someone's come along, managed to get their rights
Gav: Who are not filmmakers and let's make a movie, let's make a Hellraise movie.
Gav: They got really bad.
Dan: I think what happened was
Dan: similarly to Alien vs.
Dan: Predator
Dan: Requiem
Dan: and
Dan: um
Dan: A couple of other franchises
Dan: is basically
Dan: they had a script floating around
Dan: and then they'd attach
Dan: pinhead
Dan: to it
Dan: And then just say, now
Dan: it's a Hellraiser
Dan: film.
Dan: Do you know what I mean?
Gav: Oh yeah, because there's that
Gav: occasionally like
Gav: Pinhead will just turn up right at the end, that sort of thing, something.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Yes
Dan: So
Dan: the first three films, so Hellraiser 1 is what we're discussing.
Dan: Hellraiser
Dan: 2, which came out in 1988, a year later, that's pretty good.
Dan: And how
Dan: it's a direct sequel.
Dan: And Hellraiser
Dan: 3, Hell on Earth, came out
Dan: in 1992
Dan: and that's not too bad either.
Dan: I would highly recommend you stop at number three.
Dan: After that we got Hellraiser
Dan: Bloodline
Dan: which was 1996
Dan: uh then we had hellraiser inferno which is appalling
Dan: in uh
Dan: 2000
Dan: then
Dan: we got hellraiser
Dan: um
Dan: resurrection
Dan: In 2000
Dan: Hellraiser
Dan: Hellseeker?
Gav: Hellraiser
Gav: Hellseeker?
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: What
Gav: what
Gav: what
Gav: are they about?
Gav: What's the plot for Hellraiser
Gav: Hellseat?
Dan: They're all completely different.
Dan: It's all to do with different people who
Dan: come across the box.
Dan: I mean there
Dan: there's a ton of them.
Dan: I'm not gonna go through them all.
Dan: There's about f twelve sequels now.
Dan: And obviously
Dan: there was the remake which came out
Dan: Or the reboot which came out um
Gav: And that was fine.
Dan: Yeah I haven't seen it but I've heard it's alright.
Dan: But there is
Gav: a couple times
Dan: There's a ton of entries on IMTB.
Dan: There's 20
Dan: If they include all the video games, there's about 30 odd
Dan: things on here, which are short films, franchise, sequels, it's just.
Dan: .
Dan: I would highly recommend you stop at number three.
Dan: Because Pinhead, much like Michael's Mask in some of those sequels, Pinhead looks terrible because it's not Doug Bradley in some of them either.
Dan: But yeah, one, two, and three are decent, good
Dan: little trilogy.
Dan: Number one is the best, and that's what we are going to be discussing.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: So I
Dan: I first saw this film
Dan: It's about
Dan: 16, so I was a bit late
Dan: to it.
Dan: And there was a girl I've talked about in the past,
Dan: just a friend at college who had a load of horror movies on DVD.
Dan: Oh, sorry, on video.
Dan: Demons.
Dan: um
Dan: don't look
Dan: now
Dan: uh
Dan: candyman
Dan: hell
Dan: razor
Dan: she lent me loads of them and i actually went to her house and we watched in the same
Dan: day
Dan: we watched Candyman and Hellraiser.
Dan: I think that was the first time I'd
Dan: seen both of them.
Dan: So I always tie this movie in.
Dan: It's got a similar feel to Candyman, because it's kind of set in like a a gritty
Dan: urban location, um
Dan: and it's kind of like there's hooks in it and flesh ripping and stuff like that.
Dan: So
Dan: f
Dan: I watched them both in the same afternoon with this girl and I was just like, this is
Dan: absolutely what
Dan: is going on?
Dan: And I think
Dan: particularly with
Dan: with
Dan: pinhead and with the Hellraiser, I was like, Am I alright to feel a bit horny
Dan: watching this?
Dan: Some of this is a bit horny, you know, there's some good sex scenes in this, but also then there's like
Dan: people's skin getting ripped apart
Dan: and
Dan: these
Dan: weird sort of SNM
Dan: demons.
Dan: I don't know.
Dan: I was very confused about
Dan: sixteen or seventeen when I was watching this.
Dan: Um
Dan: but it definitely stuck with me and
Dan: probably
Dan: probably seen it half a dozen times now throughout my life.
Dan: Not as many as
Dan: other
Dan: franchises
Dan: but I always enjoy it when I come back to it.
Dan: Do you remember your first time, Gav?
Gav: That feels appropriate for
Gav: when you're talking about Hellraiser
Gav: to say that.
Dan: Yeah, yeah
Gav: Clive Barker
Gav: is
Gav: gay
Gav: and uh
Gav: I think it shines through.
Gav: Like I said earlier, it did a book of willies.
Gav: I think it shines through
Gav: in his films, you know,
Gav: especially this movie, not
Gav: you say the BDSM type thing.
Gav: So I feel like when you say
Gav: when's your first time watching Hellraiser, it does seem appropriate.
Gav: Um
Gav: I watched this at a very young age, so I
Gav: would have been ten
Gav: when this came out.
Gav: Uh
Dan: yeah.
Gav: But I didn't watch it at ten.
Gav: I think it's probably eleven or twelve.
Gav: Um
Gav: and I
Gav: was very
Gav: confused
Gav: I didn't know sex, I didn't understand sex.
Gav: Um
Gav: I've always thought of sex as quite a loving
Gav: thing really.
Gav: I've kn
Gav: my
Gav: in my personal life I've not had a huge amount of partners sort of thing
Gav: do you know what I mean but it's I I've always found it quite a a a a special thing I feel like
Gav: used to have sort of thing
Gav: And this movie had this woman who would go out in the daytime
Gav: ,
Gav: just
Gav: pick up guys in bars.
Gav: So this was all all new to me.
Gav: Seeing this stuff is
Gav: like, oops, so
Gav: this couldn't happen
Gav: so there's bars
Gav: because I was like eleven or twelve.
Gav: And
Gav: then
Gav: she would take them back to her house
Gav: and go to have sex with
Gav: them but then hit them with a hammer on the head and I have
Gav: uh
Gav: it's
Gav: It's
Gav: like people don't like
Gav: uh
Gav: blades going
Gav: into eyes and stuff like that sort of thing.
Gav: I don't like hammers and heads.
Gav: I'm not a fan.
Gav: It happens in
Gav: um
Gav: uh
Gav: kill
Gav: list and I remember being at Freut Fest going, oh my god, oh
Gav: oh
Gav: 'cause it's done so well
Gav: and
Gav: it's one of my things I don't like
Gav: so
Gav: This whole movie to me
Gav: was
Gav: I watched it
Gav: once and I was just like
Gav: no
Gav: no
Gav: don't
Gav: want to watch that again
Gav: then
Gav: this girl
Gav: Who
Gav: this is getting into my person
Gav: this is really in my personal life.
Gav: I lost my Vin
Gav: Venigancy
Gav: to a goth.
Gav: The same goth said, I think you left this at my house.
Gav: And there's a videotape of Hellraiser
Gav: But
Gav: being me, I won't go lay up a free videotape and say that wasn't mine.
Gav: That was fucking high off that.
Gav: And then I watched it again
Gav: and
Gav: um
Gav: understood it a bit better because I was older, you know.
Gav: Um
Gav: but it was
Gav: it was I don't know this film
Gav: you're right in saying like
Gav: did you feel a bit sexy this
Gav: There's such a weirdness to this film.
Gav: It's so raw.
Gav: Oh, I don't know.
Gav: It's such a good film.
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: I feel like it's hard too much to talk about.
Gav: There's so much good stuff going on in this movie
Dan: Well the subject matter uh
Dan: demons and all that aside, the subject matter that I was exposed to at sixteen
Dan: seventeen was stuff that I just didn't know about, like S and M, like
Dan: pleasure and pain.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Uh and they talk about that, you know, the Pinhead says, like, to experience the re
Dan: I think Frank says to experience
Dan: pleasure more, you've got to suffer pain as well.
Dan: And then it's like
Dan: where do you draw the line between pleasure and pain?
Dan: And I didn't really understand all of that, you know, and I've not
Dan: hold my hands up.
Dan: I'm not
Dan: I'm not into SNM.
Dan: But
Dan: I know that some people are and
Dan: you know, I'm not gonna like
Dan: shame kink shame anyone, but
Dan: and there's degrees of it, you know, there's there's varying degrees of whether you just like
Dan: to be spanked or whether you like to have hooks put in your skin or whatever, but
Dan: This
Dan: I didn't understand what that was about.
Dan: And so it's taking all these years for me to understand that that is
Dan: there's a world out there.
Dan: Yeah, there's a world out there where people love
Dan: To be strangled, you know, whatever it is they might it might be into.
Dan: So
Dan: this was
Dan: really brave
Dan: to put this
Dan: because he wrote this as
Dan: a novel and a novel anything goes, but when you turn it into a
Dan: a film in nineteen eighty seven
Dan: and a studio gives you a million pounds to make it.
Dan: Wow, you know
Gav: British build
Gav: bro
Gav: British broadcast film classification
Gav: would
Gav: have been still pretty
Gav: higher
Gav: checking stuff out
Gav: um
Gav: so I imagine this
Gav: definitely passed their
Gav: their eyes and made them go
Gav: hmm
Gav: um
Gav: it
Gav: does
Gav: work
Gav: with
Gav: it's really interesting
Gav: because you look at this movie in a different way as well.
Gav: When you're younger you're kind of told about religion, you're told there's a god, you're told there's a heaven and
Gav: stuff.
Gav: And as you grow older, you
Gav: whatever beliefs you have, you have.
Gav: Um I respect everybody and everybody's belief and I have my own obviously
Gav: beliefs
Gav: as an individual person.
Gav: And this movie in
Gav: a sense
Gav: felt like it was
Gav: they
Gav: were the guardians of hell and they're coming up and taking people to hell.
Gav: So does the so
Gav: In some sense
Gav: you go
Gav: watch this movie
Gav: go, so
Gav: so there must be a heaven and a god
Gav: if
Gav: these
Gav: these are like
Gav: he says like
Gav: s to some
Gav: we're angels, he says at one point, Pinhead
Gav: says.
Gav: And
Gav: such interesting words to say.
Gav: It uh you know, some see us as angels because they're looking at you going, Oh, that's that's the people
Gav: want
Gav: the pain.
Gav: They're going, Oh
Gav: my god, this is amazing.
Gav: And it's so interesting to look at the concept
Gav: if you could
Gav: get
Gav: get
Gav: biblical, looking at the concept of how it's described and how hell it's described, and going like, you know, w
Gav: y
Gav: these people are taken down to have these
Gav: pains
Gav: f
Gav: uh uh
Gav: for the rest of their lives
Gav: or
Gav: for eternity
Gav: sorry
Gav: uh in hell you know
Gav: to be whatever
Gav: done
Dan: because they want it
Gav: and some of them
Gav: might want it like it as pleasure and stuff and some people would look at that and go
Gav: that's fucking amazing
Gav: So
Gav: in my head
Gav: younger as I watch it as well
Gav: This room that they go into
Gav: this loft room or whatever room upstairs
Gav: it's like
Gav: this is the
Gav: gateway to hell
Gav: so
Gav: It did me
Gav: it did make
Gav: in my head go, that means
Gav: what so
Gav: there's a heaven as well, but it's not really said.
Gav: And I imagine Clive Barker
Gav: wasn't thinking that in any sense at all.
Gav: But if you're going one way you feel like if there's demons, there's there's sign
Gav: cows.
Gav: Do you know what I mean?
Gav: And I'm not really
Gav: I'm not I I'm not a religious person
Dan: myself.
Dan: And I do think that um
Dan: what
Dan: you know, Frank's death right at the end, his final death, he's pretty much coming
Dan: as he's dying.
Dan: It's almost like he's coming because it's just the most
Dan: pleasure he's ever felt, even though he's been ripped to shreds.
Dan: And that's what these people are are seeking, Frank
Dan: especially.
Dan: He's looking for the ultimate high, even if it means
Dan: bit and
Dan: being ripped to pieces
Dan: because he's he's done it all and and that's explored and we'll get into it more but that's
Dan: explored with his sexual relationship with Julia.
Dan: They try
Dan: there's one point where she's like
Dan: I'll do anything.
Dan: And he's like, we can do anything.
Dan: And you don't we don't know, we don't see what it is they do, probably like anal
Dan: and whatever else it might be, but it seems like they're
Dan: they've reached
Dan: the limits of everything they can do sexually
Dan: and he's like, No, I need more.
Dan: I need more.
Dan: You know, uh
Dan: and
Dan: be careful what you wish for, I guess, because he finally gets the
Dan: the
Dan: the the
Dan: the
Dan: um
Dan: What's the box called?
Dan: Um
Dan: I never remember the name of it.
Gav: I can't think what the box is actually called.
Gav: Yeah, it's just the puzzle
Gav: the puzzle box.
Dan: The lament
Dan: configuration, that's it.
Dan: He finally gets that, which then
Dan: gives him even more access to
Dan: I guess
Dan: more pleasure in in the in the form of more pain.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: And it's like this is the only way I can
Dan: like
Dan: like a drug addict, the only way I can get higher and higher and higher is to do darker and darker things.
Dan: You know
Dan: I don't know, I guess it's like and he is addicted to it.
Dan: And s and Julia becomes addicted to it because she's bringing more and more guys home as part of her addiction.
Dan: Because she can't wait to have sex with Frank again, you know?
Dan: Because it was so good.
Gav: Um
Gav: and there's a bit in this uh which is really, really interesting.
Gav: I caught this when I saw uh they played it.
Gav: Uh I've seen it in the cinema with Sarah and I watched it at
Gav: Prince Charles
Gav: cinema as well
Gav: Uh Nicholas Vince
Gav: who plays the Teeth Chatterer
Gav: did like a little introduction to
Gav: when he played it at Prince Charles.
Gav: I know Nick from Go
Gav: to Freut Fest and stuff.
Gav: Um and I was hoping he was gonna get on here to do some talking about uh his experience as the Teeth Chatterer
Gav: Um but we
Gav: couldn't get that going on.
Gav: But I remember messaging him saying
Gav: how interesting the contrast in juxtaposition it is when they're trying to carry the bed upstairs and Andrew Robinson
Gav: cuts his hand, uh
Gav: that's the dad, cuts his hand on the banister
Gav: nail sticking out, and it it's the grunting of him going upstairs, cuts back to Julia
Gav: reminiscing having sex with Frank
Dan: And the grunt
Dan: in the editor
Gav: and it contrasts back and forward and you've got one which is pain and one which is pleasure going on at the same time.
Gav: Via editing
Gav: you cut them back and forth.
Gav: Gets to the point when she comes, he cuts his hand, blood comes all over his hand
Gav: As she
Gav: comes, or as Frank comes, or
Gav: sheep
Gav: are you
Gav: both
Gav: come.
Gav: Um
Gav: that
Gav: was
Gav: Fascinating, incredible, and for a directional debut, Clive Barker must have prepped the fuck out of this movie to know every little bit.
Gav: of
Gav: how this movie was gonna work.
Gav: And
Dan: bulls of steel that guy.
Dan: So to to to to come and direct this movie
Dan: in ninety
Dan: seven
Dan: years.
Dan: It was shot in eighty six.
Dan: It was shot in eighty six.
Gav: As a low budget film, first
Gav: one movie
Gav: It's absolutely incredible.
Gav: It really is.
Gav: Um
Gav: it is
Gav: so close to film gods.
Gav: So so close.
Dan: E
Dan: everybody every actor in this delivers
Dan: uh in their role as well.
Dan: And
Dan: we do have a l
Dan: some
Dan: light moments, m
Dan: small
Dan: comedic moments here and there.
Dan: Um
Dan: but i
Dan: ultimately it's an incredibly dark and
Dan: twisted film
Dan: Um, but definitely one that deserves your rewatch.
Dan: I'm assuming anyone listening to us reviewing this has seen it.
Dan: It's definitely worth a rewatch.
Gav: I do remember being really hesitant going back to it when I was a later
Gav: teenager
Gav: Like
Gav: really hesitant
Gav: 'cause it felt kind of dark and
Gav: and a world I didn't understand in my head.
Dan: And then and then
Dan: and then let's even just very
Dan: before we get into it, let's even just talk about the cenobites, you know, we'll we'll get onto them all like we've mentioned Nick
Dan: because the teeth chattering, you've got
Dan: Buttable
Dan: but but pinhead, what an image, what a striking image of this
Dan: bold
Dan: white-faced man
Dan: with pins all over his face
Dan: That is just an image that is
Dan: that just screams when you think of Hellraiser
Dan: or Pinhead, you just think of that image, you know.
Gav: Without even any other centipods, just having the character's pinhead
Gav: would have been enough, you know
Gav: Uh uh
Gav: and it is such a thing 'cause you look at that
Gav: and if you
Gav: at first you just thought, Oh my god, the pinheads in
Gav: in its
Gav: in its
Gav: pinnacle
Gav: Do you
Gav: like that?
Gav: In
Gav: in making him
Gav: making him a cult face, a cult status of horror.
Gav: There's gonna be people up there
Gav: Like I've said
Gav: said on the video shop, my YouTube
Gav: channel, um
Gav: look
Gav: look
Gav: know the films
Gav: like
Gav: know Chucky and stuff like that, but don't actually know the original trolls play.
Gav: No Pinhead, but might not have even seen a Hellraiser
Gav: film
Dan: Yeah.
Gav: But they just know it because
Gav: that thing and that look, but if you start like
Gav: we could go with each of the centibotes, go through each one of them.
Gav: But and if you really think about it, it's like
Gav: Those pins are perfectly formed as head.
Gav: So someone
Gav: he was there as a human
Gav: and they actually started nailing pins into him.
Gav: Uh
Gav: nail na nailing
Gav: hitting nails into him.
Gav: Because they're not pins, it should be nail head, really, I suppose.
Gav: Um
Dan: actually the studio was the reason that he was on the poster because
Dan: um
Dan: they didn't want they wanted the Lament
Dan: configuration as the
Dan: Poster?
Dan: Which is the first one?
Dan: As a studio was like, nah no, we need him on the poster.
Dan: That's I think
Dan: he's selling this movie.
Gav: um
Gav: which is called Death
Gav: Trap, which has a puzzle box on the front cover.
Gav: It's a dice
Gav: actually I think.
Gav: But that
Gav: so there's
Gav: sort of going that way, that way
Gav: I suppose.
Gav: But yeah, just going with Pinhead's face
Gav: You don't really know what you're gonna be watching here.
Gav: What the fuck is this?
Gav: And how
Gav: horrible is that?
Gav: And then
Gav: so
Gav: no blood.
Gav: But how horrible is that
Dan: Yeah, and he's not in it much, but when he is in it, he delivers inc some incredible games.
Gav: Less is more.
Gav: The
Gav: centibytes
Gav: that
Gav: they come along about three times is with
Gav: with
Gav: Pinhead, uh
Gav: the hell
Gav: the the demons
Gav: or angels from hell are called upon.
Gav: And
Gav: but it is really
Gav: again
Gav: which I am a avid
Gav: believer in, less is more.
Gav: And I feel like the less
Gav: You don't see them that much, but you don't need to.
Gav: It's it's so memorable, you will remember the
Gav: cenobites.
Gav: You will remember Pinhead.
Dan: It it's almost a vampire love film in a way, 'cause she's feeding these victims to the
Dan: her lover
Dan: You know,
Dan: he needs blood to to
Dan: to become strong.
Dan: He must
Dan: always a vampire look
Gav: he must give some good dick.
Gav: Because she's fucking
Gav: killing people for
Gav: just to get a bit more dick from him.
Gav: God
Gav: damn
Gav: Well
Dan: let's get into that then because it is a really interesting uh chat I think uh this this one from start to finish and like I said there's some humorous moments in it as well.
Dan: Um
Dan: so
Dan: Yeah, we get the score, like you said, a great score, one
Dan: wonderful score.
Dan: And it
Dan: this film is always intrinsically m
Dan: for me
Dan: I always think of Candyman with this and and likewise when I watch Candyman I think of Pinhead, I don't know or Hellraiser.
Dan: I don't know why that is.
Dan: There's a vibe
Dan: between them both.
Dan: There's something about the gritty
Dan: Anything goes sort of vibes
Dan: to the both.
Dan: And we start off in the in the marketplace in the Middle East.
Dan: And someone's selling the Lament
Dan: configuration, this little Rubik's Cube.
Gav: It's
Gav: uh
Gav: it's
Dan: what's your pleasure, sir?
Gav: Uh
Gav: which
Gav: we've gone to a several it's very like uh
Gav: the
Gav: some of the other movies which like it so much, one of them
Gav: very
Gav: much
Gav: you know of
Gav: is uh
Gav: The Exorcist, the first Exorcist, which starts off in a
Gav: different country where was
Gav: something's being discovered
Gav: or something like that.
Gav: And it's the same sort of thing here, but I love this because this has been par
Gav: have you see
Gav: you would have done seen the Treehouse of Horror
Gav: Whereas parody.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Yeah.
Gav: What's your pleasure, sir?
Gav: And they
Gav: and he said,
Gav: but now we have uh
Gav: frozen
Gav: yogurt, which we call frog
Gav: gut.
Gav: Is it day three?
Gav: Yes, but it ha
Gav: hasn't it
Gav: poison?
Gav: Oh, that's bad, yes.
Gav: But it comes with another cup, that's good.
Gav: But the cup is cursed, oh that's bad.
Gav: Very, very funny.
Gav: But I love the fact that they took that for the Simpsons
Gav: as well.
Dan: So
Dan: correct me if I'm wrong, is
Dan: this Pinhead?
Dan: Is this
Dan: Hellraise
Dan: um
Dan: Doug Bradley or is this Frank buying this box?
Gav: Oh no, this is Frank.
Gav: Frank's bunt bolt.
Dan: This is Frank, okay.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: I think you see
Dan: Doug
Gav: as uh uh uh
Gav: military personnel, if I remember.
Gav: That's right.
Gav: Yeah
Dan: That's right.
Dan: Okay, yeah.
Dan: So he buys this box, he takes it back and he works on it
Dan: and if
Dan: he solves it and it kind of twists and
Dan: does this cool
Gav: Wait
Gav: Do you kinda discover with this guy that he is a dude that's just
Gav: but he's the sort of guy who's extreme
Gav: I've done extreme stuff
Gav: Dude!
Gav: I've jumped out
Gav: like
Gav: it's like Tom Cruise, but he's like the cult version.
Gav: He's like, I've done fucking everything, man.
Gav: But now what I want to do is go and ride my surfboarder to hell.
Gav: That sort of thing.
Gav: That's the kind of way he's coming across.
Gav: He's like, I've done everything.
Gav: I'm gonna go to this fucking country where someone's told me there's a puzzle box where you can actually bring up fucking demons from hell.
Gav: and give you like proper pain.
Gav: Oh, that's what I'm gonna go searching for.
Gav: Okay.
Gav: I
Gav: p
Gav: I
Gav: g uh
Gav: looking at it that way, he probably shags like a like a
Gav: the best shagger ever, I'm presuming.
Gav: And that's why
Gav: That's why
Gav: uh
Gav: Kirsty wants
Gav: not Kirsty, Julia
Gav: wants a bit.
Gav: Not c
Gav: not
Gav: uh
Gav: Uncle Frank, come
Gav: to
Gav: daddy
Dan: Oh I know, I know.
Gav: It's Uncle Frank.
Gav: Come to Daddy's.
Gav: Oh
Dan: So he wor
Dan: he works out the puzzle, he op
Dan: and it opens.
Dan: Um
Dan: it's a great little prop
Dan: 'Cause it's all practical.
Dan: Um
Dan: some
Dan: little lights flicker
Dan: out of it, um and then all of a sudden these hooks kind of shoot out and we see them go into his skin and that's kind of all we we see of Frank at that point
Dan: Um
Dan: and then we cut to
Dan: a room full of chains everywhere, hooks and chains, and pieces of flesh everywhere
Dan: Uh and we're not quite sure what's happened.
Dan: Something bad seems to have happened to him.
Dan: And then the Cenobites arrive.
Dan: We
Dan: see the
Dan: the female Cenobite
Dan: We see Butterball, what a name for that guy.
Dan: The Teeth Chatterer
Dan: and obviously
Dan: Pinheads
Dan: there.
Dan: And as the sequels go on, there are further
Dan: setupites.
Dan: There's one
Dan: I like in Hellraiser
Dan: 2 or 3.
Dan: He's got CDs embedded in his face, um, which is again very nice, he's
Dan: but he's not in this one.
Dan: Uh and they kind of p
Dan: pick up four pieces of what was Frank's face
Dan: They lay them on the floor and you can see he's got a big grin on his face as he was ripped into
Dan: shreds.
Dan: And they just look at them and
Dan: sort of like, ah, we've done our job.
Dan: Um
Dan: and
Dan: um
Dan: Then Pinhead closes the Lament
Dan: configuration
Dan: and that's your intro.
Gav: The rum
Gav: 's back to normal.
Gav: Um
Gav: very
Gav: quickly,
Gav: I was talking about the score beforehand.
Gav: Um
Gav: The score is incredible.
Gav: I'm gonna say it now so I'd have to speak about it again.
Gav: It is
Gav: so
Gav: good.
Gav: Um
Gav: Uh
Gav: I do know who it's fucking composed by.
Dan: It's very classical, sort of
Dan: almost belongs in a 70s movie rather than than this movie, but um
Dan: Um
Dan: adds an extra class to it really.
Gav: So anyway, I was right, it was Christopher Young, fuck's sake.
Gav: Um
Gav: this score
Gav: is all orchestra, or
Gav: um
Gav: orchestral
Gav: pieces.
Gav: It is incredible.
Gav: It feels epic, it feels like
Gav: Um
Gav: uh
Gav: it
Gav: it brings the film
Gav: to a higher degree.
Gav: It just lifts it totally up because it's a proper score
Gav: Um, I
Gav: really
Gav: cannot recommend this enough.
Gav: And it's even like the music, you'd know it.
Gav: If you hear it on like
Gav: you look at y uh uh
Gav: around Halloween
Gav: on
Gav: Spotify wherever you type in like Halloween mix, best
Gav: Halloween
Gav: songs.
Gav: You'll get this come up.
Gav: You'll
Gav: you'll get the
Gav: main bit from this come up.
Gav: It's a great, great school.
Gav: It's gone on to do quite a few things,
Gav: grudge, sinister, stuff like that.
Dan: Cool.
Dan: Well, we get now
Dan: introduced to um
Dan: a family who are moving into, and this is a staple of a
Dan: 80s
Dan: horror films, a family move into a house where something bad has happened or
Dan: somebody
Dan: something weird has happened.
Dan: And basically it's Larry
Dan: Played by Andrew Robinson who's brilliant in this.
Gav: And very quickly
Gav: just say last year last year DevOps films had a um
Gav: we had a stall
Gav: at uh a convention and um Andrew Robinson was there.
Gav: Summoning and stuff.
Gav: And uh
Gav: someone I was with
Gav: managed to
Gav: wanted to get him because he's in a s he's in Star Trek.
Gav: He's in a Star Trek show, someone.
Gav: So they wanted to get out.
Gav: And I just happened to be there and I
Gav: pretty much took over their signing.
Gav: I started chatting to him.
Gav: And then I looked down at his photographs
Gav: and he
Gav: was
Gav: the the guy from uh
Gav: dirty
Gav: harry.
Gav: He's basically Scorpio or Scorpion?
Dan: Yeah.
Gav: And I didn't realise.
Gav: I was like, oh
Gav: my god, you're in Dirty Harry.
Gav: So then started talking about Dirty Harry 'cause I fucking clean Eastwood.
Gav: Oh
Gav: my god.
Gav: He was the bad guy, Clinton Eastwood was hunting.
Gav: That is that is a claim to fame.
Gav: But um Andrew Robinson is great in this.
Gav: Um
Gav: I thought he's really good in this movie.
Gav: He comes across as
Gav: I love the fact because he's playing two characters.
Gav: Spoiler, later on, Frank puts his skin on him and wears him.
Gav: Uh
Gav: uh, so he has to then act
Gav: as
Gav: Frank.
Dan: Yeah.
Gav: Playing himself, uh playing his character.
Gav: I thought it was a really good job done.
Dan: Initially
Dan: initially though he's just Larry who is a guy that clearly isn't satisfying his wife, and we find out a little bit more why
Dan: in a moment.
Dan: Um
Gav: missionary positions every couple of weeks.
Dan: Yeah, if that,
Dan: um, with the lights out.
Dan: Um
Dan: and his wife is Julia.
Dan: And
Dan: so
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Brilliant.
Dan: Uh his
Dan: wife is Julia, uh, and then he's got a daughter who
Dan: we we we meet in a moment called Kirsty.
Dan: She's not quite there yet.
Dan: And they move in and and he says, you know, well
Dan: I can't believe that
Dan: You know, we
Dan: we're getting this house and she's like, Yeah, are you sure you want to live here though?
Dan: And he's and he's sort of saying
Dan: Well look, Frank's
Dan: been missing for such a long time now that this house
Dan: This is mine, you know, so
Dan: we're gonna move in here.
Dan: I think this is gonna be fine.
Dan: She's a little bit apprehensive about it.
Dan: And they look around the house and it's disgusting.
Dan: It's kind of semi-abandoned
Dan: Mm there's maggots
Dan: in the kitchen, there's
Dan: disgusting things everywhere.
Gav: It's basically his mum's.
Gav: Um
Gav: so his brother is
Gav: uh
Gav: Frank which we're gonna well
Gav: w
Gav: which
Gav: we saw
Gav: earlier on.
Gav: Um
Gav: and
Gav: he was he wanted to sell it a while ago when his mum passed away, but Frank wouldn't let him and there's
Gav: a whole held up in flight
Gav: the sun's own in the house fifty fifty and
Gav: so he just went, Oh fuck it, I'm not gonna bother.
Gav: So why are they moving in there now?
Gav: Is he is this something
Gav: happened to him?
Gav: We don't
Dan: Because Frank's been missing long enough
Dan: that
Gav: Yeah but why is he moving in there?
Gav: Surely he had a house before.
Gav: Oh
Gav: it's because they moved from America, isn't it?
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: So
Dan: this would be great for us.
Dan: Look, it's a fantastic house.
Dan: It needs work.
Gav: It definitely needs work, but it is a fantastic house.
Dan: And in fact, um
Dan: Julia's exploring upstairs and she finds, I guess you'd call it a bedroom.
Dan: It looks like a heroin addict den
Dan: and it's basically a grotty little mattress on the floor
Dan: with like
Dan: Just shit everywhere
Dan: basically.
Gav: It's a
Gav: a bed
Gav: sit, it's a mattress on the floor.
Gav: It just looks pretty dirty and skanky and horrible.
Gav: And
Gav: how you think a homeless person's been sleeping there?
Gav: Um
Dan: and he she says
Dan: look Frank
Dan: Frank must have been here at some point recently because this
Dan: some of the stuff is his.
Dan: So they're like, no, okay, I guess we'll move in.
Dan: Then the phone rings and it's Kirsty
Dan: the daughter
Dan: who I did have a massive crush on back in the day and actually she's
Dan: still kinda hard.
Dan: She's a very
Dan: um
Dan: Night Monarch Street, sort of final girl look to her.
Gav: So uh uh
Gav: the dad goes off to make the phone call, le
Gav: leaving Julia there to look at the mattress and go
Gav: I remember Frank.
Dan: Yeah, and we
Dan: this is where we figure out, hmm, she's got an obsession with Frank, because she finds a tin
Gav: So do you think the relationship's basically
Gav: sh
Gav: she
Gav: 's just not really getting it?
Gav: It's quite boring and she's just bored of the relationship.
Gav: So at some stage
Gav: As we see, Frank seduces her.
Gav: It does really seduce her.
Gav: Pretty much just says that we're shagging and that's it.
Gav: You ain't got a choice.
Gav: And she's like, Yeah, all right.
Gav: And
Gav: she kind of likes the bad boy in him.
Dan: It's not rained, but it
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: It could have been
Gav: and she she pretty much
Gav: goes along with it and he's a bit of a bad boy and it must have left such a
Gav: feeling on her.
Gav: But it's all seduc it's all sex
Gav: though.
Gav: It's all passion, it's all seduction that
Gav: sh
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: She
Gav: will
Gav: uh
Gav: lose everything
Gav: for
Gav: sex, essentially.
Dan: Well she finds she finds a little tin
Dan: full of pictures of Frank
Dan: in various positions
Dan: with various women.
Dan: I love the fact she rips
Gav: rips off one of the heads.
Gav: Very good ripping by.
Gav: I thought it was perfect.
Gav: Um she
Gav: rips
Gav: uh
Gav: a head off one of the the
Gav: ladies that Frank's with and just thinks, oh I'm gonna keep this picture of Frank
Dan: Well she doesn't say anything to Larry about these pictures of her brother in law that she holds.
Dan: Yeah, and then she says, All right, let's move in.
Dan: And he's like, Great, excellent.
Dan: Well Kirsty's on board as well, our daughter, so that's fantastic.
Dan: So we cut to them
Dan: um
Dan: moving in.
Dan: So Kirsty
Dan: sort of turns up.
Gav: Is Kir
Gav: is
Gav: it's not uh is she not stepmum
Gav: for some reason I feel like
Dan: Yes.
Dan: Yes, she
Dan: 's a stepmom because there's a fantastic line in a moment actually with the removal men trying to hit on her, which we'll come to.
Dan: Um
Gav: Christie arrives.
Dan: Just as the removal men are there.
Dan: No, your typical eighties
Dan: m m w
Dan: removal
Dan: men they're all like trying to drink beers and
Gav: No, no, no.
Gav: No, no, let's let's please let's discuss this
Gav: the removal men for a moment.
Gav: This is not about horror, this is about removal men and horror and removal
Gav: men
Gav: These two guys turn up.
Gav: First they're leering
Gav: over my daughter.
Gav: Oh
Dan: over
Dan: his wife, first of all.
Gav: And then the daughter.
Gav: And then then they're
Gav: halfway through with this bed
Gav: They're just like, oh
Gav: fucking hell
Gav: 's a lot of work.
Gav: Have you got any beers?
Gav: And Andrew Robinson's like, yeah, no worries, I'll go get you a four-pack.
Gav: Brings them out a four-pack.
Gav: There you go, guys.
Gav: Here's two beers each
Dan: Yeah.
Gav: And you've just stopped working halfway through.
Gav: I'll be like, no, you can get the work done
Gav: and then I might give you a bit
Gav: at the end of the day, you can work for them.
Dan: Well he's helping them as well.
Gav: I was thinking, what are you doing?
Dan: And that's Larry that's Larry's character.
Dan: He is a bit of a
Dan: pushover.
Gav: Exactly.
Gav: I was gonna say to you, they
Gav: the they that it
Gav: that really
Gav: explains that and like you say, it really shows him how much of a pushover
Gav: is.
Gav: Halfway through they're like, nah, fuck that, you got any beer, nice, give us a beer, we're gonna go drink that beer while we learn.
Gav: over your wife and daughter and it's like yeah okay
Gav: smiley
Gav: smiley
Gav: that's very good point
Gav: well done Dan
Gav: yeah
Dan: and when when Kirsty arrives the daughter they're sort of
Dan: They
Dan: as you say they leer over her and one of them makes a comment and says, Hey, sweet cheeks, you know, whatever it is.
Dan: And she kind of ignores them and then um
Dan: As she walks off, one of them says, Hey,
Dan: is that your daughter?
Dan: And
Dan: and he's like, yes.
Dan: And she's like,
Dan: she's got her mother's looks, thinking that was her mum they've just met.
Dan: And he's like, her mother's dead.
Dan: And that
Dan: cuts it off then and they realise
Dan: oh shit, okay, we've over we've overstepped the mark there, you know.
Dan: And also tells the audience
Dan: that actually Julia is the stepmother.
Dan: Uh
Gav: a bit of
Gav: info dump.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Uh
Dan: meanwhile
Dan: Julia is
Dan: uh
Dan: ripping the picture of Frank.
Dan: She cuts the other girl's head off
Dan: just so she can look at Frank in his
Dan: position
Dan: doggy style with someone.
Dan: And she keeps
Dan: that and then she has a little flashback
Dan: um
Dan: to when she first met Frank.
Dan: So there's a knock at the door back in the day and she opens the door and it's raining.
Dan: And there's this
Dan: sexy man in the rain.
Gav: A
Gav: such a dickhead.
Gav: He
Gav: really is.
Gav: Oh boy, but
Gav: just
Gav: just oh yes, while she's thinking of it, is this
Gav: downstairs I told you about earlier, the
Gav: the
Gav: bed being pushed up.
Gav: This is happening
Gav: as
Gav: as this
Gav: goes on.
Gav: But he's such a dickhead and he turns up
Gav: Oh, I'm I'm Brother Frank.
Gav: And she's like, oh, okay.
Gav: I'm
Gav: wet.
Gav: Have you got a towel?
Gav: It's just really like
Gav: passive aggressive to her.
Gav: And it's like
Gav: Oh
Gav: how'd you gonna let me
Dan: she likes it.
Dan: She likes the being bossed around.
Gav: Yeah, yeah.
Gav: It it
Gav: he shows his dominance straight away.
Gav: And and it and it's that
Gav: it turns
Gav: up in the
Gav: I'm wet.
Gav: He's really close to the face.
Gav: I'm brother Frank.
Gav: Are you gonna let me in?
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: And then he
Gav: It's not his first rodeo, is it?
Dan: Well in the flashback he just starts kissing her and she's like, What
Dan: about Larry?
Dan: And he's like, what about Larry?
Dan: He's my brother, but come on, it's me
Dan: So they they start kissing and then they he pulls out a flick knife and there's some knife foreplay.
Gav: He cuts
Gav: a bra
Gav: off
Dan: Yeah, and then she sucks his fingers and he sucks her fingers.
Dan: And then they
Dan: they start banging on
Dan: they
Dan: lay out her wedding dress.
Gav: I I
Gav: I feel sorry for Jim.
Gav: Wow, I didn't even realise
Gav: that.
Gav: Yeah, because
Dan: he says he says, Do you not remember me from your wedding?
Dan: I was there.
Dan: She's like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah
Dan: And then they have sex on her wedding dress.
Dan: I don't even
Gav: notice that.
Gav: Um
Gav: and just the fact I feel so sorry for Julia
Gav: because at the end of the day
Gav: She's just being used.
Gav: He's literally doesn't give a fuck.
Gav: He's just gonna turn up
Gav: Shagger
Gav: doesn't care about his brother, doesn't care about her, then just leave the town or see.
Gav: And this
Gav: pre-internet, they're not fucking emailing him or mobile phone ringing him.
Gav: He's just gone.
Gav: They don't know where he's gone.
Gav: And he just totally uses her.
Gav: And I feel so sorry for her thinking
Gav: uh
Gav: yeah, do I or do I not?
Gav: She cheats on her husband.
Gav: So I suppose I don't really feel sorry for her at all, really.
Dan: Yeah, I mean she kind of wanted it.
Dan: You know
Gav: she did, but
Gav: she
Gav: You gotta feel sorry for
Gav: in a way where she's totally been
Gav: used
Gav: and she's so naive she doesn't even understand this.
Gav: To the point where she's gonna later on start fucking killing people.
Gav: Come on
Dan: Well this scene, this flashback scene of them having sex on the wedding dress
Dan: then
Dan: moves into the incredible edit which you mentioned earlier
Dan: where downstairs they're trying to shove this sofa.
Dan: there's some bed up the stairs and they're grunting and then it cuts back to Crank grunting on top of Judy and then it cuts back to them grunting and then just as he cuts his finger op
Dan: his hand open on a nail, as you say there's the orgasm in her flashback
Dan: Um
Dan: and it's fantastic and um
Dan: he comes in the room
Dan: um
Dan: with blood all over his hand and he's like, Oh Julia
Dan: So this is Larry and he's like, Oh
Dan: I'm not very good with blood
Gav: again, China's character, isn't it?
Dan: And she's like, Oh my god, this is terrible, you're gonna need loads of stitches.
Dan: But obviously this blood drips down onto the floorboards and drips down between the floorboards.
Gav: But did the cinnabites just accidentally fucking leave his hole there?
Gav: How is this happening?
Dan: Yeah, we see what I assume this like
Dan: sack of flesh that
Dan: starts beating
Dan: is a car.
Gav: Yeah, so I don't
Gav: I wonder why that was still under the floorboards and why is it under the floorboards?
Gav: I don't know.
Gav: So
Gav: Don't know.
Dan: Well sh she takes them off to get stitches and um
Dan: we then later on see this is
Dan: this
Dan: special effect
Dan: the blazing
Dan: deck.
Gav: Oh the
Gav: bigger.
Gav: Oh of course, yeah.
Gav: Well we see
Gav: very quickly to say
Gav: we see
Gav: it's like
Gav: it's like an old
Gav: hammer movie, it does it, where the blood then just gets soaked up into the floorboards and it drops down underneath
Gav: Goes into the heart, the heart's re
Gav: re
Gav: relive, relieved.
Gav: Re
Gav: revi
Dan: rev
Dan: revived.
Gav: Yes.
Dan: Yep.
Gav: I'm not gonna bother doing it because I'll get it wrong again.
Gav: We go for this all over again.
Gav: And uh and we just start seeing it pumping and pumping and it just then starts to grow a bit, doesn't it?
Gav: And comes out of floorboards, so you carry on
Dan: And then you get these long things stretched out which then become arms.
Gav: It's
Gav: it's very thing-like almost
Gav: at first.
Dan: It is, and uh but it's incredible
Dan: Practical effects.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Some of the best you'll see in the eighties, to be honest with you.
Dan: You know, this has got to be up there with the fly
Dan: and the thing and and some of those movies for practical effects and body horror
Dan: and um
Dan: It
Dan: kind of
Dan: it turns into a
Dan: a man, but not quite a man.
Dan: It's more like
Dan: if you took off all my skin
Dan: and my muscles
Dan: and I was a bit of a skeleton
Dan: but a bit of muscle and flesh on there.
Dan: It's just this.
Gav: It's like a biology book
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: And then it sort of screams and it we realise, oh this is Frank
Dan: on his
Dan: back.
Gav: It's it's
Gav: oh yeah.
Dan: And he's got a bono.
Gav: It's so
Gav: yeah, yeah, yeah.
Gav: It
Gav: it's so yucky to the point
Gav: later on he gets to the point where he's like
Gav: my nerves are coming back and I can feel pain.
Gav: It's like
Gav: oh
Gav: my god
Dan: And he smokes a cigarette and he's
Dan: oh my taste has come up.
Dan: I can taste this cigarette.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Well
Dan: Larry and Julia are very excited to have some guests over in the next scene for a dinner party
Dan: So he's making his dad jokes
Dan: and
Dan: this
Dan: gets
Dan: to laughing and then you've got this guy called Steve
Dan: who's flirting with
Dan: with
Dan: uh their daughter
Dan: Kirsty
Dan: and they're sort of like flirting with each other and um
Gav: that's a boyfriend isn't it?
Dan: Well I suppose it is yeah and then Julia
Dan: all of a sudden Julia's like
Dan: I'm going to bed now in the middle of a dinner party.
Dan: Yeah,
Dan: she just she just wants to go upstairs and flap herself silly to this Polaroid of
Dan: Frank.
Gav: That's what she's gonna go and do, yeah.
Gav: She's
Gav: she
Gav: she
Gav: must
Gav: it's it's amusing to have this dinner table
Gav: dinner scene there
Gav: with her friends there, that sort of thing.
Gav: It did make me think
Gav: though that
Gav: but we don't really
Gav: have dinner
Gav: dinners
Gav: dinners
Gav: much
Gav: mate people anymore, I feel like.
Gav: I don't remember the last time I went to
Gav: around someone's house for dinner.
Gav: I used to
Gav: I used to do that shit.
Gav: We had a
Gav: different time now
Gav: maybe.
Gav: I don't know.
Dan: We had a dinner party here about two weeks ago.
Dan: Um
Dan: really
Dan: about
Dan: three
Dan: three or four people came over just to see the new house in the evening.
Dan: And we had like
Dan: cheese and some beers and some wine and stuff.
Dan: Um
Dan: Wasn't like a full blown dinner, it was more like a cheese and beer evening.
Dan: But it was it was nice, felt civilized and I certainly didn't
Dan: meet a sticky man in my
Dan: Loft.
Gav: I'm sure you'd have messaged me the next day if you had.
Gav: Um yeah, so she leaves the table, but so the whole time they're having this dinner, she must have just
Gav: on her mind
Gav: be thinking about Frank
Gav: Look to the point
Gav: she's like, my nips are wrecked, I'm fucking gun upstairs.
Gav: I'm off
Gav: I'm off
Gav: for seal out, guys.
Gav: I'm out of here.
Dan: Yep
Dan: She goes upstairs and she goes into that room where um
Dan: her husband bled on the floor.
Gav: Why did she go to that room?
Gav: It's a really weird room to go into.
Dan: Cause that was a room of Frank's disgusting bed
Dan: was
Dan: and she found all the pictures.
Dan: So she's like, Well, this is where everything
Dan: at last here.
Gav: Oh right, fine, I thought it was a different room.
Gav: Okay
Dan: She goes in and she sees some rats in there eating sort of some weird slime off the floor and she thinks, what the hell is that?
Dan: What are they
Dan: eating?
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: And then she hears
Dan: Julia.
Gav: Julia.
Dan: Don't look at me, Julia.
Dan: And she turns around and she
Dan: says,
Dan: Don't look at me.
Gav: Well, don't tell people not to look.
Gav: They're gonna look anyway
Dan: And she's like, oh my god.
Gav: It's because an arm grabs her.
Dan: Yeah.
Gav: And it's just a skinless arm.
Gav: And it's like, oh.
Dan: And she's like,
Dan: what
Dan: are you?
Dan: And he's like, it's me, Frank.
Dan: She's like, oh
Dan: my god.
Dan: What the hell?
Dan: How can it be you?
Dan: And he's like, the blood brought me back.
Gav: It's
Gav: uh I saw this
Gav: night definition as you would nowadays, I think
Gav: you know.
Gav: And
Gav: um it
Gav: the effects here are okay
Gav: Uh it's like a whole a whole suit.
Gav: Okay, somebody's face later on
Gav: is a bit scared.
Dan: It's another guy.
Dan: Another guy plays him
Dan: at this point.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Um
Dan: who's got very skinny
Dan: features and a very gaunt
Dan: face
Dan: and and they just put the
Dan: the the s prosthetics on his face to make him look
Dan: um
Dan: it's a guy called Oliver Smith that played Frank the Monster.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Um so Sean Chapman plays Frank but but
Dan: and does the voice
Dan: but
Dan: Oliver Smith played him
Gav: for th
Dan: for the sort of the monstery
Dan: part of him.
Gav: It's
Gav: okay
Gav: here, not
Gav: not
Gav: brilliant, but you know, to be fair
Gav: What they do later on with effects with all the center
Gav: pods and pin
Gav: and stuff's incredible.
Gav: So, you know, if a budget
Gav: wise, fair enough, you know.
Gav: But
Dan: he basically says through
Dan: You know you want me.
Dan: I'm back.
Dan: I might look like shit at the moment, but I need more blood.
Dan: I need you to help me, Julia
Dan: Um, so that she's she's in there having that conversation.
Dan: Meanwhile, drunken
Dan: step stepdaughter Kirsty
Dan: is wandering up the stairs
Dan: and uh she's wandering around and she sees um
Dan: and Frank sees her and he thinks, oh
Dan: So straight away.
Gav: Imagine that you've you've been just a heart under some floorboards, like the
Gav: you've been in your
Gav: soul or wherever you've
Gav: fucking mind
Gav: 's been
Gav: spinning hell or some shit
Gav: and you come back and the first thing you pretty much
Gav: think of
Gav: oh
Gav: yeah
Gav: no
Gav: it's check her
Gav: out
Gav: his niece
Dan: as well
Gav: oh he don't care
Gav: bang anything
Dan: So he basically
Dan: this
Dan: advises Julia
Dan: he needs more blood to heal.
Dan: So
Dan: we then cut to
Dan: um
Dan: There's a date with Steve
Dan: so Steve and
Dan: Kirsty
Dan: are on a date and they're kissing.
Dan: Um
Dan: they
Dan: have a little kiss in the subway.
Dan: They're in love, you know, it's all
Dan: fine and
Dan: it's like.
Dan: Yeah, and they
Dan: they're they're
Dan: they're having, you know, they're
Dan: good.
Dan: It's a good 80s
Dan: couple, yeah.
Dan: They're having fun.
Dan: Um
Dan: Kirsty, the daughter, then has this weird premonition or a dream.
Dan: about
Dan: her dad.
Dan: She has a dream that she walks into this room and it's an incredibly striking visual, this room that's covered
Dan: and there's a body on a t
Dan: on a table.
Gav: All in slow motion.
Gav: It's really
Gav: I d I didn't
Gav: it's when we review films, I notice films more.
Gav: And this scene I
Gav: c
Gav: I
Gav: it just went past me.
Gav: I never
Gav: think about it.
Gav: But we watched it for this was really fascinating.
Gav: Short
Gav: sh uh
Gav: slow motion with feathers everywhere.
Dan: Yeah, the
Dan: the
Dan: supporting on the table.
Dan: Covered in white feathers and then blood starts bleeding through the feathers and the sheet underneath them.
Dan: And then it's her dad's face.
Gav: And there's a baby crying.
Dan: Oh yeah, there's a baby crying.
Gav: What does this mean
Dan: I don't know.
Dan: It's a nightmare, isn't it?
Gav: Is that supposed to be her
Gav: as a baby
Gav: crying?
Dan: All I know is at the end Larry sits up
Dan: and he's all
Dan: he's got a really deformed face and he just sort of looks at her and she wakes up
Dan: like
Dan: oh my god in Steve's apartment.
Dan: She's like, oh
Dan: I had a terrible dream
Gav: Just before this, Julia was in bed thinking about Frank.
Gav: She then decides that she's gonna do it and she goes and tells him
Gav: she'd do it.
Dan: Yep.
Dan: I'll kill
Dan: for you.
Dan: Don't worry.
Gav: So then the next day
Dan: Well hang on.
Dan: So she rings her dad in the middle of the night.
Dan: It's quite a nice moment.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: I'm gonna bring my dad to make sure he's okay because I've just had a nightmare about him.
Gav: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dan: Um
Dan: so she calls him and
Dan: he's fine.
Dan: Um
Dan: Everything's good, but Frank's
Dan: uh upstairs listening out and he's like, mmm
Dan: , he's just
Dan: sticky
Dan: man
Dan: purving from the attic.
Dan: Not good.
Gav: So the next day Julia's like, right, I'm on a mission here, I'm gonna go kill someone.
Gav: So
Gav: she goes off with a fucking gozar.
Gav: The goza
Gav: what is the gozar was?
Dan: Gozar the Gozarian.
Gav: Gozar the Gozarian haircut
Gav: Off to a cocktail bar in London to pick some up.
Gav: I feel like she's literally just walked out the set of Ghostbusters straight onto Hellraiser
Dan: Yep.
Gav: Liter
Gav: they have the same hairstyle
Gav: was like
Gav: what
Gav: the fuck she's got gozall's haircut.
Dan: She meets this fucking nerdy guy
Dan: He sat
Dan: in a bar and he's like, hey, you're drinking on your own?
Dan: Why don't I have a drink with you?
Dan: Then neither of us are drinking on our own.
Dan: And she's like, okay, yeah.
Dan: And then
Dan: Yeah, he
Dan: she brings him back to
Dan: the house.
Gav: Like I said, I found this all really disturbing.
Gav: I was like, what you could just pick weird people up for sex?
Gav: Because obviously I was very young when I watched this.
Gav: I was very confused by it.
Gav: Very confused then
Dan: He says to her at one point
Dan: she sort of is
Dan: bit hesitant and he's like,
Dan: Why the fuck did you bring me back then?
Dan: You're not gonna ch
Dan: you're not gonna
Dan: Chicken out of me now are you?
Dan: Sorry, sorry, I didn't mean that I didn't mean that.
Dan: And then she says, Well let's go upstairs and he's like
Dan: yes, yes, let's go upstairs
Dan: So they go upstairs to Frank's Grotti
Dan: Hovel.
Dan: Um
Dan: and he says that
Dan: he says
Dan: there's no bed in here.
Gav: Yeah, uh
Gav: imagine that
Gav: though, you're like, uh
Gav: you can do this like
Gav: f
Gav: internet
Gav: dating
Gav: or something and you go meet someone
Gav: and then
Gav: that's what happens.
Gav: You go into
Gav: a house and you sh
Gav: you're led
Gav: there
Gav: Not only is there no
Gav: bed, but look at the place, there's some rats over there eating puke.
Gav: I don't know if
Gav: I want a bone on this floor.
Gav: It's just a hard wooden
Gav: dirty floor.
Gav: But she's like,
Gav: this is how I like it, and he's like, well, okay
Gav: then
Dan: She says, we don't need a bed to it.
Dan: He's like, I guess we'll do it on the floor, yeah that's fine.
Dan: So he
Dan: it's so emasculating now.
Dan: Uh
Dan: he takes his trousers down and he's got these terrible pants on underneath his trousers.
Dan: And it's interesting that it's
Dan: the the man that undresses
Dan: first
Dan: because in these sort of films it's always the woman who does the sexy undress
Gav: fucking top pulled up socks and suspended type things
Dan: And and as he's undressing, Frank creeps
Dan: creeps in
Dan: um
Dan: and
Dan: through the door and he turns around and sees him and she
Gav: gets a hammer.
Gav: That second, you know you
Gav: fucked up and you've pulled the wrong m
Gav: uh
Gav: person down at the like
Gav: local cocktail bar and you should have probably gone home
Gav: or gone and got a kebab or something, because you've fucked up.
Gav: There's like a skinless man there and the w w woman's gonna hammer you in the head.
Gav: It's not good.
Dan: She batters him in the head with a hammer and then he says, Don't watch, don't watch me.
Dan: So we don't see, for the most part, we never really see what Frank does to his
Dan: sandwich.
Gav: At times it sounds like he's having a human milkshake.
Gav: Or a meatshake.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: And I think that works better because A, that
Dan: saves them money on the budget and B,
Dan: it's what's in your imagination?
Dan: What is he doing to them?
Gav: Now
Gav: Here we have a really great point.
Gav: Julie goes to the bathroom to clean herself up, but we
Gav: are now the mirror
Gav: and she breaks the fourth wall, but she's not breaking the fourth wall.
Gav: She's looking into the mirror
Gav: But we are the mirror.
Gav: So essentially she's breaking a fourth wall and staring at us while she cleans the blood off her face, thinking, what the fuck have I done?
Gav: Telling us this.
Gav: And it's fascinating.
Gav: It's such a lovely choice
Dan: Yeah, it's great.
Dan: She she
Dan: she cleans the blood off herself.
Dan: She goes back into the room and she sees the victim on the floor.
Dan: Basically a a drained corpse on the floor.
Gav: And Frank is becoming whole again.
Dan: Yeah, he's he's like sixty percent a man now.
Gav: And it
Gav: straight away he's like
Gav: come
Gav: here, I want to touch you.
Gav: Come to Daddy
Gav: Like, oh, that's his saying
Gav: as well.
Gav: How did he get laid?
Gav: How did he get laid by saying
Gav: come to daddy?
Gav: God
Dan: Come to Daddy.
Dan: And you can see the effects here are great.
Dan: You can see his bones and his muscle.
Dan: you know, and his face is all sort of like like you said, he's in one of those um
Dan: those books where they sh
Dan: sort of show you the human anatomy.
Dan: He looks just like that.
Dan: It's great.
Dan: Um
Gav: the first
Gav: thing he does when he gets closer, the first thing he does is he grabs
Gav: a boob.
Gav: It is the first thing he touches with.
Dan: It's been a while.
Gav: The first
Gav: thing he does.
Dan: It's been a while since he's grabbed a boob.
Dan: Let a prank have his boob.
Gav: Oh
Gav: boob.
Gav: And he says to her
Gav: God.
Dan: He says to her
Dan: thank you for that, but I do need probably w at least one, if not two, more victims to be fully whole.
Dan: She's like, Oh my god.
Gav: She's like, did you say fully hard?
Gav: No, no, fully whole, but we'll get there, Junior.
Gav: We'll get there
Dan: He says, um yeah, he says, I want to touch you.
Dan: Um and then they hear Larry arrive home.
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: Oh
Gav: no, the husband's home.
Dan: Okay, okay.
Gav: Has no idea that right now his wife inside of her
Gav: she loves and she thinks she
Gav: he thinks she loves him wholeheartedly
Gav: is upstairs
Gav: uh
Gav: uh
Gav: uh being felt up by her skinless brother
Gav: his skinless brother.
Dan: Whilst another man's dead on the floor drained of all
Dan: meat.
Gav: It's quite a thing to happen.
Dan: She actually then picks up the body.
Dan: Um
Dan: and manages to just about carry what's left of the body
Dan: um
Dan: and disposes of it
Dan: just before
Gav: he does
Gav: It very quickly
Gav: does say to her like
Gav: we need more bodies so I could be whole again because I've got to get away from the centibotes.
Gav: He says that.
Gav: He says he needs to like run away.
Dan: He says I've got a feeling
Dan: that he's back
Dan: in the house.
Dan: He's in holding
Dan: for me.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Now
Dan: Larry, bless him, makes a very ill-timed
Dan: joke.
Dan: Because she's literally just disposed of a body in one of the other rooms.
Dan: And he comes up to her and goes,
Dan: Want a cookie little girl?
Dan: Trying to like be all playful.
Dan: Little does he know that she's just been in that room with a dead body.
Dan: She's
Dan: she's you know
Dan: hammered someone in the head and she's kissing his skin as brother like you say, and he's like, Wanna cookie little girl?
Dan: It's just very badly timed.
Dan: But he doesn't know that
Dan: Um
Dan: she says, leave me alone.
Dan: Immediately he's like, Oh, you feel sick, I'm so sorry, is there something I can get you?
Dan: Because he's such pushover, you know, he's a doting husband, he's trying his best
Dan: to please her.
Dan: And she just says, no, no.
Dan: Uh
Dan: just
Dan: I just need to be left alone.
Dan: She goes back to Frank.
Dan: And this is
Dan: where he says, yes, I definitely need one, if not two
Dan: more, victims.
Dan: And then we need to get out of here before those cenobites find me.
Dan: Cut two, one of the most disgusting scenes
Dan: in this whole film.
Dan: Kirsty works in a pet
Dan: shop.
Gav: Oh yeah.
Dan: She's working in a pet shop.
Gav: Well very quickly
Gav: the
Gav: the the the homeless guy that uh comes into the pet shop
Gav: store uh
Gav: we did see him early on we didn't mention we so
Gav: he stares at Julia while she's walking along after the drunken dinner party
Gav: Uh and she just looks back and sees him.
Gav: So he was there now and now he comes into a shop.
Dan: He comes into
Dan: the pet shop.
Dan: She was working as a pet
Dan: in a pet shop as a cocktail girl oh I don't know what the song is.
Dan: You know what I mean?
Dan: Pet shop boys.
Dan: Anyway, she's working in a pet shop.
Dan: And there's a monkey in there, because this was the 80s, they've selling monkeys.
Dan: There's a monkey in there, there's dogs and loads of other stuff.
Dan: And he comes in
Dan: and she turns around
Dan: and he
Dan: has
Dan: just picked up a handful of
Dan: Scorpions or bugs or spiders
Dan: locusts I don't know what they are
Dan: and he's just eating them
Dan: and then they're all in his beard and this is
Dan: to me is the most disgusting scene in the film.
Dan: I'm a man with a beard, as you know, Gav, that's for
Dan: you
Dan: And to have all these little spiders or whatever they are in his in his beard while he's eating them.
Gav: They're crickets.
Dan: Cricket.
Dan: Oh, it's just disgusting.
Dan: And she sort of shouts at him, then he vanishes.
Dan: I don't know who this character is.
Dan: Is he like the eyes of the Cenobites watching her, spying on her?
Dan: I don't know.
Gav: He comes into it at the end though, doesn't he?
Dan: Yeah, that's what I mean.
Dan: I don't know who he is and what
Dan: does he is he the guy who looks after the lament
Dan: configuration?
Gav: Well we know he spawns wings at the end and flies off of the box, so he
Gav: must
Gav: be
Gav: looking after the box in some sense or taking it to different places for people to find
Gav: or
Gav: returning it home
Gav: or something.
Gav: But why is he bothered with Kirstie?
Gav: But what what
Gav: there's no there's nothing
Gav: no reason for this at all really.
Dan: Normally, yeah, and and yes, and in that context this thing probably didn't doesn't
Dan: isn't needed but
Dan: it's not, yeah.
Dan: But
Dan: It's such a disgusting weird scene that freaks out Kirsty that it kinda works.
Gav: Yeah,
Gav: but
Gav: there
Gav: so she basically has three times seeing him, then
Gav: she
Gav: he stares at her, so he's clocked her, then he
Gav: must have followed her, so he goes in there, but then later on
Gav: She's the one that finds the book, so he must have known that she's gonna find the book.
Gav: I don't know.
Gav: I don't understand why.
Gav: I'm not gonna try and figure it out to be honest with you
Dan: Well she tells Steve about it and then meanwhile
Dan: Julie is out on another uh pickup, isn't she?
Gav: Of course she is.
Dan: Ju Julia, she brings another guy home.
Dan: Um
Dan: he's immediately killed and drained as well.
Dan: I think he gets two or three hammers to the head this time.
Dan: Not just one.
Gav: It's it's f
Gav: it's up there for me watching skateboard videos on YouTube
Gav: where people slam and they they're
Gav: they s
Gav: uh
Gav: do their ankles in
Gav: because
Gav: uh that
Gav: that and
Gav: hammering into the head
Gav: of my
Gav: pet
Gav: pet
Gav: disgusts.
Gav: And
Dan: he says to her again, leave me alone while I uh do what I need to do to this body and while
Dan: and she goes outside and she is so horny
Dan: at this point because she knows he's always fully formed.
Dan: She's gonna get laid soon.
Dan: So she's out there and like
Dan: fully f
Dan: like
Dan: uh
Dan: anticipation, horny
Dan: anticipation whilst Frank does his thing to this
Dan: guy.
Dan: Um
Dan: and then we
Dan: we
Dan: she goes back in and sees Frank and he's now smoking his cigarette
Dan: And he's about
Dan: eighty percent
Dan: Mahmi.
Gav: He says uh
Gav: well he's no
Gav: regions
Gav: coming yet, it says
Gav: about that, but he does say that he can taste now.
Gav: He's he can taste a cigarette.
Dan: And he gives her a bit of a backstory
Dan: now.
Dan: He sort of says, you know, what's happened to him?
Dan: He says, this is the Lament
Dan: configuration.
Dan: Um, and it opens doors to
Dan: pleasures.
Dan: beyond our world, to pleasures beyond anything you've ever experienced.
Dan: Um
Dan: and it gives a little bit of a backstory
Dan: of the in
Dan: there's a flashback now of the hooks and what happened to him
Dan: and the
Dan: cenobites
Dan: and how he basically
Dan: bought this, opened it, and
Dan: to experience the utmost pleasure
Dan: also meant that he got ripped into a million pieces by these hooks on chains.
Dan: And
Dan: I guess his soul or his mind was in hell all this time.
Dan: And
Dan: the scene ends with her saying, Don't worry, they won't find us.
Dan: But as soon as you're fully formed, we'll run away.
Dan: No one will find us.
Dan: So she's
Dan: completely on board with this absolutely batshit
Dan: crazy
Dan: story
Dan: she's like yep great
Dan: demons
Dan: hell
Dan: Great, I'm with you.
Dan: Let's get laid.
Gav: Honestly, he must shag
Gav: the
Gav: Honestly, he must be the best shagger in the world, like I said.
Gav: He must be incredible.
Dan: Yeah
Dan: Um
Dan: later on she's uh watching
Dan: Larry's watching boxing on TV.
Dan: Um
Dan: and
Dan: He
Dan: sort of watched he's like, oh you don't normally like watching boxing with me, Julia.
Dan: You said it's a bit
Dan: makes you feel a bit sick.
Dan: She's
Dan: oh I don't mind.
Dan: He's like, oh
Dan: and he's like really happy that his wife's watching his
Dan: favourite sport with him, you know?
Dan: Poor Larry.
Dan: I do feel for him, man.
Dan: Um
Dan: Meanwhile Frank's upstairs
Dan: pacing around, smoking, you know, needing more skin.
Dan: And uh Larry hears some banging upstairs and he's
Dan: Oh, what was that?
Dan: I just heard something.
Dan: She's like, oh nothing, I left a window open.
Dan: He's like, oh, I've better go and check what it is.
Dan: I'm the man of the house after all.
Dan: And uh she's
Dan: oh no, please, please don't go up there, please.
Dan: And he says, Oh, look, we'll go together, it's fine.
Dan: Come on, come up with me and we'll have a look.
Gav: She knows that Frank could kill him if he goes up there.
Dan: And she does give him what might be one last kiss.
Dan: She grabs him and passionately kisses her husband, probably for the first time in years, because he's like
Gav: almost trying to get
Gav: she's almost
Gav: like
Gav: She should have just gone down on him.
Gav: That
Gav: stopped him in his tracks.
Gav: Oh
Dan: that'll stop
Dan: any man doing anything.
Dan: Just doing that.
Dan: Oh yeah.
Dan: I could be back to k pick up a a million pounds off the ground and if that
Dan: happened to me I'd just be like, oh.
Gav: Very quickly before I I I forget
Gav: a par
Gav: day of paranormal activity show, I looked down
Gav: while I was working,
Gav: there's two ten
Gav: pound
Gav: notes in front of me
Dan: You just
Gav: found money.
Gav: No, I grabbed them.
Dan: Amazing.
Dan: That's
Dan: very
Dan: lucky.
Gav: And
Gav: accidentally
Gav: didn't pay for two ice creams in the programme at the show.
Dan: The world was on your side at that point.
Gav: I we were early to the show.
Gav: Sorry,
Gav: I'm really
Gav: totally
Gav: off
Gav: off topic here.
Gav: Earlier to show, turned up, said to the guy, Oh, we'll have a couple of those little ice cream tubs.
Gav: And you're doing
Gav: a programme?
Gav: I'll take a program
Gav: as well.
Gav: Thanks very much.
Gav: Had my phone in my hand
Gav: with my wallet Apple
Gav: Apple Pay
Gav: already
Gav: And chatted away to him about the program
Gav: and stuff, gave me the ice
Gav: creams.
Gav: And I'd like, uh,
Gav: cheers.
Gav: And I walked off and I was sitting down
Gav: trying to
Gav: say, Did I pay?
Gav: I don't know if I paid or not.
Gav: And uh
Gav: then
Gav: Found out later on checking my bank that I had
Gav: paid.
Gav: Not on purpose, not on purpose
Gav: though.
Dan: Three ice creams and twenty
Dan: pounds.
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: What day?
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: 24 hours.
Gav: Yeah
Dan: So
Dan: Larry and Julia
Dan: start heading up.
Dan: Like I said, she distracts him.
Dan: Um
Dan: we see at this point a quick shot of some rap.
Dan: I guess Frank was bored and just nailed some rats to the wall in his bedroom.
Dan: Maybe he
Dan: drained them a bit.
Gav: In his bedroom.
Gav: It's not his bedroom, is it?
Gav: Oh
Gav: spending
Gav: Oh it was his picture.
Gav: But I'm just thinking
Gav: like
Gav: I need some new decorations.
Gav: I got my cardium and
Gav: oak
Gav: poster over there.
Gav: I know.
Gav: Some rats, live ones, hammered into uh
Gav: the the side of the wall.
Gav: In
Gav: my bedroom, to make it look
Gav: nice for the ladies when they come
Gav: by.
Gav: She
Dan: she kisses him again
Dan: Definitely trying to distract him from going in to see Frank because she does ultimately, I guess, love Larry and feel sorry for him.
Gav: I really wish he did have a collimonogue poster.
Gav: The only thing in there is a collimonogue poster.
Dan: I I actually had a colleymano
Dan: poster up when I was a kid
Dan: on my wall.
Dan: Genuinely did.
Dan: Um
Dan: This time though, Julia takes him in onto the bed
Dan: and
Dan: She's like,
Dan: I
Dan: think I'm gonna have to have sex with my husband here just to stop him from dying at the hands of Frank.
Dan: Um
Dan: but
Dan: while they're on the bed sort of
Dan: about
Dan: to get with it.
Dan: Who's in the closet watching them?
Gav: It's it's pr
Gav: it's Uncle Frank.
Gav: Come to daddy.
Dan: Uncle
Dan: Frank.
Dan: And he's got a knife.
Dan: And he just walks up.
Dan: So this this is one way to s
Dan: kill your stroke, right?
Dan: If you're if you're a mid-stroke or mid-side
Gav: I'm gonna safe now, I'm uh I'm going upstairs for an Uncle Frank.
Dan: Because to
Dan: to put her off
Dan: um
Dan: her
Dan: stride, he walks up and Frank
Dan: and obviously Larry doesn't see this and Frank walks up behind them while they're in the mid
Dan: mid
Dan: Bang
Dan: with
Dan: a
Dan: rat
Dan: and he just peels
Gav: it
Dan: a bit of this rather than
Gav: yucky.
Dan: Alright.
Dan: He's just looking at it like, yeah, alright.
Gav: And he's doing this to f
Gav: threaten
Gav: her to say that at any moment I could do this to your husband.
Gav: But
Gav: w
Gav: but
Gav: oh
Gav: it's that he's jealous
Gav: that
Gav: she
Gav: shagging
Gav: him
Gav: But he doesn't really care about her, so I don't know, it's a very strange power play here.
Dan: So she says, No, no, Larry, no, I don't want to
Dan: and poor Larry has got the bluest balls known to man at this point 'cause he they probably haven't had sex
Dan: in months, if not years.
Dan: He thought he was gonna get laid.
Dan: he got to the point where he was probably erect
Dan: and about
Dan: to do the deed and then she's like no no
Dan: no
Dan: she couldn't tell him why I can't because your brother's behind you with a rat
Dan: that he's peeling with a knife
Dan: all right
Dan: She didn't tell him that of course.
Dan: Frank just goes and hides back in the cupboard.
Gav: I'm imagining her actually saying
Gav: The reason is
Gav: your
Gav: skinless brother's behind you
Gav: and no, your brother's behind you, he has no skin and he's peeling a
Gav: rat with a knife.
Gav: It'd be like, What are you talking about?
Gav: Just tell me you have a headache.
Gav: You don't need to come up with such nonsense.
Gav: That'd what it'd say, 'cause you wouldn't
Gav: It'd be like, what the hell are you on
Gav: about?
Gav: Goes
Gav: off.
Dan: We have a
Dan: we have a nice little scene.
Dan: We have a nice little scene there where Larry goes up with his daughter to a Chinese restaurant and they have a little chat and he says, Look, I'm really worried about your stepmother
Dan: She's not acting like herself.
Dan: I'm not sure
Dan: what
Dan: what it is.
Dan: Maybe it's the move to the new house.
Dan: Meanwhile.
Dan: She's bringing in
Dan: number ma
Dan: man
Dan: number three, isn't she?
Gav: Uh uh
Gav: uh uh
Gav: before we get on to number three and what happens, because that pretty much brings Frank back if
Gav: I
Gav: I
Gav: remember correctly.
Gav: And the second time though, just before they were chatting
Gav: after
Gav: his second kill.
Gav: He
Gav: she sucks his fingers.
Dan: She does?
Dan: Oh
Gav: sh
Gav: who's sucking
Gav: skinless fingers?
Gav: Do
Gav: you
Gav: uh
Gav: I'm shocked that she didn't have a little tug
Gav: Skin
Gav: that's dick, is that just gonna be like
Gav: I don't even know what that looks like?
Dan: I don't know, I don't want to Google that either.
Dan: Don't Google it listeners.
Dan: So he's telling his daughter that he's a bit worried about his wife.
Dan: Meanwhile, yes, Julia gets man number three.
Dan: Brings him home.
Gav: But
Dan: however, however.
Dan: Mm
Gav: who's in the bushes having a little look?
Gav: Doing a bit of spy work almost
Gav: going
Gav: like
Gav: Well I don't know if she's going round to visit Kirsty.
Gav: I doubt it.
Gav: She
Gav: point out
Gav: dad was
Dan: saying look, Dad
Dan: Dad's worried about you.
Gav: Possibly, but uh
Gav: over
Gav: the road
Gav: uh
Gav: is
Gav: Uh uh
Gav: is
Gav: Kirsty is basically
Gav: sees Julia walking into the house, looking around and looking a bit sketchy.
Gav: Julia looks around as she goes in the house and shuts the door
Gav: So Kirsty
Gav: instantly, obviously, is gonna think, Oh my god, this is why my dad's concerned with Julian
Gav: uh and sh
Gav: she's behaving different.
Gav: She's
Gav: having affairs.
Gav: She's taking men home in the daytime.
Gav: And so she's like, What
Gav: fuck I'm gonna confront her because Kirsty's a strong woman
Gav: and she's like, I'm gonna confront her about this and storms into the house
Dan: And so she storms in, but we go up back upstairs and we see um
Dan: again she's hammering this guy in the head, but she doesn't do a very good job this time.
Dan: So Frank has to finish the job.
Dan: Um
Dan: For her
Dan: and then
Dan: we do get a little bit more of a glimpse as to what he does.
Dan: He seems to insert his fingers into the flesh of this guy's neck
Dan: from
Dan: behind.
Dan: It's quite sexual, isn't it?
Dan: It's almost like
Dan: He's having sex with him.
Dan: Um
Gav: Well
Gav: Yeah, he's inserting himself into him and then he's draining him
Gav: of
Gav: everything he's got.
Dan: There we go, we've all been there.
Dan: Um
Dan: yeah,
Dan: and Kirstie
Dan: uh
Dan: Kirsty's downstairs and she hears the shouting and the banging upstairs and thinks, what the hell's going on up there?
Gav: And and this is where Frank has his uh uh um
Gav: meatshake
Gav: Uh
Gav: so
Gav: you can hear the
Dan: A drink
Dan: or milkshake.
Dan: I drink it all up.
Gav: Meat shake.
Gav: Man
Gav: shake.
Gav: Uh
Gav: So
Dan: Judy
Dan: Kirsty goes upstairs and Julia hides.
Dan: Kirsty sees
Dan: she walks in on this she doesn't know it's her Uncle Frank at this point.
Dan: She might not have ever met him.
Dan: She walks in on him
Dan: draining this man from behind.
Dan: And he looks around and he goes
Dan: Uh it's me, it's your Uncle Frank.
Gav: Yeah, they
Gav: he
Gav: they have met uh
Gav: uh she must have been a lot younger, but he says
Gav: he says, don't you remember it's your Uncle Frank
Dan: And then he looks at her
Dan: and goes, you've grown
Dan: in a really horrible way.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Um
Dan: he says to her, oh it's
Dan: uh
Dan: he explain
Dan: he explains a bit of his backstory to his niece at this point and he says
Dan: it's all about
Dan: P
Dan: pleasure and pain and and how pain makes the pleasure even sweeter.
Dan: The the higher
Dan: the better the pain, the better the pleasure.
Gav: Come to daddy
Gav: It's the way he says it quite f fast
Gav: nicker.
Gav: Come to daddy
Gav: and it's like
Dan: She's a very smart girl
Dan: though.
Dan: She instantly grabs the cube
Dan: that I'm in configuration and he screams
Dan: Give it to me give it to me now
Dan: and the only way she can escape she throws it out the window.
Gav: But she hits him in the nuts to grab the box
Gav: And it's like
Gav: I was like
Gav: I was
Gav: like
Gav: I I taught my girls when they're younger, I said
Gav: anytime you gotta really get out of a situation, the nutshot is
Gav: is your way out, you know, if you have to, if the thing happens.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: They do that on
Dan: on Scooby-Doo 2, the Black Knight
Dan: um
Dan: ghost.
Dan: At one point, um
Dan: Sarah
Dan: Shilgell
Dan: is
Dan: fighting him.
Dan: And
Dan: Velma
Dan: 's like, there's only one weak spot.
Dan: And she reads it from this book.
Dan: And she shows her and she just kicks him right in the nuts.
Dan: And Edith was like, Daddy.
Dan: Yeah, she
Dan: said
Dan: daddy they kicked him right in the balls.
Dan: I said, they did, Edith.
Dan: They really did.
Gav: Good work, Edith.
Dan: Um so yeah she smashes the cube out of the window
Dan: um
Dan: and he sort of screams
Dan: like
Dan: no
Dan: because
Dan: obviously he needs that.
Gav: Well it's great she thinks
Gav: she's very clever, fast thinking.
Gav: She throws it out the window
Gav: and
Gav: she runs downstairs
Gav: and
Gav: grabs it where she's thrown it and keeps on going.
Gav: Luckily
Gav: she didn't break in
Gav: open up the whole of hell.
Dan: Oh
Dan: Jesus.
Dan: Well
Dan: she collapses and a lot of kind strangers sort of gather around her.
Dan: Thankfully they were
Dan: kind strangers 'cause
Dan: Could have been anybody.
Gav: And then she
Gav: she wakes up to
Gav: Dr.
Gav: Lionel Ritchie.
Dan: Hello.
Gav: Hello, you're in
Gav: hospital.
Gav: I'm your doctor, Lionel Ritchie.
Dan: He is a bit line of Richie.
Dan: He thinks his head
Gav: Little
Gav: Ritchie.
Gav: I was like, what the fuck's Little
Gav: Ritchie doing in this?
Gav: Um
Dan: we do see a vision
Dan: of
Dan: perhaps
Dan: Frank's intentions of a flower blooming and blossoming.
Dan: And this comes up again a few more times.
Dan: And I'm wondering if he thinks
Gav: it does.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: She's
Dan: she's not a virgin because she's with Steve, but I'm wondering if he thinks
Dan: I need to sort of
Dan: break her virginity with regards to like S and M
Dan: or
Dan: that kind of thing.
Gav: Or is it a representation to her regeneration
Gav: of him and his
Gav: cells and them coming back?
Gav: It's a strange
Gav: representation of it though because
Gav: it's quite uh quite a soft thing of flower, isn't it?
Gav: Where
Gav: what he's doing, everything that he bel
Gav: belongs to, and everything he believes in is fucking gross and yucky and horrible
Dan: Well the doctor
Dan: 's a bit of a dick here.
Dan: He kinda says to her, like, well
Dan: who are you?
Dan: What's going on?
Dan: You know, you
Dan: refined with this box, you wouldn't let go of it.
Dan: What what is this box?
Dan: And um
Dan: He
Dan: says,
Dan: I'll leave you here for now.
Dan: You'll be alright.
Dan: I'll I'll come back in a moment.
Dan: Leave you with the box.
Dan: So she's straight away she's playing with the box
Dan: and she she manages to solve it
Gav: Opens up a doorway uh
Gav: to another dimension of hell or whatever the fuck it is, uh in seconds.
Gav: Like, oh
Gav: can't you just
Gav: Chill out
Gav: for a minute.
Dan: So this door, this door, a tunnel, one endless tunnel
Dan: opens up down
Dan: in the side of the hospital room.
Gav: One
Gav: thing for this movie, I don't know if it's because
Gav: I presume
Gav: yes
Gav: and no.
Gav: Um
Gav: Uh
Gav: because the writer
Gav: it was a book and then the writer actually directed it as well.
Gav: It is
Gav: fast
Gav: paced
Gav: to fuck.
Gav: Everything in this movie.
Gav: It's not a long movie and it just moves, moves, moves, moves.
Gav: Every scene's moving it along.
Gav: Possibly not the pet
Gav: shop scene.
Dan: It's an hour and thirty-four minutes.
Gav: Yeah, and I don't know if if then it's the producers with the editor or just Clive Barkham working with the editorial department.
Gav: Because it is snappy as shit and it just keeps you going the whole time.
Gav: Like I said, she just wakes up
Gav: hospital
Gav: five fucking
Gav: less than a minute later, she's opened up a portal to hell.
Gav: It's go, go, go, which is
Gav: I think
Gav: works really well in its favour of
Gav: this movie.
Dan: Yeah, you're never bored.
Dan: You're never bored in this film.
Dan: She walks into the tunnel, this endless, seemingly endless tunnel, and there's screaming in the distance and voices.
Dan: And then this giant cock
Dan: Maggot
Dan: jumps out of her.
Dan: Now it's obviously quite a phallic
Dan: symbol,
Dan: maybe even more so because it's
Dan: in like a tight tunnel.
Dan: And this big
Dan: maggot
Dan: cenobyte thing in the shape of a cock jumps out at her with like weird limbs and legs.
Dan: And she's like,
Dan: Jesus, go out, obviously, as you would.
Dan: She runs back to her the hospital room and the and the door shuts
Dan: And then the TV flickers.
Dan: Well she
Gav: changes the box configuration again.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: And then um
Dan: the teeth chatterer arrives.
Gav: Well you hear a bell sound
Gav: She changes the configuration
Gav: dilling.
Gav: No.
Gav: Uh what
Gav: the fuck's this mean?
Gav: What the fuck's the bell?
Gav: Yeah, it's like
Gav: oh shit, what's this?
Gav: Um
Dan: tea
Dan: tatter arrived, then so does Pinhead and so does Butterball.
Dan: And he says to her, you opened it, we came.
Dan: She's like, what?
Dan: Who?
Dan: What do you mean?
Dan: Thought this was like a Rubik's Cube
Dan: and he explains a little bit he says um
Dan: we are demons to some
Dan: angels to others
Dan: um
Dan: We've got s you know
Dan: such
Dan: sites to show you all the famous quotes.
Dan: Um
Dan: the female standard byte is there as well and he says, You must come with us now.
Dan: She starts crying and he says the famous
Dan: no tears please.
Dan: It's a waste of good suffering.
Dan: Um
Dan: and she basically says, no, no, no, you don't understand
Dan: This was my Uncle Frank's and they're like
Dan: no
Dan: no Frank's dead
Dan: and she's like
Dan: no he's not
Dan: and
Dan: look
Dan: he's alive
Dan: and I can take it to him and they're like
Dan: hmm
Dan: okay well
Dan: he has escaped hell
Dan: so
Dan: We do need to catch him, so I'll tell you what we'll do.
Dan: We'll let you off at this point.
Dan: If you can take us to Frank and tell us where he is.
Dan: I love
Dan: it.
Dan: We might let you off.
Gav: It's like with a devil making a deal, isn't it?
Dan: He does say to her, Oh, it's
Gav: lying.
Gav: It's the lady, ladies
Gav: in
Gav: the bite.
Gav: She says
Gav: uh
Gav: uh
Gav: or
Gav: or he says it but one of her says
Gav: no, I think it's her
Gav: If you fucking lie
Gav: we'll fucking kill you.
Gav: Basically he says
Dan: he says
Dan: if you're lying, we're tell we're we'll tell
Dan: tear your soul apart.
Dan: The classic line.
Gav: Oh no, that is
Gav: that is
Gav: uh pinhead that says that line.
Gav: Um
Gav: the
Gav: the other one's uh
Gav: but
Gav: does say something
Gav: about them like
Gav: don't fuck us around
Gav: sort of thing.
Gav: So I can't remember the exact wording.
Dan: So we cut back to the house, Frank and Julia are discussing, oh shit, Kirsty knows, she's seen you.
Dan: Um, Larry gets home.
Dan: Julia?
Dan: Oh
Dan: Julia.
Gav: Very very quickly the cend
Gav: uh when the centibotes turn up, the teeth chatterer
Gav: uh
Gav: p
Gav: just sticks his fingers down her throat
Gav: and holds her and it's like, oh, that's so yucky.
Dan: It's not a great
Dan: you'd be
Dan: you'd think you're on some pretty damn good medication in the hospital room if those guys turned up.
Dan: Yeah, yeah.
Dan: I
Dan: dread to think what the female
Dan: centiby
Dan: does, she's just got like s
Dan: Pole
Dan: through that
Dan: through that.
Gav: Yeah, yeah.
Gav: And and and back
Gav: and back then when they did turn up that was when
Gav: Pin had said some of us
Gav: uh uh
Gav: the
Gav: the uh
Gav: demons for some, angels for others, which I thought was a brilliant line
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: And Larry says, what have you
Dan: what's going on in that room?
Dan: What's going on, Judy?
Dan: And she says, why don't you see for yourself?
Dan: So Larry goes into the room.
Dan: Meanwhile, Steve is searching for his girlfriend Kirsty.
Dan: Um
Dan: Christy arrives home,
Dan: Judy lets her in.
Gav: I I thought it was uh a bit of a shame we didn't see Andrew Robinson's death.
Dan: Yeah, I suppose they thought it was gonna be a bit a bit of a twist.
Gav: Because you
Gav: you're basically not letting the audience know so
Gav: does some of the audience think it's it is her dad.
Gav: But it's so obvious with the blood and the way he's reacting that it isn't
Gav: So I think someone
Gav: it might even be a producer that said
Gav: I don't do that
Gav: or something, but I think it'd have been a lot better to
Gav: shown
Gav: him, walk in the room, look, say
Gav: hi
Gav: brother and then actually have a conversation.
Gav: And
Gav: then
Gav: possibly even Julia
Gav: hitting him on the head, which would have been such a turn.
Gav: And
Gav: and br
Gav: brother looking at
Gav: Naheem looking at Julia
Gav: saying, Why have you done this?
Gav: What the fuck?
Gav: And then
Gav: You know, I thought that could have been a really powerful scene.
Dan: Yeah, you could
Dan: you could make it
Dan: feel even more sorry for him because you could go, Julia, I've done everything for you, I've tried nothing but to give you happiness.
Dan: And this is what's happening.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: She's like, I'm sorry, but you
Dan: just
Gav: You just
Dan: you're no good in bed, mate.
Gav: But you can you can imagine that scene.
Gav: It's almost for
Gav: like it's a scene
Gav: a deleted scene or something, but uh I feel that's a bit of a misstep.
Gav: But then again, it might be in the book, I don't know
Gav: Hm
Gav: well
Dan: I think I think the reason it works quite well th
Dan: this way
Dan: is because
Dan: she walks in the room and her dad's
Dan: what she thinks is her dad is sat there and he's
Dan: We
Dan: the audience
Dan: see all this weird blood
Dan: oozing down the back of his neck.
Gav: So that's why I don't think it does well
Gav: at all, personally.
Dan: And she says, Where's Frank?
Dan: I saw him earlier, Dad.
Dan: You don't understand.
Dan: He's
Dan: he's back and he doesn't seem human and he's like
Dan: Don't worry about it.
Dan: I killed him.
Dan: She's like, what do you mean?
Dan: He's like, I don't want to talk about it.
Dan: It's the worst thing I've ever done, but I've killed him.
Dan: He's dead.
Dan: You don't need to make
Dan: it a bit more.
Gav: It's like what what you
Gav: what are you talking about?
Dan: And she says,
Dan: Can I see Frank's body?
Dan: I want to go and see him.
Gav: Why?
Gav: Why?
Dan: So she
Dan: says,
Dan: if
Dan: you must.
Dan: So she goes up to the um
Dan: bedroom and she sees a bloody
Dan: drained skeleton on the ground
Dan: Um
Dan: and she thinks, is
Dan: that that's probably him.
Dan: She doesn't realise that's actually her dad.
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: Um
Dan: and then the cenobites appear.
Dan: And they're like, where's Frank?
Dan: You said he'd be here.
Gav: But unfortunately for Kirsty, it works well for Frank Diddles.
Gav: He doesn't even know that how well this is working for him.
Gav: Kirsty's like, no, that's my dad.
Gav: You can't have my dad.
Gav: Frank's dead.
Dan: Yep.
Gav: And she doesn't know this.
Gav: It's actually Frank's body, but she
Gav: I don't
Gav: she
Gav: tell you what, if I
Gav: w went round and I saw my mum, I was like
Gav: mum
Gav: The fuck's there blood all round your fucking face for?
Gav: Going like
Gav: all round
Gav: the whole thing.
Gav: I'd be like
Gav: the same
Gav: going on here.
Gav: She doesn't even ask that.
Gav: I guess she assumes it's blood from
Gav: killing her
Gav: uncle.
Gav: Which is also
Gav: crazy though when you think about it.
Dan: Well, Kirsty and Julia then have a bit of a physical sort of
Dan: scrap.
Dan: Um, and she's like, Dad, what's going on?
Dan: And then this is where
Dan: Larry says
Dan: Come to daddy.
Dan: And she knows that that is actually her uncle wearing her dad.
Gav: It's your pervy
Gav: uncle!
Gav: Run!
Dan: So Kirstie
Dan: scratches his fake face
Gav: of flesh comes off of uh
Gav: father's skin.
Dan: Um
Dan: He flicks a knife open and he goes to stab Kirsty, but then he kind of
Dan: she moves out of the way and he just
Dan: goes into
Dan: his
Dan: lover.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Julia, but he just thinks
Dan: fuck it.
Dan: And he just says to her
Gav: again.
Gav: Nothing personal.
Gav: Yeah, he didn't care
Gav: personal.
Gav: She meant nothing to him.
Gav: And uh uh she
Gav: Uh I'm glad we see that 'cause obviously she probably has that realisation that she was being used and
Gav: and she's lost everything.
Gav: It's quite a sad story when you think about it.
Gav: It's a whole family being just d
Gav: destroyed by
Gav: The inside the family, the family destroying the family.
Dan: Addiction.
Dan: Hmm.
Dan: Addiction destroying the family.
Dan: Um
Dan: he then drains Julia
Dan: instantly, doesn't think two seconds about it, he just thinks, Well, there's more flesh for me to become more
Dan: even more human.
Dan: So he drains her instantly in front of her daughter.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Um
Dan: and then Frank's searching the whole house for Kirstine, she's hiding.
Dan: Um
Dan: There's a weird bit where a maggot-filled body falls on her.
Dan: It must have been one of the victims from earlier.
Dan: I don't know where Julia's been hiding these bodies in this house and why Larry hasn't ever found all these bodies
Dan: covered in maggots.
Dan: Um
Dan: But Frank
Dan: Frank finally finds her.
Dan: Um
Dan: she
Dan: she trips over
Dan: her dad's corpse
Dan: trying to get away from him.
Dan: Great, that's not good is it?
Gav: No.
Gav: Um
Dan: and he he says, come
Dan: on
Dan: Dear old Uncle Frank is here.
Dan: Why don't you come here?
Dan: But
Dan: the
Dan: cinnabites arrived at this point.
Dan: They've located Frank.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: And hook hooks
Dan: just start flying out of the
Dan: no
Dan: nothing and hooking into his flesh
Dan: and
Dan: he pulls into his
Dan: arms.
Dan: At this point
Dan: my wife had come downstairs
Dan: um
Dan: she'd been
Dan: putting the kids to bed.
Dan: She'd never seen it.
Dan: And I said to her
Dan: Sometimes she has a little bit of anxiety and stuff.
Dan: And I said to her, I'm not sure if you want to watch.
Dan: I'm on the last like 20 minutes now, 10
Dan: -15 minutes.
Dan: I don't know if you want to see this.
Dan: Oh, I'll be fine
Dan: And she did kinda look away a little bit because all these hooks start inserting themselves into the flesh and pulling them apart.
Dan: And
Dan: um
Dan: they basically
Dan: They say we heard your confession, you know, we heard what you said, so we know that we're
Dan: happy to hear that you've definitely escaped hell
Dan: and that you are the person that
Dan: that um
Dan: Kirsty
Dan: said you are
Dan: so we're gonna rip you apart now
Dan: give you the ultimate sort of orgasm or whatever it is you might want to call it
Dan: and
Dan: They put all these chains in his face and stretch his face wide
Dan: apart.
Gav: Now
Gav: this line which is fucking incredible, was this ad
Gav: libbed
Gav: by
Dan: wept.
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: Jesus
Gav: wept.
Gav: I feel like it's ablibbed, I don't know.
Gav: Um
Gav: it's fantastic.
Gav: It's just the way he's looking and the fact that he then brings religion into it.
Gav: Just saying Jesus read
Gav: is
Gav: the same.
Gav: And like I said
Dan: right at the beginning of this conversation, the look on his face as he's
Dan: Split second for me, Rick
Dan: Hart.
Dan: Absolute
Dan: the biggest pleasure you've ever seen, and it's really incredible.
Dan: And he's ripped into thousands of pieces.
Gav: I imagine
Gav: Clive Barker gave the direction to him.
Gav: When this is happening, you're in pleasure.
Gav: Oh
Gav: or
Gav: isn't a script.
Gav: You're you're you're like you're in an ecstasy.
Gav: You you're about to be ripped apart, but you're actually really fucking enjoying it
Gav: So, you know, convey
Gav: that slightly and it's
Gav: Andrew Robertson just does such a fantastic
Gav: that bit is so memorable.
Gav: So many parts of this movie is memorable
Dan: The female centerbyte then starts chasing Kirsty
Dan: because she's got the cube.
Dan: Um, and this is where Pinna says, we have such sights to show you.
Dan: Because he's a
Dan: great we've got another person to bring into our SM club
Dan: I'm gonna bring this young lady into
Dan: it
Dan: now.
Dan: Um
Dan: and
Dan: she manages to shut the box and he's like, no, no, and she shuts the box.
Dan: That makes all the setabytes completely vanish
Dan: Um
Dan: and they all get sucked into the cube.
Dan: Steve starts banging on the door outside.
Dan: He's like, oh, you know,
Dan: you were.
Dan: No.
Dan: Well I I was gonna ask you, like, imagine the explanation.
Dan: Where have you been?
Gav: He's literally going
Gav: round saying, Should we go out to the local happy eater and go get a go get a burger?
Gav: 'Cause it's the eighties
Gav: Uh and
Dan: she's like, well
Dan: look
Dan: ,
Dan: I woke up in a hospital.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: I opened a portal to help.
Gav: I haven't heard from you 'cause I've done
Gav: we don't have a mobile phone or internet
Gav: yet
Gav: So that
Gav: what
Gav: what's going on?
Gav: Where you've been?
Gav: Yeah, and she tries to explain this.
Gav: Basically, my uncle came back from the uh
Gav: dead
Gav: by my
Gav: by my aunt
Gav: my uh step
Gav: mum who was actually bringing men home
Gav: killing them
Gav: and he was sucking them like a milkshake.
Gav: He came back to human form
Gav: then killed my dad
Gav: and then to
Gav: warm my dad's skin and I've just been in there
Gav: but it's okay I brought these demons from hell back
Gav: uh uh uh uh
Gav: who took him back
Gav: but I escaped them
Gav: And
Gav: uh
Gav: you turned up wondering if you want to go down to the local happy eater.
Dan: 'Cause he literally turns up and the house is now collapsing around them.
Dan: Starting to catch fire.
Gav: It's
Gav: it's um
Gav: he's not believing her, I don't reckon
Dan: She grabs him is like run
Dan: come with me and as they go to go for
Dan: a door Butterball turns up who
Dan: 's this grotesque cell by
Gav: So this is her boyfriend's first sign
Gav: of any of this stuff like
Gav: what the fuck is that?
Dan: Butterball with his glasses on.
Dan: And then I think something collapses onto Butterball and sort of knocks him out.
Dan: And then then the big cock maggot appears and starts chasing them.
Dan: And he's like,
Gav: What's that?
Gav: Wha
Dan: why is there a kill
Dan: cock maggot here?
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: Um
Gav: and
Dan: and it knocks them over and she manages um
Dan: she manages to suck that one back into the box as well.
Dan: She banishes them all
Dan: Um
Dan: and
Dan: I've
Dan: put here
Dan: how does she explain all this to Steve later on?
Gav: No, because
Gav: no, because
Gav: then now they go over to the fire, she puts the box in the fire
Gav: The homeless guy turns up, he picks up the fucking box, turns into a massive dragon
Gav: demon type thing and flies away.
Gav: He must be then
Gav: And
Gav: what's that?
Gav: What
Gav: what is going on here?
Gav: Like she's gonna have to try and explain all of this to him.
Gav: How the fuck?
Dan: Yeah, and even like
Dan: the insurance company when they come out.
Dan: So the house has collapsed and caught fire and you're
Dan: Your
Dan: uncle who's been lost for years, your dad and your stepmum are all were all in there.
Dan: Hang on a minute, there's three other bodies in here as well.
Gav: Oh god, yeah.
Gav: Um
Dan: what what's going on?
Gav: But to make this film even better
Gav: box.
Gav: But this was what makes it
Gav: even better.
Gav: It's like gremlins almost or something.
Gav: At the end
Gav: we get back to the beginning again
Gav: where we get
Gav: What's your pleasure?
Gav: And we hear that again, so we know someone's about to buy the box and go through it all over again.
Gav: So that demon was taking the box back to that person that sells them
Dan: Yep.
Gav: Such so
Gav: good.
Gav: Just have that
Gav: so good.
Dan: Considering this is maybe the fifth, sixth
Dan: time I've seen this.
Dan: I completely forgot
Dan: that homeless guy turns up and turns into that dragon demon at the end.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Which is completely batshit
Dan: crazy.
Dan: But at this point, I'm on I'm in the ride so much, I don't mind.
Gav: Yeah, yeah.
Gav: This was a fantastic film.
Gav: I'm glad I chose
Gav: this movie to talk about.
Gav: I picked up a Blu-ray
Gav: to watch it
Gav: um
Gav: which was good i did go through all the extras i should have done really that's terrible of me sorry
Gav: listeners
Gav: um
Gav: i hope everybody's enjoyed that
Gav: please
Gav: let us know
Gav: your
Gav: thoughts and opinions on Hellraiser.
Gav: If you don't like Hellraiser, please let us know you don't like Hellraiser.
Gav: Um
Gav: or if you like the sequels and that but that's a massive thumbs up for me, Dan
Dan: Yes, by the way he did add
Dan: lib.
Dan: Jesus swept.
Dan: You're right.
Dan: Look, this film is deservably
Dan: a massive thumbs up covered in nails rammed into it.
Dan: Um
Dan: It's
Dan: not
Dan: quite a film
Dan: gods movie, but it's god damn
Dan: damn near there.
Gav: I'd say so
Gav: if ten out of ten
Gav: 's got
Gav: gods, this is eight point five nine.
Gav: out
Gav: of ten.
Dan: Yeah, yeah.
Dan: It it's an incredible film.
Dan: Um
Dan: the effects alone are fantastic, but then
Dan: talking the score and the visuals
Dan: and the weird story and
Dan: the
Dan: the weird
Dan: s
Dan: it's just a seedy
Dan: film.
Dan: And it works so well 'cause sometimes films are CD
Dan: and it doesn't work.
Dan: You're like, oh it's just CD for being CD
Dan: but this is
Dan: CD for being
Dan: I don't know, it's just it's hard to explain.
Gav: Any of you um uh listeners who have not seen Hellraiser
Gav: and now after that, obviously we've fucking s
Gav: spoiled the whole film as we do.
Gav: We review the whole movie
Gav: from begin to end
Gav: so you know what's gonna happen but if you've never seen it and you
Gav: go and watch it
Gav: please let us know your thoughts and your opinions of how you felt
Gav: after watching it for the first time what you thought about the movie.
Gav: I'd be really interested to see someone now what I think about it.
Gav: I would say my kids, but if
Gav: it's very hard to get them to watch anything past like
Gav: two
Gav: thousand.
Dan: If it's done its job, then this
Dan: film will make you feel a little bit horny
Dan: and a little bit disgusted all at the same time.
Gav: I don't know about the horny bit, but that's Dan.
Gav: Dan likes weird stuff.
Dan: I was 16 or 17, so
Dan: you know.
Dan: Um
Dan: by the way, Lance
Dan: Hendrickson
Dan: was very close to playing Frank in this movie.
Gav: Wow.
Gav: Um
Dan: But he turned it down because he was offered the part of Near Dark
Dan: in the same year, so he
Dan: made near dark instead.
Gav: You could
Gav: you you just know he doesn't give a shit about anybody.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: A mer
Dan: amazing film and I'm really glad to have covered that with you, Gav.
Dan: Yeah, I really
Dan: recommend.
Gav: I hope uh
Gav: uh uh uh you all have enjoyed listening to us talk about
Gav: film because it's really good to dissect
Gav: and get into.
Gav: A great conversation,
Gav: but we're going to do that.
Gav: Hello
Gav: listeners.
Gav: Well here's a little bit of a surprise for you all.
Gav: A bit of icing on the cake can we say?
Gav: A bit of icing on the Hellraiser cake if there was such a thing
Gav: Um
Gav: I've got a little interview here and a little chat with uh
Gav: it's funny to say chat
Gav: because it is in fact
Gav: the teeth chatterer himself, Nicholas Vince.
Gav: Hello, how are you?
Gav: I'm
Nicholas Vince: very
Nicholas Vince: well.
Gav: I have messaged you before and said uh I've j I've gone and wrote in the word chat and then I've taken it back because I think
Gav: do you
Gav: you think I'm taking a piss or something?
Nicholas Vince: Well
Nicholas Vince: listen
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: this is my brand.
Nicholas Vince: I mean
Nicholas Vince: you know I've done
Nicholas Vince: what
Nicholas Vince: you know I done I've done two podcasts that feature the word chat and them you know there's a chattering hour or chattering with Nicholas
Nicholas Vince: Vince.
Nicholas Vince: So yeah, no, I'm I'm completely cool cool with this and it's almost inevitable, really.
Nicholas Vince: It's very hard to if you're British
Nicholas Vince: to avoid the word chat.
Gav: Even
Gav: Teams
Gav: has up at the top
Gav: chat.
Gav: Records chat and people.
Nicholas Vince: Yes, yes.
Nicholas Vince: Yes.
Nicholas Vince: It's an Americanism as well.
Nicholas Vince: Yes.
Gav: If anything though, it's quite an apt uh
Gav: name for your character.
Gav: Now th that sp
Gav: the character we're speaking of, listeners, you have just listened to Dan and I
Gav: talk about the Hellraiser.
Gav: movie the
Gav: the movie
Gav: which
Gav: Nick I will definitely say
Gav: which we decided uh uh
Gav: while reviewing it
Gav: it was close to
Gav: when we review films
Gav: every once in a while you have a gods
Gav: movie
Gav: So
Gav: where the film
Gav: gods looked down on the movie and everything aligned and it all went perfect.
Gav: Now
Gav: Hellraiser
Gav: isn't
Gav: film
Gav: gods
Gav: But it's so close.
Gav: It is so up there.
Nicholas Vince: Oh
Nicholas Vince: interesting.
Gav: Watching it back again with a
Gav: uh uh
Gav: an eye nowadays, a more mature
Gav: eye I'd like to say, from when I was a teenager when I watched it
Gav: Because it freaked me out when I
Gav: watched
Gav: I I think I first watched it
Gav: was
Gav: probably about at ten
Gav: or eleven and it kind of just freaked me the fuck out because I didn't know.
Gav: And then and
Gav: even Julia bringing w uh men home from uh for
Gav: afternoon sex
Nicholas Vince: Yeah.
Gav: As a child that
Gav: that
Gav: even that blew my mind, doesn't I d but but doesn't mum and dad have sex, do you know what I mean?
Gav: It's just
Gav: it's so like, what the fuck?
Nicholas Vince: Well th
Nicholas Vince: i
Nicholas Vince: it
Nicholas Vince: it's funny
Nicholas Vince: you should mention, you know, the fat
Nicholas Vince: Julia
Nicholas Vince: bringing men home.
Nicholas Vince: You know, because we uh
Nicholas Vince: often, and Doug talk, Doug Bradley
Nicholas Vince: talks m so eloquently about this, you know, pointing out the
Nicholas Vince: the uh
Nicholas Vince: the
Nicholas Vince: absurdity
Nicholas Vince: I guess that suddenly, you know, it was originally supposed to be set in London.
Nicholas Vince: Larry has come with his wife.
Nicholas Vince: Julia and returning home.
Nicholas Vince: Julia is returning home to England.
Nicholas Vince: And then suddenly
Nicholas Vince: because
Nicholas Vince: of
Nicholas Vince: producers
Nicholas Vince: and
Nicholas Vince: being scared that people wouldn't in America
Nicholas Vince: might un
Nicholas Vince: understand a British accent.
Nicholas Vince: This is all before Downton
Nicholas Vince: Abbey, of course.
Nicholas Vince: Everyone understands a British accent now.
Gav: Yeah
Nicholas Vince: But you know, y
Nicholas Vince: you
Nicholas Vince: get these Americans
Nicholas Vince: and you're talking about the guys that
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: Julia brings home.
Nicholas Vince: Doug's like, you know
Nicholas Vince: You've got this weird that
Nicholas Vince: Julia was coming home, possibly to Boston.
Nicholas Vince: You have a uh
Nicholas Vince: an
Nicholas Vince: intern
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: a British train going past
Nicholas Vince: at the back.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: Ashley is
Nicholas Vince: um obviously American
Nicholas Vince: Uh
Nicholas Vince: the actor who played uh
Nicholas Vince: her boyfriend was English, but they dubbed to American.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: was dubbed to American
Gav: Oh.
Nicholas Vince: Um, as an English accent but dubbed to American, um, to play
Nicholas Vince: playing Frank.
Nicholas Vince: But it's the fact that Julia manages to go out in America
Nicholas Vince: and find
Nicholas Vince: Three British men.
Nicholas Vince: She is very specific
Nicholas Vince: as to why.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah
Gav: She
Gav: very
Gav: clued
Gav: on in the bar or pub.
Gav: Like, oh I guess uh looking over
Gav: oh that one's British, I can tell.
Nicholas Vince: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
Nicholas Vince: It's just kinda
Nicholas Vince: Of like, yeah, it's something about your accent, I'm gonna murder you.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: It it does
Gav: I I do like the I love the setting of it itself.
Gav: Now
Gav: um
Gav: um
Gav: Uh
Gav: well let's get on.
Gav: I've got sort of questions to get there.
Gav: How did you
Gav: get involved with Hellraiser?
Gav: Did you know Clive before?
Gav: Uh
Gav: were
Gav: you were you quite young at the time when you played?
Nicholas Vince: Well
Nicholas Vince: now I was
Nicholas Vince: twenty
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: was
Nicholas Vince: Twenty-eight.
Nicholas Vince: Oh you're twenty-eight.
Gav: I wasn't really sure.
Gav: I wasn't sure.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah
Nicholas Vince: no
Nicholas Vince: because I'm
Nicholas Vince: I'm very old.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: Simon
Nicholas Vince: 's younger than me
Nicholas Vince: Bob
Nicholas Vince: is slightly older than me.
Nicholas Vince: Clive's slightly older than me.
Nicholas Vince: Doug's slightly older than me.
Nicholas Vince: But we're all around about that generation.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Did you know
Nicholas Vince: Clive's in the late twenties?
Gav: Okay, did you know Clive
Gav: then?
Nicholas Vince: Yes, we'd met at a party.
Nicholas Vince: Uh
Nicholas Vince: through
Nicholas Vince: Simon, I think.
Nicholas Vince: I mean, you know, it was the classic
Nicholas Vince: thing.
Nicholas Vince: So Simon Bamford
Nicholas Vince: plays butterball.
Nicholas Vince: He and I went to Mount View Theatre School in North
Nicholas Vince: in Crouch
Nicholas Vince: End in North London.
Nicholas Vince: Mountview's been at two different venues.
Nicholas Vince: It's now in South London
Nicholas Vince: now, the theatre school.
Nicholas Vince: It
Nicholas Vince: has a great reputation.
Nicholas Vince: So yeah, and I
Nicholas Vince: I think it
Nicholas Vince: Simon
Nicholas Vince: Clive saw Simon
Nicholas Vince: in one of the shows at Mount View, invited him to join Clive's
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: French theatre company, the Dog Company.
Nicholas Vince: And
Nicholas Vince: Simon must
Nicholas Vince: I'm
Nicholas Vince: I the only reason I can think I would be at a reason at a party
Nicholas Vince: that Clive was at, which happened to be in Crouch
Nicholas Vince: and was because someone would have invited me.
Gav: Okay.
Gav: Um
Nicholas Vince: so
Nicholas Vince: yeah, I
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: just hit
Nicholas Vince: it off and I did some modelling for Clive.
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: the um
Nicholas Vince: covers of the books of blood
Nicholas Vince: that
Nicholas Vince: Clive painted
Nicholas Vince: uh one of the the hardback editions
Nicholas Vince: clive painted
Nicholas Vince: you can find bits of me that
Nicholas Vince: it
Nicholas Vince: volume four
Nicholas Vince: you can very clearly see that this is my face
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: okay and yeah, so I've been modeling for Clive and then you know he just suddenly said
Nicholas Vince: Nick would you like to be in a movie?
Nicholas Vince: There is some makeup involved.
Gav: Which we're gonna get on to.
Gav: Um
Gav: that's uh
Gav: that's really interesting because
Gav: I
Gav: watched the movie, it's very
Gav: s
Gav: the direction is very, very assured.
Gav: It's it's for a first
Gav: time
Gav: director.
Gav: He
Gav: i it's very clear.
Gav: But then I was thinking, well, because he's written it already
Gav: Uh
Gav: in story form, he knows in his head what it looks like very clearly.
Gav: W
Gav: was he like
Gav: super prepped?
Gav: Was he very confident?
Gav: Was it or was it a producers
Gav: helping along the way?
Nicholas Vince: This is interesting.
Nicholas Vince: I mean obviously Clive can tell you more about this than I can, but what Clive has told me and what Clive has said publicly
Nicholas Vince: is that
Nicholas Vince: We
Nicholas Vince: made Hellraiser
Nicholas Vince: forty years ago this month, basically, October.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, so I
Nicholas Vince: you know
Nicholas Vince: it's this time of
Nicholas Vince: yeah, it's this time of the year that we made
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: Hellraiser.
Nicholas Vince: And
Nicholas Vince: famously he said that, you know, way before the internet, he
Nicholas Vince: said that
Nicholas Vince: he went to his local library to get a book on how to direct films.
Nicholas Vince: And somebody else had borrowed it.
Nicholas Vince: So he walked up on
Nicholas Vince: set and said, okay, what do we do?
Nicholas Vince: Um, and I feel
Nicholas Vince: it
Nicholas Vince: you know, people
Nicholas Vince: say, oh, he wasn't repaired.
Nicholas Vince: Well
Nicholas Vince: no, he was just very honest.
Nicholas Vince: And the thing is, Christopher Fick, the producer
Nicholas Vince: had
Nicholas Vince: assembled a really good
Nicholas Vince: team of people
Nicholas Vince: and then you know
Nicholas Vince: particularly Robin Vigeon, the director of photography.
Nicholas Vince: Now Robin had worked on things with
Nicholas Vince: like
Nicholas Vince: The Lion in Winter, uh
Nicholas Vince: starring Catherine Hepburn
Nicholas Vince: and um
Nicholas Vince: Peter O'Toole.
Nicholas Vince: And he was an assistant cameraman
Nicholas Vince: and
Nicholas Vince: worked with this
Nicholas Vince: particular DOP for you know
Nicholas Vince: 20 odd years
Nicholas Vince: and was
Nicholas Vince: now uh only recently branching out on his own.
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: he
Nicholas Vince: tremendous experience.
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: Blive said one of the secrets of Hellraiser
Nicholas Vince: and his success as a director was he was surrounded by
Nicholas Vince: people who knew what they were doing and were very generous with their knowledge.
Nicholas Vince: They could have, you know
Nicholas Vince: if
Nicholas Vince: they'd not got on, they could
Nicholas Vince: a
Nicholas Vince: it could have
Nicholas Vince: all gone horribly wrong, but it didn't,
Nicholas Vince: because he was working
Nicholas Vince: people
Nicholas Vince: I think
Nicholas Vince: really
Nicholas Vince: and again you'd have to ask Robin.
Nicholas Vince: I've n I I've not met Robin
Nicholas Vince: since.
Nicholas Vince: But
Nicholas Vince: Everyone seemed to share the vision.
Nicholas Vince: They wanted to make a really, really good
Nicholas Vince: film.
Nicholas Vince: And
Nicholas Vince: so
Nicholas Vince: yes, I think Clive was very.
Nicholas Vince: Clive was very obviously you know
Nicholas Vince: Clive's an artist, so he will have
Nicholas Vince: he
Nicholas Vince: he did all the storyboards I believe.
Nicholas Vince: So he knew what he wanted.
Nicholas Vince: He knew how
Nicholas Vince: but was also flexible enough to
Nicholas Vince: work
Nicholas Vince: with the limitations of time.
Nicholas Vince: Well not time, because we always used to work way
Nicholas Vince: I used to get
Nicholas Vince: I got paid more over
Nicholas Vince: I made more money I think
Nicholas Vince: in overtime
Nicholas Vince: than I
Nicholas Vince: did it
Nicholas Vince: 'Cause it
Nicholas Vince: we went to
Nicholas Vince: you're supposed to finish around about six o'clock at night.
Nicholas Vince: We
Nicholas Vince: regularly finished about eight o'clock at night.
Gav: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: and it it's just like, oh
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: so you know, that was
Nicholas Vince: I think
Nicholas Vince: and th but
Nicholas Vince: that was because Clive said, no
Nicholas Vince: can we do this?
Nicholas Vince: And people were willing to do it.
Nicholas Vince: There's such a good atmosphere on set.
Nicholas Vince: I think that does always come from the director.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Clive would
Nicholas Vince: listen.
Nicholas Vince: As I say, he knew that these people knew what they were doing.
Nicholas Vince: I think Robin Vigeon explained to him about
Nicholas Vince: lenses that
Nicholas Vince: are different
Nicholas Vince: what sort of lens
Nicholas Vince: would produce a different depth of field and how much you'd see and etc.
Nicholas Vince: And Clive learned very quickly.
Nicholas Vince: So that
Nicholas Vince: a few couple of days later, Clive said, Well, so are we gonna do a thirty
Nicholas Vince: on this or a fifty on this?
Nicholas Vince: Is that right, you know?
Gav: Yep.
Gav: Um
Nicholas Vince: so I think
Nicholas Vince: That is part of, you know,
Nicholas Vince: one of the reasons I
Nicholas Vince: And it's just his vision.
Gav: Imagine having Hellraiser's your crash course for the rectum
Gav: Like, it
Gav: it's up there with the
Gav: the classic horror movies.
Gav: You you are in one of the classic horror movies of the genre.
Gav: It is up there of the top ten
Gav: horror movies
Gav: which make
Gav: The horror genre.
Gav: Absolutely.
Gav: And how that's your crash course as directing is just
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, I know
Nicholas Vince: absolutely.
Nicholas Vince: But I think
Nicholas Vince: and again this is of course
Nicholas Vince: is something to do with film sets as well, is that
Nicholas Vince: It is a very collaborative process.
Nicholas Vince: I mean
Nicholas Vince: you know I go to conventions
Nicholas Vince: and
Nicholas Vince: sign
Nicholas Vince: autographs of the
Nicholas Vince: Chatterer.
Nicholas Vince: Now, the Chatterer looks the way it does
Nicholas Vince: because
Nicholas Vince: of a conversation I had with Clive
Nicholas Vince: Clive has always said that we created the chathoe together along with Nigel Booth, the man who actually did the sculpting of the makeup, plus
Nicholas Vince: Jane Wild
Nicholas Vince: Goose and uh
Nicholas Vince: Rosemary
Nicholas Vince: Sylvester Fischer
Nicholas Vince: Jane who designed the costume, uh
Nicholas Vince: Rosemary
Nicholas Vince: who made the costume.
Nicholas Vince: Then you have that then start bringing in all the lighting, all the cameraman, you know everybody else who was on that set to actually, you know, bring that in.
Nicholas Vince: But I think
Nicholas Vince: I've lost my train of thought now.
Gav: The teeth chatter
Gav: uh
Gav: costume.
Nicholas Vince: Oh yeah, so
Nicholas Vince: it was based on
Nicholas Vince: something that happened to me as
Nicholas Vince: well
Nicholas Vince: it
Nicholas Vince: discussed in my film I Am
Nicholas Vince: Monsters
Nicholas Vince: is that
Nicholas Vince: Something happened to me when I was 19 years old.
Nicholas Vince: There was a major surgery
Nicholas Vince: on my face.
Nicholas Vince: And
Nicholas Vince: I told Clive what had happened to me and he'd obviously just stored this away in his mind.
Nicholas Vince: And that's the inspiration for the design of the teeth and the pulled back
Nicholas Vince: lips and so on.
Gav: Wow.
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: yeah, I mean i it
Nicholas Vince: it is
Gav: Very personal.
Gav: Oh
Nicholas Vince: incredibly personal.
Nicholas Vince: Oh
Nicholas Vince: I didn't make the connections
Nicholas Vince: a couple of months after filming.
Nicholas Vince: That's
Nicholas Vince: so funny.
Nicholas Vince: It's like
Nicholas Vince: Oh yeah, I did tell you that, didn't I?
Nicholas Vince: Because at the time
Nicholas Vince: you know, I was so
Nicholas Vince: d
Nicholas Vince: taking so much else
Nicholas Vince: this was my first ever film.
Nicholas Vince: I was, you know
Nicholas Vince: completely overwhelmed by the entire experience.
Gav: And speaking of it being your first film, um
Gav: you you'd said you'd done theatre work before so that obviously was preparing you to
Gav: be a spoken word
Gav: actor, etc
Gav: etc.
Gav: And this is obviously uh
Gav: physical performance.
Gav: So
Gav: what was this like?
Gav: Did you do a lot of prep rehearsals or of
Nicholas Vince: I I I chattered my teeth in front of the bathroom mirror.
Nicholas Vince: Really?
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, yeah.
Nicholas Vince: I can't do it now.
Nicholas Vince: My teeth are too sensitive.
Gav: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: but yeah, I d I did do that.
Nicholas Vince: But it's interesting.
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: I mean I'd
Nicholas Vince: I'd only been out of drama school
Nicholas Vince: about three years or so when we made this.
Nicholas Vince: And of course at drama school we were taught mime.
Nicholas Vince: And there were two lessons I remember clearly kind of feeding into Chatterer.
Nicholas Vince: One was a mime
Nicholas Vince: lesson
Nicholas Vince: where we were told to
Nicholas Vince: Get a cardboard box.
Nicholas Vince: You know, go to the local supermarket.
Nicholas Vince: Get a cardboard box that could fit over your head.
Nicholas Vince: You weren't allowed to cut it, you weren't allowed to decorate it, you just had to bring it into the class.
Nicholas Vince: And then, you know,
Nicholas Vince: we're all there
Nicholas Vince: dressed in our black liotard.
Nicholas Vince: Black
Nicholas Vince: tides
Nicholas Vince: for for mine.
Nicholas Vince: Cars
Nicholas Vince: and
Nicholas Vince: the teachers that
Nicholas Vince: rank.
Nicholas Vince: Bring that cardboard box to life and create a creature.
Nicholas Vince: And it was one of the most fascinating things I've done
Nicholas Vince: because
Nicholas Vince: y y
Nicholas Vince: it is purely physical.
Gav: You can uh
Gav: you know, you
Nicholas Vince: literally you've got it over your head.
Gav: Right
Nicholas Vince: You can't really see what you're doing.
Nicholas Vince: Obviously everyone has moved to
Nicholas Vince: you know, you've got plenty of space and you
Nicholas Vince: you're there for
Nicholas Vince: the
Nicholas Vince: but y
Nicholas Vince: there was just
Nicholas Vince: All you could do was
Nicholas Vince: sit, listen, react,
Nicholas Vince: move.
Nicholas Vince: So there was that one
Nicholas Vince: and then there was another
Nicholas Vince: lady who
Nicholas Vince: uh lesson
Nicholas Vince: with later
Nicholas Vince: cut
Nicholas Vince: acting lesson
Nicholas Vince: she
Nicholas Vince: and I remember she's
Nicholas Vince: saying
Nicholas Vince: and I remember the rest of my mates
Nicholas Vince: in the class saying this
Nicholas Vince: ridiculous she doesn't know what she's doing
Nicholas Vince: But she said, okay, act anger through your nose.
Nicholas Vince: It's like
Nicholas Vince: she
Nicholas Vince: said, just
Nicholas Vince: concentrate.
Nicholas Vince: And
Nicholas Vince: I can
Nicholas Vince: I get what I
Nicholas Vince: meant
Nicholas Vince: because
Nicholas Vince: she was
Nicholas Vince: She was
Nicholas Vince: that
Nicholas Vince: she wasn't like
Nicholas Vince: that she was older than the other teachers
Nicholas Vince: and that she had a very different style.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: But I really liked her and I go
Nicholas Vince: and I remember thinking, oh
Nicholas Vince: so
Nicholas Vince: basically what you were
Nicholas Vince: saying is use emotion
Nicholas Vince: you know
Nicholas Vince: you can't use all the other tricks that you're used to using
Nicholas Vince: When you are talking,
Nicholas Vince: everyone
Nicholas Vince: knows I wave my hands around like I
Nicholas Vince: a lot when I speak.
Nicholas Vince: All that's taken away.
Nicholas Vince: You've now got to act emotion through your nose, just with the tip of your nose.
Nicholas Vince: And it was a really interesting
Nicholas Vince: mind
Nicholas Vince: game.
Nicholas Vince: So I think
Nicholas Vince: those two things, it was just kind of like
Nicholas Vince: and
Nicholas Vince: Clive
Nicholas Vince: when
Nicholas Vince: He got Simon and I
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: involved.
Nicholas Vince: Well
Nicholas Vince: me particularly
Nicholas Vince: because I was
Nicholas Vince: I never had lines.
Nicholas Vince: Simon had originally got
Nicholas Vince: lines, so you definitely need an actor if you've got
Nicholas Vince: lines.
Nicholas Vince: But
Nicholas Vince: me
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: it
Nicholas Vince: they could have used an extra.
Nicholas Vince: They could have just put somebody in the suit.
Nicholas Vince: But Clive was very clear.
Nicholas Vince: He wanted
Nicholas Vince: actors
Nicholas Vince: who
Nicholas Vince: had gone through training.
Nicholas Vince: because
Nicholas Vince: of, you know,
Nicholas Vince: all the stuff I've been talking about earlier on.
Nicholas Vince: And he had to, you know, he had to fight for me
Nicholas Vince: and persuade the directors.
Nicholas Vince: And the
Nicholas Vince: the produces
Nicholas Vince: that uh
Nicholas Vince: I was the right person for the part.
Gav: But if you have yourself who has already gone through
Gav: that
Gav: uh um
Gav: it does make total sense.
Gav: Um what was your visibility and like your hearing
Gav: it was it
Gav: how
Gav: how how
Gav: long do the effects take to put on?
Nicholas Vince: Minimal.
Nicholas Vince: Okay.
Nicholas Vince: So the
Nicholas Vince: yeah
Nicholas Vince: so
Nicholas Vince: To
Nicholas Vince: when
Nicholas Vince: the makeup
Nicholas Vince: was
Nicholas Vince: on
Nicholas Vince: and it didn't take that long to get on
Nicholas Vince: because
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: basically you've got the plastic teeth
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: which would uh hold on to my teeth.
Nicholas Vince: Then you've got them
Nicholas Vince: you've got a bald
Nicholas Vince: cap
Nicholas Vince: covering my hair
Nicholas Vince: And then the the mask
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: it wasn't stuck to my skin as much.
Nicholas Vince: It was you know, it was sli
Nicholas Vince: slept over my face.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: but there was literally just a pinhole.
Nicholas Vince: So it was like
Gav: It was like being in the cardboard box again.
Nicholas Vince: If you put your hands over your ears you get that ringing noise in your ears.
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: 'cause you
Nicholas Vince: you've got that much
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: foam
Nicholas Vince: later.
Nicholas Vince: between you and the outside world, so it's very co
Nicholas Vince: is wr, you know, that is the constant noise.
Nicholas Vince: Basically it was a little like
Nicholas Vince: the torture of sensory deprivation.
Gav: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Because
Nicholas Vince: you know
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: cannot
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: obviously I've got plastic teeth in my mouth.
Nicholas Vince: Can't really speak clearly.
Nicholas Vince: I can't bring my lips together.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Gav: drinking first
Gav: draw, that sort of thing.
Nicholas Vince: Drinking first
Nicholas Vince: draw, yeah.
Gav: How how many hours were you in
Gav: costume?
Nicholas Vince: A couple occasions where they famously left me in for eight hours
Nicholas Vince: and then
Nicholas Vince: and then didn't film
Nicholas Vince: me
Nicholas Vince: and called me back the following day.
Gav: Oh okay.
Gav: Yes, uh not
Gav: no, yeah.
Gav: And
Gav: they obviously
Gav: still
Gav: and
Gav: And I didn't call you to set for the day.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, we're gonna we'll we're g yeah, make sure Nick's ready to bring him on set 'cause we're gonna get him on
Nicholas Vince: yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Oh yeah, no, we've gone to something else.
Nicholas Vince: Oh
Nicholas Vince: Oh,
Nicholas Vince: oh yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Sorry
Nicholas Vince: Ned,
Nicholas Vince: come back tomorrow.
Nicholas Vince: And it's like, okay, well I earn more money, you know, because
Nicholas Vince: you're you're you're paid by the day
Nicholas Vince: I was on a day r
Nicholas Vince: uh equity minimum day rate.
Gav: This is
Gav: 20 years ago
Gav: when the Waterloo station was a lot different.
Gav: And we're in the pub there and waiting all day long.
Gav: And I was like, this is rubbish.
Gav: And
Gav: eventually call us up and go up there.
Gav: Matt Damon's there and all the people and
Gav: okay
Gav: go to one and then
Gav: stop
Gav: about to do your thing.
Gav: And I was like, well how all these people
Gav: and I spoke to I don't know if it was on crew and they're like, oh we can't shut Waterloo down, so all these people are just general public and it's like
Gav: So
Gav: why do you need about a hundred
Gav: extras
Gav: sitting around waiting all day?
Gav: Okay, I suppose it justifies your budget or whatever you've got to spend, but
Gav: Also
Gav: you
Nicholas Vince: tend to put them in the foreground so you don't so that
Nicholas Vince: you can get release forms from the
Gav: I wasn't sitting there all day long in makeup
Gav: though, so that must
Gav: been
Gav: a thing.
Gav: Um
Gav: so
Gav: so the house location was amazing.
Gav: Were you on a soundstage for that room
Gav: or were you in the house?
Nicholas Vince: Both.
Gav: Oh okay.
Gav: Okay.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah no
Nicholas Vince: both.
Nicholas Vince: So basically
Nicholas Vince: Up to the top of the stairs
Nicholas Vince: is the house.
Nicholas Vince: And then in the sound stage they have the very top of the stairs, like the the top
Nicholas Vince: short flight.
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: remember
Nicholas Vince: standing on the soundstage looking at the Dragon Newell post.
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: at the top of the stairs
Nicholas Vince: and looking at it and then trying to picture the
Nicholas Vince: the house and trying to see the differences
Gav: and I couldn't
Gav: Wow.
Nicholas Vince: I know which
Nicholas Vince: one, you know, because
Nicholas Vince: it is literally the top three or fours
Nicholas Vince: that
Nicholas Vince: shot
Nicholas Vince: where um
Nicholas Vince: Ashley is moving between the three rooms.
Gav: Yeah, towards the end, yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, yeah.
Nicholas Vince: That is shot, I believe
Nicholas Vince: that's
Nicholas Vince: Dudio.
Nicholas Vince: I suspect that's
Nicholas Vince: oh
Nicholas Vince: no would it no it might well have been
Nicholas Vince: because you'd see into the room so that's going to be
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: It's difficult to tell, but yeah,
Nicholas Vince: I make assumptions about these things.
Nicholas Vince: But yeah
Nicholas Vince: It was basically it was the torture room and the three doors outside the torture room was
Nicholas Vince: was in the studio.
Gav: It
Gav: just th that whole thing when you all come out and it's just that room
Gav: how bare
Gav: it is and that bit when Frank's there and he's just a bit bored so he's just been nailing rats to a bloody wall
Gav: You know, that
Gav: that sort of thing and stuff.
Gav: It's just such a horrible thing and Frank as well.
Gav: But when you
Gav: guys turn up and you have the sort of the bell toll almost, it's like the symbolization
Gav: that you guys are turning up, boom, and it's like you guys
Gav: have
Gav: It's uh when I was younger
Gav: watching it was like
Gav: this is what hell is
Gav: uh
Gav: it
Gav: 's just the way it looks and it's done so well
Nicholas Vince: Yeah,
Nicholas Vince: I think I'd go
Nicholas Vince: I presume the bell must have been Christopher Young, the composer.
Gav: Yeah,
Nicholas Vince: I would imagine it would be
Nicholas Vince: Because it's part of the score.
Gav: But that score even, you know why I said this is almost a film
Gav: Gods movie, it is so close to it.
Gav: That film score is incredible.
Gav: The fact it's like
Gav: the orchestrational
Gav: uh
Gav: piece in it is is doesn't feel like it that it should be in that film.
Gav: It feels like it should be in
Gav: A very modern drama or thriller or whatever.
Gav: It doesn't, but it works so incredible.
Nicholas Vince: I think and I think this is what raises the
Nicholas Vince: this is what
Nicholas Vince: raises it
Nicholas Vince: raises it.
Nicholas Vince: Because
Nicholas Vince: I know
Nicholas Vince: There was a band called Coil
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: at the time
Nicholas Vince: and they thought they were going to do the score.
Nicholas Vince: Was that
Gav: was that like a heavy band?
Nicholas Vince: Yes, and
Nicholas Vince: I think they actually
Nicholas Vince: I think they actually recorded it.
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: I swear
Nicholas Vince: But
Gav: you can see how easily
Gav: the
Gav: with
Gav: the
Gav: the leather c
Gav: clothing the costume and that sort of weld
Gav: you can see where
Gav: that would work.
Nicholas Vince: But I think, you know, with Christopher Young's
Nicholas Vince: score, you know, that's what makes
Nicholas Vince: I mean
Nicholas Vince: the
Nicholas Vince: I remember
Nicholas Vince: we did a convention with Christopher Young a a few years back
Nicholas Vince: and I remember Doug
Nicholas Vince: saying
Nicholas Vince: that whenever
Nicholas Vince: He went into Pinhead Makeup, he got the makeup artist to put the C D of the
Nicholas Vince: score on
Nicholas Vince: because that just takes him straight into Pinhead.
Gav: Absolutely.
Nicholas Vince: And I remember saying that whenever because I wrote comics
Nicholas Vince: based on Hellra
Nicholas Vince: I wrote Hellraiser
Nicholas Vince: comics.
Gav: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: And if I ever need to
Nicholas Vince: if I'm ended
Nicholas Vince: working anything to do with Hellraiser, all I have to do is put the score
Nicholas Vince: on.
Nicholas Vince: And I'm there.
Nicholas Vince: I'm
Nicholas Vince: right
Nicholas Vince: back.
Nicholas Vince: And I think, you know, the
Nicholas Vince: da
Nicholas Vince: da
Nicholas Vince: da
Nicholas Vince: it's
Nicholas Vince: it's
Nicholas Vince: you are there.
Nicholas Vince: You are h
Nicholas Vince: hell right.
Nicholas Vince: You know, that is.
Nicholas Vince: It takes you
Gav: back there, yeah.
Gav: Yeah, it's up.
Gav: It's up there
Gav: those
Gav: ones in your
Gav: like a sp
Gav: on the Spotify or
Gav: Halloween playlist and you've got your classics, you're Halloween that, an Exodus, whatever, and you've got Hellraiser.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Uh
Gav: it's so good.
Gav: But again though, yeah, it's another la
Gav: just another layer just to bring that movie so much more
Gav: better.
Gav: It's
Gav: not
Gav: saying
Gav: better than it is, because
Gav: no way
Gav: that's not a way, but it's just so
Gav: I don't know.
Gav: And watching it again
Gav: as a reviewer
Gav: watching it again the other night and then chatting about it with Dan, it's
Gav: it opens your eyes up to it more of
Gav: you know
Gav: this movie is
Gav: Incredible!
Gav: It's so
Gav: such a good film.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, but I think
Nicholas Vince: again it just comes back to, you know, the
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: Richard Marsden who did the editing.
Nicholas Vince: Christopher Younger did the score,
Nicholas Vince: the guys that get the color research, you know, all those things have to work.
Nicholas Vince: You know, talk about movie gods.
Nicholas Vince: All those things have to come together, all those people have to come together and their
Nicholas Vince: talents.
Nicholas Vince: You c
Nicholas Vince: it you
Nicholas Vince: if you
Nicholas Vince: If you change just one of those things
Nicholas Vince: you ca
Nicholas Vince: you can take it right down.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: I think it is
Nicholas Vince: because, you know, lightning
Nicholas Vince: Just
Nicholas Vince: creative lightning.
Nicholas Vince: Did
Nicholas Vince: just happen to
Nicholas Vince: strike.
Gav: So did you know when you're making it, did you know you were kind of making something that ha
Gav: at the time, were you a horror fan?
Gav: Had you seen what was horror was
Nicholas Vince: I was, oh
Nicholas Vince: yeah.
Gav: Okay, so you saw what was uh so
Gav: at the time, so what's that?
Gav: So you're mid eighties so you
Gav: you'd seen your Halloween, just
Gav: see your John Copter films coming along.
Gav: Uh
Gav: there weren't many British horror movies as such per se at that point.
Gav: What are some but not a huge amount as they are now, so
Nicholas Vince: No.
Nicholas Vince: So uh
Nicholas Vince: my history
Nicholas Vince: yes.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: to answer your question about
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: this is one of the reasons Clive and I got on.
Nicholas Vince: We both it was it
Nicholas Vince: we discovered we both like horror films
Nicholas Vince: and horror
Gav: As we all do
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, precisely and it's just like
Nicholas Vince: so you know
Nicholas Vince: my horror films were
Nicholas Vince: The Universal Monsters, um
Nicholas Vince: the
Nicholas Vince: Poe, Corman, Price, Roger Corman,
Nicholas Vince: Vincent
Nicholas Vince: Price,
Nicholas Vince: Edgar
Nicholas Vince: Allan
Nicholas Vince: Poe, those films.
Nicholas Vince: Those are my
Nicholas Vince: those were
Nicholas Vince: my
Nicholas Vince: my gateway drugs into
Nicholas Vince: horror films.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: yeah
Nicholas Vince: as
Nicholas Vince: many of my friends will point out
Nicholas Vince: I am the
Nicholas Vince: most squeamish member of the audience.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: I do tend to jump in my seats.
Gav: Yeah, apparently Wes Craven is like the nicest person, you know?
Nicholas Vince: But it's like
Gav: people making horror.
Nicholas Vince: I I
Nicholas Vince: leap in my chair.
Nicholas Vince: It's just ridiculous.
Nicholas Vince: I
Gav: I I tell you what I went to see the other night.
Gav: I saw the paranormal activities
Gav: uh stage show.
Gav: And I it
Gav: not much gets me anymore.
Gav: I had goosebumps.
Gav: I was at
Gav: my my daughter was holding my hand
Gav: and uh it was proper scary.
Gav: And I was so impressed that a f
Gav: stage show would do that to me still, you know?
Nicholas Vince: Sorry, the reason the only reason I'm laughing is because I went to see the woman in black
Nicholas Vince: on the
Nicholas Vince: stage show.
Nicholas Vince: And this is a few years back
Nicholas Vince: And I'm sitting at the back of the stalls and there's a row of sixteen year old school girls, obviously
Nicholas Vince: on a school trip and
Gav: screaming away
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: no, I was screaming louder than
Nicholas Vince: the girls.
Nicholas Vince: They were looking behind them.
Nicholas Vince: I kid you not.
Nicholas Vince: I kid you not.
Gav: That's hilarious.
Nicholas Vince: Because I
Nicholas Vince: th
Nicholas Vince: th
Nicholas Vince: th yeah, there was a particular moment
Nicholas Vince: and it was just like it
Nicholas Vince: freak me out entirely.
Nicholas Vince: I give Gory, you know, I've
Nicholas Vince: I I will
Nicholas Vince: if it's a comedy and I like it and I find it fun
Nicholas Vince: funny I will laugh uproariously and it's
Nicholas Vince: you know
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: at drama
Nicholas Vince: school I was always invited to the
Nicholas Vince: the rest of the classes and the other
Nicholas Vince: years they will make sure I was in the audience because
Nicholas Vince: I'll be the first person to laugh.
Nicholas Vince: Gives everyone
Nicholas Vince: permission.
Nicholas Vince: But I will be the first person to scream as well
Nicholas Vince: in that
Nicholas Vince: circumstance.
Gav: So known
Gav: horror already, when you're making Hellraiser, did you know something special was going on?
Nicholas Vince: It's
Nicholas Vince: did
Nicholas Vince: I think I'd be talking about it 40 years later
Nicholas Vince: later?
Nicholas Vince: Hell
Nicholas Vince: no.
Nicholas Vince: No, no, no concept of it whatsoever.
Nicholas Vince: Did I know
Nicholas Vince: did we know
Nicholas Vince: It was very, very different.
Nicholas Vince: I mean there was nothing like it.
Nicholas Vince: Nothing like it.
Nicholas Vince: I started seeing the costumes and
Nicholas Vince: Clive
Nicholas Vince: talking me through the script and what you know the concepts and showing me some of the artwork and the
Nicholas Vince: his
Nicholas Vince: inspirational
Nicholas Vince: material and and so on
Nicholas Vince: Uh
Nicholas Vince: that
Nicholas Vince: was really unusual.
Nicholas Vince: He'd already published the Books of Blood.
Nicholas Vince: Obviously he got the quote from Stephen King about
Nicholas Vince: Clive.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: so that
Nicholas Vince: 's just all on the back of that.
Nicholas Vince: But
Nicholas Vince: So we knew it was going to be special, knew it was going to be different, knew we had fun.
Nicholas Vince: That's all you can ask for really when you make a film.
Nicholas Vince: Did you get paid on time?
Nicholas Vince: Were you
Nicholas Vince: injured?
Nicholas Vince: This is a good job.
Nicholas Vince: If you you know
Nicholas Vince: if you got paid and you're not injured, that's a good job.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: but you know I
Nicholas Vince: just went and then the I obviously I did Hellbound and I did a nightbreed as well.
Gav: That's what I was gonna say.
Gav: So the year later you go and do Hellraiser
Gav: 2.
Gav: Um
Gav: And then uh
Gav: two years after
Gav: Nightbreed.
Gav: Oh that's the years they were released anyway.
Gav: Um that's great,
Gav: Clive.
Gav: Got you back in.
Gav: And Moon Face
Gav: for Nightbreed.
Gav: Uh
Gav: what
Gav: what was
Gav: what was the uh
Gav: application and makeup
Gav: for that?
Gav: How different to
Nicholas Vince: completely different
Nicholas Vince: because
Nicholas Vince: it is
Gav: It's so difficult.
Gav: One hour.
Gav: Yeah, it is proper prost
Nicholas Vince: it's proper prosthetics.
Nicholas Vince: That was five hours.
Gav: Right.
Nicholas Vince: So my day was
Nicholas Vince: Up at 2 o'clock in the morning.
Nicholas Vince: I lived in Stressham at the time, so I could get ready for the car which collected me at 3 o'clock in the morning.
Nicholas Vince: makeup chair at four o'clock in the morning, onset at nine o'clock in the morning.
Nicholas Vince: Oh wow in Vulcan makeup and cousin.
Nicholas Vince: But I'm
Nicholas Vince: gonna say these things.
Nicholas Vince: The people who were really working
Nicholas Vince: all I had to do was stay up
Nicholas Vince: sit still and stay awake
Nicholas Vince: Neil Gorton and Marc Coollier, the guys who actually applied the Neil designed uh
Nicholas Vince: Kinski
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: moon face
Nicholas Vince: guy.
Nicholas Vince: They're the you know
Nicholas Vince: they are the
Nicholas Vince: you know the
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: like Nigel Booth was on
Nicholas Vince: Hellraiser
Nicholas Vince: You know, these are the real talents
Nicholas Vince: as far as I think you can go.
Nicholas Vince: It's their work you're looking at.
Nicholas Vince: You can't
Nicholas Vince: we can't exist without each other.
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: yes, it was a longer experience and it was a very different experience
Nicholas Vince: because I got I
Nicholas Vince: I really
Nicholas Vince: remember one
Nicholas Vince: moment.
Nicholas Vince: It was
Nicholas Vince: one of my favorites.
Nicholas Vince: It's a classic horror movie
Nicholas Vince: actor
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: moment, John
Nicholas Vince: Midgley, the uh sound designer, uh sorry, the sound recordist
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: came up to me on Nightbreed and introduced himself to
Nicholas Vince: me.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: just said
Nicholas Vince: John
Nicholas Vince: I know
Nicholas Vince: exactly who you are.
Nicholas Vince: I'm Nick.
Nicholas Vince: I played the chatterer.
Nicholas Vince: Now
Nicholas Vince: he didn't want
Nicholas Vince: to
Nicholas Vince: never see
Nicholas Vince: me out of makeup.
Gav: That's so
Gav: I never
Nicholas Vince: I think
Nicholas Vince: he might have
Nicholas Vince: momentarily seen me because I w
Nicholas Vince: swear on Hellraiser
Nicholas Vince: that
Nicholas Vince: He came and recorded me chattering my teeth.
Gav: Okay.
Nicholas Vince: But I may have been wearing makeup
Nicholas Vince: then.
Gav: Yeah, you must have been.
Gav: Uh
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: it certainly had the teeth in, which
Nicholas Vince: cause the teeth went on first before the mask.
Nicholas Vince: But yeah, it was probably in makeup.
Nicholas Vince: Probably in full makeup.
Nicholas Vince: So yeah, he'd never seen me out of makeup.
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: yeah.
Gav: Did Clive
Gav: take his crew with him then for the follow-up movies?
Gav: Yeah, for the first
Gav: three things.
Gav: And obviously you had
Gav: in that third movie, uh
Gav: Nightbridge, you actually had um
Gav: obviously um
Gav: oh for God's sake
Nicholas Vince: David Cronenberg.
Gav: David Cronenberg.
Gav: What the fuck?
Gav: And and that
Gav: face and stuff is still like you could make a soul movie just with a serial killer with that look
Gav: 'Cause it's so good.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, which
Nicholas Vince: which
Nicholas Vince: of course unf
Nicholas Vince: unfortunately is what the producers tried to make out of Nightbreed, which was not Clive's original vision,
Nicholas Vince: so
Nicholas Vince: not
Nicholas Vince: what the film was about.
Nicholas Vince: So this is the part of the problem with Nightbreed.
Nicholas Vince: Nightbreed is very flawed, and this is why I prefer the director's cut.
Nicholas Vince: So what Clive wrote
Nicholas Vince: And showed me the script
Nicholas Vince: of when I
Nicholas Vince: he offered me the part, and I immediately said, yeah, hell yeah, of course I'm gonna do it.
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: Um
Nicholas Vince: was
Nicholas Vince: a wonderful European
Nicholas Vince: fable.
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: about
Nicholas Vince: where the monsters are the good guys.
Nicholas Vince: Where the
Nicholas Vince: Um, not
Nicholas Vince: Gernard.
Nicholas Vince: Uh
Nicholas Vince: I can't remember the psychiatrist's name.
Nicholas Vince: Uh
Nicholas Vince: Decca.
Gav: Yes.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: His catalyst
Nicholas Vince: is
Nicholas Vince: obviously very important,
Nicholas Vince: is
Nicholas Vince: there, but the movie is about Boone
Nicholas Vince: well it's about Boone and Laurie.
Nicholas Vince: It's about Craig Sheffer and Anne-Marie Bobby
Nicholas Vince: It's about their relationship.
Nicholas Vince: It's a love film.
Nicholas Vince: It
Nicholas Vince: type
Nicholas Vince: is
Nicholas Vince: described it as um
Nicholas Vince: gone with
Nicholas Vince: the wind with
Nicholas Vince: monsters.
Nicholas Vince: It's a love story.
Nicholas Vince: It's about a woman who t falls in love with a guy who turns out to be a monster.
Nicholas Vince: And that
Nicholas Vince: but also, you know, the monsters are the victims of these
Nicholas Vince: Fascist, Sons of the Free, um
Nicholas Vince: and it's like
Nicholas Vince: that was the movie that Clive
Nicholas Vince: had
Nicholas Vince: signed up for direct
Nicholas Vince: you know writing
Nicholas Vince: directing and so on
Nicholas Vince: and then through various things
Nicholas Vince: it just uh
Nicholas Vince: the the pr
Nicholas Vince: users
Nicholas Vince: wanted to
Nicholas Vince: know we need to have a ending where
Nicholas Vince: you know
Gav: Yeah, unfortunately then
Nicholas Vince: it was it was tough
Nicholas Vince: for him is
Nicholas Vince: really tough for him.
Gav: Unfortunately then you've got the slasher boom still going ahead and that's bringing in money.
Nicholas Vince: Yes.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah and also it's what
Nicholas Vince: th
Nicholas Vince: it's what
Nicholas Vince: th
Nicholas Vince: what
Nicholas Vince: horror
Nicholas Vince: was very much about.
Nicholas Vince: And
Nicholas Vince: and it's still a staple of horror today.
Nicholas Vince: I mean
Nicholas Vince: a lot of the
Nicholas Vince: is
Nicholas Vince: it's about
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: serial killers
Nicholas Vince: A lot of horror films are about d
Nicholas Vince: serial killers.
Gav: Well, it's the ho it's the horror that p
Gav: humans could actually do, and that's where it's scary, isn't it?
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: And
Nicholas Vince: also it tends to be cheaper.
Gav: That's interesting.
Gav: Yeah, absolutely, of course.
Gav: And that's interesting that Cronenberg uh uh
Gav: did played that role then and Clive
Gav: wasn't really wanting that because you'd imagine that
Gav: for someone like Cronenberg to do, because he's not exactly
Gav: doesn't do loads of acting roles, you know.
Gav: No
Gav: for him to do that you'd think it's St.
Gav: Where Claude's like, I've got this character, I really want you to do it.
Gav: So it's really interesting then that that it wasn't really
Gav: and then he comes on to do it.
Nicholas Vince: Well that
Nicholas Vince: but then
Nicholas Vince: of course I think
Nicholas Vince: I suspect but do not know
Nicholas Vince: my assumption has always been
Nicholas Vince: he wasn't underneath the mask
Nicholas Vince: Apart from the bit where he
Nicholas Vince: put
Nicholas Vince: pulls the mask
Nicholas Vince: off, it'll be a standard.
Gav: That's very, very
Gav: true.
Nicholas Vince: Yes.
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: when they reshot
Nicholas Vince: they didn't need
Nicholas Vince: David to come back.
Nicholas Vince: No.
Nicholas Vince: They just used the stand
Nicholas Vince: in.
Nicholas Vince: So it could
Nicholas Vince: have just been
Nicholas Vince: one
Gav: one day of just revealing his face.
Gav: I mean
Nicholas Vince: Oh no, David was around for a lot, yeah, 'cause he had a he had a lot of and he was there.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: well I remember Pete Atkins who wrote Humbound and you know
Nicholas Vince: it was part of Clive's
Nicholas Vince: was
Nicholas Vince: at school with Clive and did part of the dog
Nicholas Vince: company with Clive.
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: up in Liverpool.
Nicholas Vince: I remember
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: being a good
Nicholas Vince: mate and
Nicholas Vince: being in the corridor in Pinewood
Nicholas Vince: Studios
Nicholas Vince: and
Nicholas Vince: He's saying, Nick, Nick, come and listen at the door.
Nicholas Vince: And I listened to the door and there was a manual
Nicholas Vince: typewriter.
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: said, what's going on?
Nicholas Vince: He said it's David, he's typing.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: naked lunch.
Nicholas Vince: He's typing the script to naked lunch.
Nicholas Vince: Because that's the next
Nicholas Vince: the thing he was working on at the time.
Nicholas Vince: So I I didn't
Nicholas Vince: get to speak today the current
Nicholas Vince: except
Nicholas Vince: again when I was in makeup
Gav: I I
Gav: um
Gav: I love the interesting concept of just hearing the tapping of someone and you
Gav: it it and it could be someone m writing the most amazing thing which
Gav: would ever be in history and you could hear them tapping the letters down.
Gav: It's such an
Gav: it's such a
Nicholas Vince: manual typewriter.
Gav: Going back to the center bytes
Gav: very quickly, now there's
Gav: such a fascinating line in it
Gav: where
Gav: Uh
Gav: Pinhead says
Gav: some
Gav: see us as demons, some see us as angels.
Gav: That line is incredible
Gav: because
Gav: straight away
Nicholas Vince: can I can I be pedantic?
Gav: Oh no.
Gav: Go on there.
Nicholas Vince: We are demons to some, angels to others.
Gav: Okay, that's it.
Nicholas Vince: I know this because that's the title of that
Nicholas Vince: No no
Nicholas Vince: that's that comic it
Nicholas Vince: it isn't that comic actually, it's something else.
Nicholas Vince: But yes.
Nicholas Vince: Oh wow, okay, so
Gav: so this brought up the conversation
Gav: Which I wasn't going to have when we were viewing the film, all of a sudden I was chatting away with Dan, and all of a sudden I was
Gav: like, This then
Gav: I'm not religious.
Gav: This then conjures up a thing where it says, Okay, so we're then saying that there is possibly a hell with these demons.
Gav: So if we're saying that hell was Clive thinking.
Gav: Or was that not any way and and
Gav: and like
Gav: it was God any way
Gav: involved that
Gav: or is that not something Clive was going with?
Nicholas Vince: It's interesting and again you g you have
Nicholas Vince: to talk to Clive
Nicholas Vince: about
Nicholas Vince: these things because I don't want to misspeak
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: because
Nicholas Vince: a long time since we've talked about it
Nicholas Vince: but it's like
Nicholas Vince: well I do remember having some conversations about this, you know, particularly
Nicholas Vince: You know, it
Nicholas Vince: weirdly, people
Nicholas Vince: it's
Nicholas Vince: think it's the Cenobites are all about
Nicholas Vince: pleasure and suffering
Nicholas Vince: and there is obviously a
Nicholas Vince: a a
Nicholas Vince: a thing there.
Nicholas Vince: There's obviously the Zadomasochism
Nicholas Vince: of that
Nicholas Vince: is
Nicholas Vince: very
Nicholas Vince: clear.
Nicholas Vince: Very clear.
Gav: Very clear.
Nicholas Vince: But it's also
Nicholas Vince: the Cenobites are in control
Nicholas Vince: about
Nicholas Vince: controlling
Nicholas Vince: flesh.
Nicholas Vince: and about controlling desire.
Nicholas Vince: They're kind of fascists.
Nicholas Vince: And when I was writing Hellraiser
Nicholas Vince: stories, that was very clearly in my mind, Leviathan
Nicholas Vince: is this
Nicholas Vince: You know, this is my God Leviathan.
Nicholas Vince: You see
Nicholas Vince: the the kind
Nicholas Vince: the the pyramid
Nicholas Vince: -shaped thing spinning around
Nicholas Vince: and
Nicholas Vince: the demon it
Nicholas Vince: it's
Nicholas Vince: it's like
Nicholas Vince: and the
Nicholas Vince: the labyrinth
Nicholas Vince: It's
Nicholas Vince: order, it's not
Nicholas Vince: necessarily
Nicholas Vince: people being punished in the cr
Nicholas Vince: Judeo
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: Christian, the Abrahamic version of hell
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: it's almost as if
Nicholas Vince: human
Nicholas Vince: you know
Nicholas Vince: in
Nicholas Vince: from my understanding of colicism, you know, the idea is that heaven is
Nicholas Vince: order, humanity is chaos.
Nicholas Vince: And Clive is effectively flipping this on his head.
Gav: Indeed.
Nicholas Vince: And saying
Nicholas Vince: no human
Nicholas Vince: you know
Nicholas Vince: actually
Nicholas Vince: hell
Nicholas Vince: is
Nicholas Vince: order.
Nicholas Vince: Humanity, yes, it's chaos, but it's joyful
Nicholas Vince: chaos.
Nicholas Vince: It's celebration, it's joy, it's all these complex and
Nicholas Vince: amazing emotions and desires and and so on
Nicholas Vince: And
Nicholas Vince: actually
Nicholas Vince: it's hell
Nicholas Vince: represent
Nicholas Vince: you know
Nicholas Vince: is
Nicholas Vince: the repression of these things
Nicholas Vince: and the conformity
Nicholas Vince: and and and so on.
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: yeah, that uh that that's always been my take on it.
Gav: Okay, interesting.
Gav: Yeah, it's it's just fascinating when you start to look at it and then
Gav: when he said that line, you're like, oh okay, that's really uh
Gav: so interesting
Gav: where some people were gonna look at pain as
Gav: in pleasure
Gav: And pleasure as well.
Nicholas Vince: Frank, you know,
Nicholas Vince: it's never enough.
Nicholas Vince: He says it's never enough.
Nicholas Vince: He's always seeking something
Nicholas Vince: The person who answers your prayer is that an angel or a demon?
Gav: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Angels answer
Nicholas Vince: dem
Nicholas Vince: answer prayers
Nicholas Vince: and demons answer prayers.
Gav: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: You know, they
Nicholas Vince: they
Nicholas Vince: they
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, uh
Nicholas Vince: Clyde's really good at that, constantly.
Gav: It's fascinating.
Gav: And the whole thing with the Hellraiser
Gav: with the box and stuff, uh
Gav: I love the fact that Simpsons
Gav: Simpson's tree
Gav: house of horror
Gav: for many years ago
Gav: parodied it with
Gav: What's your pleasure, sir?
Gav: We have frozen yogurt, which is frugut.
Gav: Is it good?
Gav: No, it's bad.
Gav: You know, it's
Gav: it's so funny that even
Gav: the Simpsons picked up on it.
Nicholas Vince: Amazing cultural impact of
Nicholas Vince: Hellraise.
Gav: This is it though.
Gav: Um I've been reviewing a few movies I've started on the YouTube
Gav: channel where I'm looking at my VHS collections and I did like Child's play the other day, just that standalone film
Gav: Talking about Chucky and then I did
Gav: uh
Gav: Texas Chancel Mask if they talk about Leatherface and it's these particular characters like some people won if
Gav: some
Gav: people wouldn't have even seen Hellraiser, but they know who Pinhead is
Gav: Or they know who Chucky
Gav: is, you know, and it's it's such a
Gav: insight
Gav: guys.
Nicholas Vince: Or the puzzle box.
Gav: Or the puzzle box.
Nicholas Vince: All
Nicholas Vince: the puzzle box, yeah.
Gav: And the puzzle box is amazing, you know.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, I
Nicholas Vince: I was
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: I don't
Nicholas Vince: obviously we've now got um
Nicholas Vince: the the ga
Nicholas Vince: the video game has come out and
Nicholas Vince: called a long
Nicholas Vince: email
Nicholas Vince: email from the Soska sisters
Nicholas Vince: say
Nicholas Vince: you know
Nicholas Vince: the
Nicholas Vince: the say
Nicholas Vince: the internet
Nicholas Vince: 's
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: people
Nicholas Vince: going
Nicholas Vince: wild for chatra
Nicholas Vince: because he keeps on killing them off
Nicholas Vince: in the game.
Nicholas Vince: Uh and then I got another friend
Nicholas Vince: said, yeah I've
Nicholas Vince: I've escaped the Chatra
Nicholas Vince: three
Nicholas Vince: three times.
Nicholas Vince: That's so
Nicholas Vince: good.
Nicholas Vince: Have you have you played
Nicholas Vince: I I don't play
Nicholas Vince: video games.
Nicholas Vince: I have
Nicholas Vince: I have
Nicholas Vince: I'm seeing
Nicholas Vince: people sharing me clips
Nicholas Vince: and I'm going
Nicholas Vince: fucking hell
Nicholas Vince: this is
Nicholas Vince: what
Gav: I
Nicholas Vince: Yeah.
Gav: I recently picked up
Gav: I don't I'm not a massive gamer, but I recently picked up the Halloween movie, which was made in Unrealed Engine, which is like a uh a very
Gav: Clever software
Gav: and they've just replicated the 70s Haddonfield perfectly.
Gav: So you walk around as Michael Myers going into the Laurie's house and all that stuff, and it's exact
Gav: perfect.
Gav: And it's like
Gav: wow, the stuff
Gav: they could do now
Gav: Um
Gav: all right, very quickly we
Gav: finish off with have you seen many of the fr
Gav: of the other films from Hellraiser?
Gav: Because
Gav: what on earth
Gav: they
Gav: start going off to some directions, they
Gav: really do.
Gav: I
Nicholas Vince: think
Nicholas Vince: I've certainly seen three.
Nicholas Vince: I've seen four.
Gav: Like
Gav: uh
Gav: I didn't realise
Gav: Dan was telling me going through them all and he goes, and this putting a game of space it's not
Gav: like too
Gav: late.
Nicholas Vince: Well I j
Nicholas Vince: you know
Nicholas Vince: I've not s
Nicholas Vince: and st
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: I've not seen the one
Nicholas Vince: with Craig Sheffer
Nicholas Vince: in it, and I've not seen the one with Henry Cavill in it.
Nicholas Vince: I keep on thinking, I
Nicholas Vince: we should watch those.
Gav: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Gav: I've got
Gav: either, no
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, it's just like
Nicholas Vince: I really
Nicholas Vince: I just want to see what Henry Cavill looks like in a Hellraiser
Nicholas Vince: film.
Gav: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: and
Nicholas Vince: but Craig Sheffer
Nicholas Vince: who is obviously
Nicholas Vince: Boone in Nightbreed, I would
Nicholas Vince: I'd like to see that as well.
Nicholas Vince: But I think what I find
Nicholas Vince: It was only a few years back
Nicholas Vince: I realized that, again, just talking about Chatteret for a moment
Nicholas Vince: and his impact
Nicholas Vince: There is a chatterer of some form in most of the following movies.
Gav: Oh really?
Nicholas Vince: But it's only
Nicholas Vince: up into
Nicholas Vince: eight.
Nicholas Vince: If you if you count the chatterer
Nicholas Vince: beast
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: in number
Nicholas Vince: in bloodline
Nicholas Vince: which is number four
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: that is
Nicholas Vince: there's a chatra
Nicholas Vince: Chatterer apparently is in number three, even if he's only lying dead on the floor.
Nicholas Vince: I know this
Nicholas Vince: or I believe this to be true
Nicholas Vince: because
Nicholas Vince: when they did the Funko
Nicholas Vince: Pop, if you look at the Chatterer Funko Pop it says Hellraiser
Nicholas Vince: three
Nicholas Vince: rather than one
Nicholas Vince: or two.
Nicholas Vince: And I believe it's to do with licensing.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: the licensing of the image.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: So I thought y yeah that's and and it's
Nicholas Vince: like
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: somebody shared with me a beautiful video the other day of somebody sculpting a beautiful life-size cake of chatter.
Gav: Wow.
Nicholas Vince: And and so on.
Nicholas Vince: So I think
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, I'm
Nicholas Vince: I am
Nicholas Vince: g
Nicholas Vince: I'm blowing my own trumpet, but obviously I'm the trumpet of Clive and everyone else involved in this.
Nicholas Vince: But I
Nicholas Vince: still
Nicholas Vince: like
Nicholas Vince: I am
Nicholas Vince: also
Nicholas Vince: very
Nicholas Vince: aware of how extraordinarily lucky I am as an actor.
Nicholas Vince: This is my first film.
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: I'd
Nicholas Vince: never been out
Nicholas Vince: of drama school.
Nicholas Vince: I've not done that much theatre.
Nicholas Vince: I'm not done
Nicholas Vince: y
Nicholas Vince: what
Nicholas Vince: you
Nicholas Vince: know
Nicholas Vince: you know, the kind of when you were at drama school back in the eighties
Nicholas Vince: , which is when I was there,
Nicholas Vince: you know, the understanding was you kind of well you did drama school.
Nicholas Vince: If you're lucky you got into weekly rap
Nicholas Vince: weekly repertory theatre.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: if you were then very lucky
Nicholas Vince: you got into
Nicholas Vince: T V and if you were then very lucky and talented you got into
Nicholas Vince: film and I skipped.
Nicholas Vince: I kind of skipped.
Nicholas Vince: You know,
Nicholas Vince: did a few
Nicholas Vince: uh uh
Nicholas Vince: the
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: got
Nicholas Vince: my equity card, did some independent theatre and then just went into my
Nicholas Vince: my first film was Hellraiser.
Gav: Wow
Nicholas Vince: So I am so lucky,
Nicholas Vince: so grateful.
Nicholas Vince: So grateful.
Gav: Absolutely.
Gav: And the fact that the
Gav: the character itself, like you're saying earlier, is such a personal thing to you as well.
Gav: Seeing that go on and the teeth chatter would go on to like
Gav: different movies, but when it comes down to even if
Gav: different movies and you weren't even involved with it.
Gav: But they never even told you they're making it.
Nicholas Vince: But
Nicholas Vince: I know I how how
Nicholas Vince: I know where
Nicholas Vince: you're going to be able to do it.
Gav: You should be very proud of
Gav: Um
Nicholas Vince: I am
Nicholas Vince: grateful.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, absolutely.
Nicholas Vince: And it's a fine thing.
Nicholas Vince: And admiring the people
Nicholas Vince: keep on jumping in, Gav, but also admiring, you know, the guys who've done the game
Gav: I'll have to check it out.
Gav: One other thing then, did you note about the VHS tapes being left on the bus stop of Hellraiser?
Gav: I had to bring it up.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, I cannot remember the route or the or the which
Nicholas Vince: stop it's at, but it's the fact that they
Nicholas Vince: It was there, it was spotted, it was shared on the internet, it became a meme, then it disappeared, then it reappeared.
Nicholas Vince: Then at some stage I think they appeared on other bus stops.
Nicholas Vince: And then
Nicholas Vince: I think there were multiple on this
Nicholas Vince: and I think it's gone
Nicholas Vince: again now.
Gav: bus
Gav: stops on the if you're on the double deckers
Gav: in
Gav: the s
Gav: uh the top level of the bus and you could look down
Gav: there's a little bus stop
Gav: there happen to be once in a while
Gav: uh
Gav: Hellraiser
Gav: videotapes there and occasionally two or three
Gav: At the same time.
Gav: So
Gav: random.
Nicholas Vince: But
Gav: but it comes down to
Gav: now I can't find like a sell
Gav: 'cause they're the sell-through copies, they're the small ones, they're not the big ex-rentable ones.
Gav: But I can't even
Gav: s
Gav: I don't even see them on my travels because I'm always looking for VHS to.
Gav: And I don't even see Hellraiser
Gav: anywhere.
Gav: You know, so if I saw it, I'd be grabbing it.
Gav: I'm having
Gav: that.
Gav: Um
Nicholas Vince: I don't think I've got one.
Gav: No, I uh no
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: I don't think
Nicholas Vince: I
Gav: I had
Gav: a long time ago.
Nicholas Vince: I have no idea if I do have one.
Nicholas Vince: Because it was such
Nicholas Vince: cause it was Cinema
Nicholas Vince: Club.
Gav: Yes it
Nicholas Vince: did it.
Gav: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: But it was such a dreadful
Gav: That's a sh that's a shame when like
Gav: when uh
Gav: Hillrage came out in that sort of time.
Gav: We're not
Gav: having
Gav: nowadays
Gav: where we're having these crisp
Gav: I've got I picked up
Gav: to do my review I picked up uh arrows
Gav: Blu-ray of Hellraiser
Gav: you know so I'm looking at
Gav: pristine
Gav: HD and which is good for looking at the effects
Gav: Sometimes not for all movies having like a four K or an H D
Gav: death
Gav: effects
Gav: because
Gav: they didn't know that they could do that.
Gav: They thought it'd just be one time on the cinema
Gav: and that's it.
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: I remember talking to the makeup
Nicholas Vince: guys about the
Nicholas Vince: a decade or so you're like, it's not designed for
Nicholas Vince: 4K, you can see all the edges.
Nicholas Vince: I know.
Nicholas Vince: This is why
Nicholas Vince: you know all makeup, you know
Nicholas Vince: All VFX
Nicholas Vince: mar
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: makeup artists, I presume
Nicholas Vince: now it's still the same because the human face hasn't changed.
Nicholas Vince: It's getting the edge, particularly around their lips.
Nicholas Vince: You know,
Nicholas Vince: getting
Nicholas Vince: Uh hiding the edge of the makeup
Nicholas Vince: when it's stuck down, making sure it's stuck down and
Nicholas Vince: hiding the edge is is yeah.
Gav: But then there's some movies where it's obviously uh helps and makes things look
Gav: um credible
Gav: having these new
Gav: transfers
Gav: but thank you very much for the chat
Gav: today
Gav: Nick
Gav: I do appreciate
Gav: it's very good of you
Gav: thank you for doing that um now before we go
Gav: Do you have anything that you're up to
Gav: or doing?
Nicholas Vince: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Come on in.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: Oh
Nicholas Vince: gosh.
Nicholas Vince: And I've now suddenly realized
Nicholas Vince: I said to you at the very beginning, um
Nicholas Vince: there was
Nicholas Vince: a
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: Three and I've just remembered a fourth
Nicholas Vince: because I just did a voiceover for a thing called R.
Nicholas Vince: I.
Nicholas Vince: P.
Nicholas Vince: Man.
Gav: Okay.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: directed by James Langston.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: and it
Nicholas Vince: is
Nicholas Vince: literally just a it's it's it's just a line
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: in a sequence.
Nicholas Vince: I just recorded that
Nicholas Vince: um a c
Nicholas Vince: a couple of days ago.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: so kind of working backwards
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: in terms of
Nicholas Vince: filming.
Nicholas Vince: And
Nicholas Vince: a couple of weeks ago I did a short film called The Inconveniencer, directed by Alex Berry.
Nicholas Vince: Alex
Nicholas Vince: hopes to have that finished by the end of the year
Nicholas Vince: and out into festivals at the beginning of the ex
Nicholas Vince: not horror, it's comedy.
Nicholas Vince: Oh, it's nice.
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: that was
Nicholas Vince: very nice.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: I'm look
Nicholas Vince: really looking forward to see
Nicholas Vince: because that was fun.
Nicholas Vince: Um I play a Grumpy
Nicholas Vince: Detective.
Nicholas Vince: I won't tell you any more
Nicholas Vince: things like that.
Nicholas Vince: No, that's called the Inconveniencer.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: it's a great script, great crew.
Nicholas Vince: Spent
Nicholas Vince: a w
Nicholas Vince: really wonderful couple of days on it.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: And then
Nicholas Vince: prior to that at uh
Nicholas Vince: Fright First,
Nicholas Vince: I was in the
Nicholas Vince: we had the big
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: premieres of
Nicholas Vince: Well, there was Dead Reset
Nicholas Vince: directed by Stuart Spark, uh written by Stuart and Paul Butler
Nicholas Vince: from Dark Rift.
Nicholas Vince: That was their, you know, on the big
Nicholas Vince: Well
Nicholas Vince: the
Nicholas Vince: big big screen in ODM
Nicholas Vince: Odeon
Nicholas Vince: Leicester
Nicholas Vince: Square.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: I have again I've just got voiceover in that
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: so I've still not had a chance to see that one yet.
Gav: Oh you didn't you didn't watch it at Floydfest
Gav: then?
Nicholas Vince: I
Nicholas Vince: well
Nicholas Vince: no, because at
Nicholas Vince: that exact moment
Nicholas Vince: I was in
Nicholas Vince: The other big screen, watching
Nicholas Vince: The Death of Us, directed by Annabella
Nicholas Vince: Rich, um
Nicholas Vince: first
Nicholas Vince: time
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: female
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: direct
Nicholas Vince: writer in directs
Nicholas Vince: so she w
Nicholas Vince: co-wrote it with her husband uh
Gav: Chris.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: and
Nicholas Vince: they
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: so we had that world the world premiere
Nicholas Vince: of that and
Nicholas Vince: I got a substantially larger part in that one.
Gav: Oh look
Gav: at you, Ladi
Gav: Dahl, if you both have played at the same time.
Nicholas Vince: It was so wonderful.
Nicholas Vince: It's a great film.
Nicholas Vince: I really enjoyed the film.
Nicholas Vince: What was what was that recording?
Nicholas Vince: Great um
Nicholas Vince: good film.
Nicholas Vince: But it was like
Nicholas Vince: it was that moment where you're you're sitting in the audience and I'm slapbag in the middle, we're looking right at the screen and
Nicholas Vince: you see your
Nicholas Vince: yourself
Nicholas Vince: like
Nicholas Vince: that
Nicholas Vince: at like thirty, forty
Nicholas Vince: feet tall.
Nicholas Vince: I've no idea what
Nicholas Vince: tall the screen was, but big.
Nicholas Vince: And looking at it I thought, God
Nicholas Vince: they
Nicholas Vince: Really lit
Nicholas Vince: my
Nicholas Vince: gosh that was really well done.
Nicholas Vince: You can actually see the colour of
Nicholas Vince: you can actually see my eyes are green.
Nicholas Vince: Gosh, that
Nicholas Vince: often you can see the fact that my eyes are green.
Gav: Yeah
Nicholas Vince: And
Nicholas Vince: it's just like, oh yeah.
Nicholas Vince: And I enjoyed the film and it's like, oh
Nicholas Vince: actually I didn't do a bad job on that one.
Nicholas Vince: I was really pleased with that one.
Nicholas Vince: So
Nicholas Vince: yeah, so
Nicholas Vince: th
Nicholas Vince: that's
Nicholas Vince: so
Nicholas Vince: Dead Reset
Nicholas Vince: and
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: the Death of Us are both on the festival circuit at the moment.
Gav: Spend it.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: if you got
Nicholas Vince: Facebook or
Nicholas Vince: or
Nicholas Vince: whatever, uh you can
Nicholas Vince: you'll you'll find out where screenings are coming to you
Nicholas Vince: dead
Nicholas Vince: reset
Nicholas Vince: particular
Nicholas Vince: lot
Nicholas Vince: of view screenings in the US.
Nicholas Vince: Uh
Nicholas Vince: dead ru
Nicholas Vince: the death of us
Nicholas Vince: I think isn't only in the UK that I've seen so far.
Gav: Okay.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: yeah, so keep an eye out
Nicholas Vince: out for those.
Gav: Yeah, absolutely.
Gav: Um
Gav: and
Gav: it's good that you're still doing lots of things and keeping busy
Gav: I
Nicholas Vince: I am and
Nicholas Vince: actually gotta
Nicholas Vince: just remember
Nicholas Vince: the fifth thing.
Gav: Okay.
Nicholas Vince: This Halloween
Nicholas Vince: this Halloween
Nicholas Vince: I'm going to be
Nicholas Vince: doing a reading, a staged reading of
Nicholas Vince: a play
Nicholas Vince: by
Nicholas Vince: Kim Newman.
Gav: Oh
Gav: really?
Nicholas Vince: Mr.
Nicholas Vince: Dracula himself.
Nicholas Vince: Anno
Nicholas Vince: Dracula himself.
Nicholas Vince: Kim New
Gav: Newman the Reviewer, film reviewer.
Nicholas Vince: Kim Newman the Reviewer
Nicholas Vince: player
Nicholas Vince: first
Nicholas Vince: author.
Nicholas Vince: Critic.
Gav: Oh yeah, of course.
Gav: First
Gav: is it his first play?
Nicholas Vince: Man of many tactics.
Gav: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Gav: Is it his first play?
Nicholas Vince: No, no, no.
Nicholas Vince: Kim's been writing plays for a while.
Nicholas Vince: Oh really?
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, but it's really hard to get plays produced.
Nicholas Vince: It
Nicholas Vince: it's it's so hard to get, you know
Nicholas Vince: so we
Nicholas Vince: we
Nicholas Vince: anyway, we're doing it on
Nicholas Vince: I've got a rehearsal on the Friday
Nicholas Vince: and then we've got the
Nicholas Vince: and again it's uh
Nicholas Vince: It's a melodrama
Nicholas Vince: comedy.
Nicholas Vince: Um
Nicholas Vince: that
Nicholas Vince: and
Nicholas Vince: for the life of me th
Nicholas Vince: th I knew
Nicholas Vince: the name was gonna go
Nicholas Vince: from one of these.
Nicholas Vince: But it's part of Grimfest, the theatre, the London Theatre.
Nicholas Vince: horror f
Nicholas Vince: theatre
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: festival so
Nicholas Vince: not the film
Nicholas Vince: festival that's up in Manchester, it's the London Theatre.
Gav: Oh
Gav: okay
Nicholas Vince: Uh Grimfest.
Nicholas Vince: Uh
Nicholas Vince: so
Nicholas Vince: it's a part
Nicholas Vince: it
Nicholas Vince: it's it's part of that.
Gav: Well that's good.
Gav: And I
Gav: I'm very happy that horror
Gav: is still very well and live in the world and we
Gav: all are like blessed every year with
Gav: Being able to watch horror and just seeing all the new things.
Gav: Frightfest every year, obviously
Gav: stuff like that
Gav: and things and stuff.
Gav: And I love Frightfest.
Gav: I know you from there from Frightfest and I just have so many
Gav: friends from Frightfest and it's such a lovely little community.
Gav: Every once a year I go see my Frightfest buddies.
Gav: Once a year.
Nicholas Vince: Yes, yes.
Gav: You know.
Nicholas Vince: It's yeah
Nicholas Vince: It's great and it's I'm sorry I missed you this
Nicholas Vince: year.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, I know, I know, but
Nicholas Vince: I'll I'll sort it out next.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Running around.
Gav: Yeah, absolutely.
Gav: Um but it's amazing.
Gav: But anyway, thank you so much for today and um
Gav: Hellraiser
Gav: is a fantastic fucking film.
Gav: It really is.
Gav: It stands the test of time now.
Gav: And um uh there's one thing you did very quickly right at the end, is you you managed to get your fingers into Kirsty's mouth w
Gav: with
Gav: Without any eyes being able to see what you're doing, but is that
Gav: did
Gav: you know to
Gav: And what was it
Gav: what was that?
Gav: Is that because you
Nicholas Vince: did
Nicholas Vince: because
Nicholas Vince: I I
Nicholas Vince: I remember uh
Nicholas Vince: okay, this was not in the scrap
Gav: Okay.
Nicholas Vince: And talking about five
Nicholas Vince: improvising.
Nicholas Vince: I I do not know when he dreamt the side.
Nicholas Vince: So this is your entrance.
Nicholas Vince: You're gonna walk, you're gonna approach Kirstie.
Gav: Yeah
Nicholas Vince: you're gonna put your th
Nicholas Vince: fingers in her throat.
Nicholas Vince: I remember
Nicholas Vince: putting
Nicholas Vince: my
Nicholas Vince: hand
Nicholas Vince: on the back of her neck
Nicholas Vince: some sort of idea
Nicholas Vince: of where it is.
Nicholas Vince: But
Nicholas Vince: and it's
Nicholas Vince: obviously
Nicholas Vince: it's Ashley who completely
Nicholas Vince: sells
Nicholas Vince: all I can do
Nicholas Vince: literally
Nicholas Vince: is that.
Gav: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: That that's all I'm physically capable of doing.
Nicholas Vince: Now
Nicholas Vince: I had, in my mind, I had thought
Nicholas Vince: that we must have cut
Nicholas Vince: and that
Nicholas Vince: I must have done the walking and then we must have cut.
Nicholas Vince: to me.
Nicholas Vince: We don't
Nicholas Vince: uh
Nicholas Vince: use
Nicholas Vince: you follow us
Nicholas Vince: and move
Nicholas Vince: for the shoulder.
Nicholas Vince: You said
Nicholas Vince: I've got the cameraman
Nicholas Vince: behind me
Nicholas Vince: and I'm doing this.
Gav: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: We must have done it a couple of times.
Nicholas Vince: I mean
Nicholas Vince: we
Nicholas Vince: we
Nicholas Vince: we didn't have any rehearsal period before the filming.
Nicholas Vince: This is all done on the day
Nicholas Vince: I must have gone through it without the makeup on
Nicholas Vince: to be able to do it.
Nicholas Vince: And then it was just, it was a bit like learning
Nicholas Vince: dance moves.
Nicholas Vince: It's
Nicholas Vince: just being so
Nicholas Vince: incredibly present so that you can hit your mark.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah.
Nicholas Vince: I I I do look at these things as well.
Nicholas Vince: Actually
Nicholas Vince: I did
Nicholas Vince: really well
Nicholas Vince: considering what I was working under
Nicholas Vince: to
Nicholas Vince: actually hit those marks
Nicholas Vince: and do that.
Nicholas Vince: Apparently I've scraped the top of Ash's mouth
Nicholas Vince: but
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, nothing.
Gav: We will finish after this.
Gav: What was Clive's thought of the fingers?
Gav: What was that supposed to represent?
Gav: You're gonna have to hook me up for an interview with Clark.
Nicholas Vince: Occasionally
Nicholas Vince: when Clive came up with these ideas, I think
Nicholas Vince: one of us would just say
Nicholas Vince: Clive you're a sick puppy.
Nicholas Vince: And that seemed to be reason enough
Nicholas Vince: um
Nicholas Vince: to do this
Nicholas Vince: this
Nicholas Vince: like
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, yeah.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, so
Gav: when I
Gav: uh when I first m
Gav: made my first film ye
Gav: very
Gav: many years ago, I
Gav: actually sent
Gav: Clive
Gav: an email
Gav: somehow, I don't know how I managed to do that, but I did, and saying
Gav: can I send you my movie?
Gav: And he said, Yeah, send it along.
Gav: And I got too scared and I didn't.
Gav: So
Gav: if I ever
Gav: met him chat to him, I say
Gav: I I was gonna send you my movie, I just got scared for some reason
Gav: I got
Gav: scar
Gav: no, he's too big for me.
Gav: No.
Gav: I just went
Gav: I don't want to.
Nicholas Vince: He would have been very nice
Nicholas Vince: whatever.
Gav: Yeah, I know, but oh well
Gav: Um
Gav: thank you so much for today and
Gav: your time.
Gav: I totally appreciate it.
Gav: And um everybody go watch Hellrose again because it's fantastic.
Gav: Nick,
Gav: thank you so much.
Nicholas Vince: Yeah, lovely to chat to you as always mate.
Nicholas Vince: Take care of you.
Gav: Take care.
Gav: See you later.
Gav: Bye.
Nicholas Vince: See you later.
Gav: Let's go to Cult
Gav: Corner.
Gav: What's it?
Dan: Yes,
Dan: bit of
Dan: Pulp Fiction.
Dan: Pulp Fiction.
Gav: Fiction pop
Gav: fiction
Gav: We've never made any
Gav: musical
Gav: uh uh
Gav: identity
Gav: so pop
Gav: fiction
Gav: but
Dan: Cool, so
Dan: pop
Dan: fiction, which is our new segment where we take it in turns to bring something from pop
Dan: culture
Dan: to the
Dan: to the table
Dan: to discuss.
Dan: Um
Dan: so we've talked about the garbage pile
Dan: kids
Dan: last episode Gav
Dan: discussed the
Dan: the ninja
Dan: craze.
Dan: Of the eighties
Dan: and nineties.
Gav: That was good.
Dan: Uh
Dan: as it's Halloween, I'm bringing something which a lot of us horror fans probably would count as one of their gateways into horror.
Gav: Was it before you say it was there no uh uh
Gav: Horror ninja
Gav: movies.
Gav: Probably wasn't.
Gav: I suppose there's only Vampire uh
Gav: the Hammer movies
Gav: with the crossover at shortcut.
Dan: There was Ninja
Dan: Ninja 3, the domination.
Dan: Which is the Exorcist ninja
Dan: movie that came out.
Gav: Oh
Gav: really?
Gav: Okay.
Dan: Ricky Morgan is a massive fan of that movie.
Dan: It's it's insane
Gav: I feel like ninjas
Gav: should fight the horror.
Gav: So
Gav: or not
Gav: ninja
Gav: versus werewolf or something.
Dan: Oh, imagine that.
Gav: Imagine the movie's just called Ninja versus Werewolf.
Gav: I'm gonna watch that movie
Dan: Shark Ninja.
Gav: No, because
Gav: that would be a thing.
Gav: Ninja
Gav: Ninja vs Werewolf sounds alright.
Dan: Yeah, I'd love to see that.
Dan: Uh
Dan: I would like to see a Predator movie versus
Dan: ninjas.
Gav: Well we were hoping
Gav: something like that, weren't we?
Gav: But yeah.
Gav: We had that animated Predator which had the samurai.
Gav: Oh
Dan: yes, yes.
Gav: That's as close as we get
Dan: So
Dan: my topic, um
Dan: which
Dan: as I say is a is I think
Dan: something which a lot of horror fans uh
Dan: would say they definitely got them into or helped them.
Dan: Yeah, is
Dan: uh uh
Dan: Scooby-Doo, huh?
Gav: Usko-baloo.
Dan: Scooby-Doo, we all know it well.
Dan: It's
Dan: came out of the late sixties
Dan: and it's still going strong now.
Gav: Uh y
Gav: yeah, do you
Gav: do you remember I know we get on to it, but you remember when I sort of
Gav: you'd say to you that
Gav: Mission Corporate and say
Gav: the people
Gav: made this
Gav: Uh
Gav: must be our
Gav: rage who
Gav: who watched the horror movies we watched 'cause each episode was like
Gav: bits from horror movies, but obviously you'll speak about
Gav: us
Dan: Yeah, I mean
Dan: it's
Dan: I just want to have a sort of a general discussion around it really because it's definitely
Dan: for some reason in the eighties
Dan: that there was a horror was big anyway, you know, whether it was chocolate bars, crisps, cartoons
Dan: serial, everything seemed to be
Dan: slightly horror themed anyway and this cartoon spoke to us, you know, big time.
Dan: Um
Dan: Uh considering it had come out in the late sixties, they were still doing reruns of this in the eighties
Dan: and even the nineties and even now
Dan: you'll still find
Dan: very
Dan: old cartoons still being rerun.
Dan: They're still making brand new episodes, brand new series, brand new films.
Gav: And it's
Gav: really good though.
Gav: You can still watch it at your age.
Gav: If
Gav: Scooby Doo came on, you can still
Gav: watch it, you can give let your kids watch it.
Gav: You could
Gav: let your grandkids watch it, whoever it
Gav: is or you just see and watch it now, you could quite happily see and watch a Scooby Doo episode
Gav: 'cause they're so much fun.
Dan: They are.
Dan: They're really good fun.
Dan: Um
Gav: murder
Gav: mysteries
Dan: So
Dan: it originally was pitched as a show that they were going to call the Mysterious Five, and then they changed the name to Who's Scared?
Dan: And
Dan: and the dog
Dan: in it was called Too Much.
Dan: Not Scooby-Doo.
Dan: The dog was called Too Much.
Dan: But they changed the name to Scooby Doo.
Dan: Um
Dan: because
Dan: because
Dan: the Frank's an archer.
Gav: And how many well before you
Gav: say
Gav: why
Gav: how many people, Drecken, in the world, have had a fucking dog and called it Scooby?
Dan: I know.
Dan: And Scooby like but I mean
Gav: Fun Loving Criminals album.
Dan: Yep.
Dan: Scooby Snacks.
Dan: Um
Dan: and
Dan: people say
Dan: now
Dan: I've got
Dan: Scooby.
Dan: which is
Dan: rhyming
Dan: slang
Dan: for
Dan: I don't have a clue.
Dan: I don't have a Scooby-Doo.
Dan: I haven't got a Scooby, what are you talking about?
Dan: Um
Dan: it's so it's still in the pop culture now, which is why I wanted to talk about it, you know.
Dan: And I've just watched the two movies with my kids, which are very well made.
Dan: you know, good casting
Dan: and
Dan: th
Dan: my kids love them and and I love them because there's they're silly, they're nothing too serious.
Dan: It's four people and a dog.
Dan: you know, solving crimes that are can be
Dan: committed by ghost, which generally
Dan: turned out to be a man in a mask anyway.
Dan: But yeah, so originally it was going to be called Mysterious Fi, then it was going to be called
Dan: who's scared.
Dan: Um
Dan: they
Dan: named Scooby-Doo
Dan: after a Frank Sinatra
Dan: song Strangers in the Night, because there's a bit where he says
Dan: doobie
Dan: doobie-doo
Dan: and they were like, oh
Dan: we could call the dog Scooby-Dooby
Dan: Doo
Dan: And it's
Dan: stuck.
Dan: Do you know what I mean?
Dan: That's mad.
Dan: You've got
Dan: Shaggy.
Dan: Who is this?
Dan: Clearly Stoner.
Gav: Fucking Stoner.
Gav: His
Dan: his real name is Norville
Dan: Rogers, but
Dan: he goes by the name Shaggy.
Dan: Yeah, he's him and Scooby are constantly getting
Dan: Scooby Snacks and Scooby Snacks are obviously
Dan: you know, a metaphor for for having the the munchies.
Dan: Then you've got Daphne
Dan: who
Dan: um
Dan: is the hot
Dan: the heart chick, you know.
Dan: Then you've got Velma who's like the brains.
Dan: And then you've got Fred who's like the jock.
Dan: Um
Dan: And
Dan: they've all got their own individual personalities, but it's all about Shaggy and Scooby, to the point that th
Dan: those two got loads of spin-offs
Dan: Loads of movies made with crossovers with Batman, the Harlem
Dan: Globetrotters, Happy Days.
Dan: You can watch
Dan: literally they crossed over even in the uh
Dan: Ninja Turtles.
Gav: Yes.
Dan: Kiss, yeah.
Dan: Um
Dan: Dracula.
Dan: D did they ever meet Abbott and Costello?
Dan: I feel like there was a Abbott and Costello
Dan: cartoon as well with Scooby Doo in it.
Gav: My daughter Daisy, I don't know why, she really fancies Gene Simmons
Gav: God knows
Gav: why.
Gav: I have no idea.
Gav: Um but she uh
Gav: made me uh get
Gav: a Scooby-Doo
Gav: movie with Kiss
Gav: because
Gav: of that reason.
Gav: Randomly.
Dan: Yeah
Dan: Um
Dan: apparently he
Dan: they crossed over with the supernatural TV show.
Dan: Um
Dan: in cartoon
Dan: form of course, they've c they've c uh crossed over with
Dan: Some WWF
Dan: stars, Wordal
Dan: Yankovic, um
Dan: Captain Caveman,
Dan: like a
Gav: Captain
Gav: Caveman.
Dan: So
Dan: it it's been
Dan: you know, it's still doing its thing.
Dan: But it came out in the sixties, which
Dan: which is crazy.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Um
Dan: it kind of
Dan: it did alright.
Dan: Annabelle
Dan: Barra, yeah, it it
Dan: it did alright
Dan: uh
Dan: until about the mid-70s when it kind of
Dan: it died off a little bit
Dan: and then they started doing reruns on it and they realized a lot of people
Dan: Um
Dan: liked they
Dan: cause they introduced Scrappy Doo.
Gav: Yep.
Dan: So in
Dan: in the late
Dan: in the early 80s they'd
Dan: introduce
Dan: Scooby and Scrappy Doo show.
Dan: And then you had that hawk.
Dan: And I don't
Dan: I hate Scrappy.
Dan: I really hate Scrappy too.
Dan: Which is why they made him the bad guy in the feature film that first came out.
Gav: Oh right, yeah, I d I didn't know it's Scrappy
Gav: Scrappy either
Dan: Yeah, um
Dan: and like I say this
Dan: just it just keeps getting made and keeps getting made.
Dan: I'm not gonna break down every single series because it has been going for so long that there are just
Dan: quite literally
Dan: thousands of episodes.
Dan: Um
Dan: they
Dan: every now and again they make a sh
Dan: a
Dan: a a a film and by film I mean animated like the Thirteen Ghosts of Scooby-Doo, um
Dan: the reluctant werewolf.
Dan: Some of these are really well known, like Zombie Island, I think one of them's called.
Dan: Um
Dan: But the the reason I wanted to bring this up is is just because
Dan: it conjures up
Dan: a really innocent time
Dan: where
Dan: everything looked like Scooby-Doo
Dan: in horror films it was these spooky castles, lightning, Frankenstein monsters, uh
Dan: zombies, ghosts.
Dan: It was all just so innocent and so f
Dan: Fun.
Dan: And because you had these fun characters that you always knew that were going to solve the crime, you were never scared as a kid of this.
Dan: It was just fun every time.
Dan: You know, there would always be a bit of peril for Scooby and Shaggy who would get themselves
Dan: and trapped.
Gav: Generally it was always someone with a mask
Gav: So do you know what I mean?
Gav: Th
Gav: that's a safety aspect of it.
Gav: And it was formulated.
Gav: It's the same thing every time.
Gav: You're only introduced to two people in each episode, two different people.
Gav: One of them's the fucking
Gav: killer
Gav: or whatever it is, the monster.
Gav: And the other one's an alright person.
Gav: You've got to guess which one it is.
Gav: It's fairly easy.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: But
Gav: it
Gav: but it's th
Gav: that's the charm of it
Dan: And the other thing that this film did really well
Dan: was
Dan: I'm talking about the atmosphere and stuff, is the whole kind of element of like um
Dan: secret.
Dan: compartments and bookcases.
Dan: I'd never seen any of that until this.
Dan: You pull a book down and a book bookcase opens, you know, or there's a trapdoor
Dan: or a night
Dan: starts walking around, night
Dan: you know, a night of ar
Dan: a suit of armour.
Dan: All this kind of stuff is just like
Dan: intrinsically part of Scooby-Doo.
Dan: And it's just i it's such a crazy weird concept.
Dan: Definitely drug related, I think,
Dan: came up with it.
Gav: Is
Gav: the sexual side of it as well with women dressed as film
Gav: and Daphne
Gav: at Halloween parties and things
Dan: Yeah, I mean
Dan: again, I've just just watched those two movies with Sarah Michelle Geller
Dan: and Freddie Prince Jr.
Dan: and um obviously it's got um
Dan: Uh what's his name play
Dan: Shaggy?
Dan: Well I can't remember his name from
Dan: scream.
Dan: Jesus, help me out, Gav.
Gav: Yeah, I'm
Gav: blanking, but I know it.
Dan: Matthew um
Gav: Lil
Gav: Lil Lil
Gav: Lilid
Dan: Matthew Lillard, who is incredible
Dan: as short.
Dan: Matthew Lizard.
Gav: My problem is going lizard.
Gav: It's not
Gav: lizard.
Dan: But there's even points in those films, and
Dan: obviously Sarah Michelle Geller
Dan: is herself a bit of a heartthrob.
Dan: But also
Dan: Velma
Dan: is very sexy in those films.
Dan: And she's crawling around on all fours trying to find her glasses with her skirt.
Dan: But it's just like
Dan: this is for the dads.
Dan: The kids are enjoying this, but some of this is for the dads as well.
Dan: Yeah, and there's there's obviously like you can go and find fanfiction of what goes on with these five in the back of the mystery machine.
Gav: What's that done?
Gav: I don't know what you're
Gav: doing
Dan: Doggy
Dan: style?
Dan: Shall
Dan: we say?
Dan: Oh.
Dan: Roggy round?
Dan: Roggy.
Dan: Um, yeah, it
Dan: it's great
Dan: and
Dan: There's even a new sh
Dan: there's a new film, a new series coming out on Netflix, I think it is, um, which is all live action
Dan: and they're gonna use a real dog.
Dan: with some CGI on it.
Gav: Okay.
Gav: Um
Dan: but I think one of the best things about it is obviously the original 60s, 70s and 80s stuff is amazing.
Dan: But Gav, you mean you have talked about this several times.
Dan: Is
Dan: the one that th
Dan: that came out in the two
Dan: thousands,
Dan: which is clearly
Dan: written and directed by the
Dan: people
Dan: our age as you've just said, you know, every episode and I watch it
Dan: most nights in bed
Dan: when it's my bedtime because me and my wife take it in
Dan: turns to do bedtime for the kids.
Dan: We will watch an episode of Scooby-Doo
Dan: from
Dan: from this new version that's on Netflix, and
Dan: why I say new, it's sort of fifteen years old now
Dan: And every episode I'm like,
Dan: this is clearly a John
Dan: Carpenter's the Fog
Dan: episode, or this is a The Thing episode.
Dan: You know,
Dan: whatever it is, they've got
Dan: multiple references to classic horror films in every single episode
Dan: and it's great because the kids are enjoying it
Dan: because they're just like
Dan: this is fun
Dan: trying to see what's going on and they do find it a bit scary at times
Dan: my five year olds
Dan: anyway
Dan: But I'm like, as a horror fan, I'm like, I can see all the Easter eggs in this and it's brilliant.
Dan: It's just
Dan: um
Dan: a huge part of pop culture.
Dan: And you could go down a whole tangent about how horror was everywhere in the 80s
Dan: uh you know, with the garbage pole
Dan: kids and whatever else it might be.
Dan: But I just think Scooby-Doo, especially at Christmas, definitely deserves
Dan: a mention
Dan: at Christmas?
Dan: I mean
Dan: Halloween, sorry.
Dan: It's a Christmas then.
Dan: Oh absolutely.
Dan: But it's kind of
Dan: it's all Christmas.
Dan: But I just think it
Dan: deserves a mention because it's a huge part of pop culture, especially for horror
Dan: horror nerds.
Dan: Yeah
Dan: But not just Haron
Dan: 's anybody who's anybody, anybody who's thirty
Dan: and up
Dan: grew up watching kid uh
Dan: Scooby-Doo, you know.
Dan: I don't think kids are watching it as much now.
Dan: But it's
Dan: a massive part of our childhood.
Gav: Uh okay, see
Gav: Lodge and I do um
Gav: yeah, we started watching Mystery Incorporated, need to get back to it.
Gav: Trouble is now um
Gav: there's
Gav: there's a a lot of choice of things to do for kids.
Gav: They
Gav: have
Gav: a massive choice of stuff.
Gav: Back in the day, but
Gav: what's on teddy?
Gav: Scooby-doo's on.
Gav: What's your fucking Scooby-Doo?
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Um
Dan: I mean it's it's basically
Dan: I'm just looking at the amount of series that there's been.
Dan: There's been obviously Scooby-Doo Where Are You
Dan: Then there's the the Scooby-Doo movies that all came out.
Dan: There really
Dan: 16 of those.
Dan: There's the Scooby-Doo show, um, the Scooby and Scrappy
Dan: Show.
Dan: Then the Scrappy Doo had his own show for a while, then there's the new Scooby and Scrappy Show, then the new Scooby-Doo show, then a pup named Scooby-Doo, then what's new Scooby-Doo, Shagging Scooby-Doo.
Dan: Yeah and they just kept making it and making it
Gav: making it.
Gav: A live show didn't they, I'm pretty sure
Gav: As well looks
Gav: a theatre stage.
Gav: Better
Dan: making one.
Dan: Oh
Dan: probably, yeah.
Dan: I can imagine them doing a musical of that.
Gav: Yeah of course.
Dan: But yeah, Scooby-Doo
Dan: is
Dan: just fantastic, really, and it's timeless.
Dan: And
Dan: um
Dan: I loved that when my kids found Ghost Castle, they thought it was a Scooby-Doo game, because
Dan: It is a bit
Dan: like that
Dan: with the
Dan: booby traps and everything, you know?
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: And that's all I've got to say on it really.
Dan: Yeah,
Gav: Scooby Doo's rad.
Gav: I think
Gav: I don't think anybody on
Gav: here is not gonna go, oh
Gav: fuck Scooby-Doo, Scooby-Doo shit.
Gav: No one's gonna do that.
Dan: Yeah, absolutely.
Dan: It's just harmless fun and a great gateway into sort of spookier
Dan: things if you want to get your kids into
Dan: the
Gav: Yeah, uh perfect for Halloween with your kids if you wanted to watch something with them
Dan: Yeah, and we've watched the two movies.
Gav: I'm gonna do the Scooby Doo movie at some point.
Gav: It's very hard for me to get the kids involved, but Halloween
Gav: they apparently
Gav: might
Gav: be able to except my oldest is already
Gav: said to be, but uh it's my friend's birthday that day too, so I will be spending time with them too.
Gav: Uh okay.
Gav: Which should probably be on the internet
Gav: Alright, cool.
Dan: R
Dan: Rowan Atkinson is in the first one.
Gav: Oh wow.
Gav: I can't I I saw them
Gav: with the kids a long time ago, but I definitely would watch it again just for the
Dan: You've got Alicia Alicia
Dan: Silverstone and a few other cameos
Dan: in the second one.
Dan: The second one has got more Easter eggs in it for the original cartoon
Dan: But the first one is the slightly better film.
Dan: But the effects are dated now.
Dan: They're over twenty-five years old now, the first one anyway.
Dan: 2001 that came out.
Dan: So it's 25
Dan: years old now.
Dan: But
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: They capture the essence and the the the sort of spirit of the cartoons really well, I think.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Um
Dan: just
Dan: go into them
Dan: Try and turn your brain to
Dan: ten
Dan: year old Gav.
Dan: Don't go into them with your critical eye.
Gav: Oh, I'm not gonna go into
Gav: the film review or something, though.
Dan: Just watch them for what they are, which is just Scooby-Doo.
Dan: Absolutely.
Dan: Frying
Dan: and eating cakes.
Gav: Well I thought that was very good.
Gav: Thank you very much for that.
Dan: You're welcome.
Dan: Well that was pop
Dan: fiction.
Gav: I don't know what next time would be, but that'd be me.
Gav: Fucking hell.
Gav: Well
Dan: talking of next time we
Dan: better go and come back for the outro.
Gav: Yeah, let's do it.
Gav: Let's do it.
Gav: And
Gav: we're back again
Dan: We're back again to say
Dan: goodbye
Dan: to you.
Dan: How
Dan: feeling
Dan: sane
Gav: Sayanora
Gav: Um
Dan: we hope you
Dan: have enjoyed our Halloween episode.
Dan: We
Dan: wish you all a happy Halloween and a spooky season.
Dan: We hope you're getting through your 31 days of horror, whatever it is you're doing.
Dan: Unless you're sticky Frank, in which case we hope you rotten
Dan: hell with the rest of the cena bites Frank.
Gav: And
Gav: so stop
Gav: grabbing people's boobs
Gav: with
Gav: your skinless hands.
Dan: Come to daddy.
Gav: Come to
Gav: daddy.
Dan: So
Dan: let's talk about what's coming up next.
Dan: So
Dan: next episode is my pick.
Dan: Uh, episode 193, and I've convinced Gav to
Dan: Briefly we've
Dan: got back to our previous format of two films.
Dan: So we are gonna be covering
Gav: We did
Gav: we did last year and previously the other
Gav: previous years
Gav: had these two
Gav: going
Gav: in simulation
Gav: uh
Gav: simulation
Gav: going together
Gav: uh uh uh uh uh
Gav: in symmetry um
Gav: as they go along in the series so it does make sense to carry on that tradition.
Gav: So
Dan: that means it'll be our annual franchise face-off
Dan: where we'll be covering the next film in the Hannah.
Dan: series and the next film in the Nightmare on Elm
Dan: Street series
Dan: which
Dan: means
Dan: for episode under
Dan: 93 we'll be covering
Dan: uh
Dan: Where's Craven's New
Dan: Nightmare which is the very meta
Dan: almost scream
Dan: style
Dan: Freddie
Dan: film that he did in 1994.
Gav: Which I think I've seen maybe once, I don't
Gav: remember.
Dan: Really interesting
Dan: chat.
Gav: Yes, yes.
Dan: Everybody plays himself, etc.
Dan: But
Dan: excitingly, that's getting paired up with one of my friends.
Dan: favourite Halloween films of all time
Dan: and I know the same for you.
Dan: Halloween
Dan: H
Dan: twenty.
Gav: Oh.
Dan: Twenty
Dan: years later.
Gav: With Josh Hartner.
Dan: With Josh Hartner.
Dan: Which is just a great film.
Dan: Came out during that boom of sort of scream and
Dan: I need to bump
Gav: I need to bump into
Gav: him
Gav: if he's local now.
Gav: He's not local now, he's been local for years, I just had no idea.
Gav: I need
Gav: bump into him and say
Gav: like, Oh, come
Gav: on the podcast, come
Gav: talk about your character in Halloween.
Gav: Um
Gav: I do like
Gav: that film.
Gav: Um it's a fun movie and uh
Gav: I did pick up all the movies last year on Blu-ray.
Gav: Accidentally I picked up pirate movies on Blu-ray.
Gav: I do apologize to the cinema
Gav: world out there.
Gav: I didn't mean to buy pirated
Gav: films of Halloween.
Gav: I didn't
Gav: think
Gav: they
Gav: I didn't know they were, I just thought they were like Japanese movies or something
Gav: that were played on
Gav: UK players.
Gav: But no, they're they are pirates.
Gav: Sorry, don't come
Gav: killing me.
Dan: But if things work out well in twenty twenty seven we'll be covering the bus
Dan: to ride.
Gav: I know Halloween Resurrection.
Gav: I I I hope we do
Gav: because
Gav: I don't know why
Gav: Halloween Resurrection
Gav: I've seen
Gav: so many times.
Gav: I've probably seen that
Gav: movie more times but I used to hate it.
Gav: I used to hate it with passion.
Gav: I used to like really
Gav: really
Gav: hate it
Gav: and then
Gav: I had this hate love
Gav: race relationship with it.
Gav: All of a sudden it just turned
Gav: and I was in love with the movie.
Gav: And every Halloween I have it
Gav: on I watch it 'cause it's just like
Gav: this movie's so bad but I love it 'cause it's so bad.
Gav: It's got a fountain
Gav: it's got a fountain footage tip
Gav: to it as well and it's just so bad.
Gav: It's just great
Dan: And that'll work out really well 'cause it'll that'll tie in with the
Dan: Final Freddie, Freddy versus Jason.
Gav: It is the one though, I'm pretty sure though.
Gav: It starts off with a pretty strong opening, which is um a a very young
Gav: Oh
Gav: what's he called?
Gav: Actor.
Gav: Motherfucker, I can't remember his name.
Gav: You'd know the actor.
Gav: Oh
Gav: for god's sake.
Gav: Uh
Gav: it
Gav: he plays a young ice hockey like
Gav: ladies
Gav: outside and the the nurse comes home and she's like
Gav: I think my place has been burgled
Gav: and he goes in to look around the place.
Dan: Yes, yes.
Gav: What's he what's that
Gav: actor?
Dan: Is that
Dan: um
Dan: Uh
Dan: Sean
Dan: Patrick Thomas?
Gav: No.
Dan: Thomas Ian Nicholson?
Gav: No.
Dan: Don't know them.
Gav: Fuck.
Gav: Isn't that Christmas movie
Gav: we
Gav: like as well?
Dan: I don't know.
Gav: With the three guys, Seth Green,
Gav: Seth Green, Seth
Dan: Seth Rogan.
Gav: Seth Rogan.
Gav: And the two other guys.
Dan: Anthony Mackie.
Gav: Not Anthony
Gav: Mackie, the other one
Dan: Uh
Dan: who
Dan: 's the third one in that?
Gav: Oh that's who it is.
Gav: That's him.
Gav: So he's a beginning of Hammering Resurrection, whoever that is.
Gav: Gordon Joseph
Gav: Lev
Gav: Levitt
Dan: Gordon Joseph Levitt, yes.
Dan: Joseph Gordon Levitt.
Gav: Oh my god
Gav: I'm so sorry, listeners.
Gav: You'd just be like
Gav: Why are we distant to this podcast?
Gav: It's five minutes of them going
Gav: Uh
Dan: Well anyway, that
Dan: that's not till
Dan: twenty twenty seven anyway.
Dan: So
Dan: we haven't got a room
Dan: this name for the game.
Dan: Oh
Gav: happy Halloween
Gav: all of you.
Gav: Just listen to me and Dan
Gav: 's brains
Gav: go click, click, click, click.
Dan: So, our next episode will be a double
Dan: bill, Franchise Faceoff, Halloween
Dan: H20,
Dan: and
Dan: West
Dan: Graves and New Nightmare.
Dan: After that will be our Christmas special
Dan: And I'm happy to announce now what we're going to be covering.
Dan: It's not a horror film, but it's about a
Dan: boy who has to fight for survival against two ruthless home invaders.
Dan: And he uses various booby traps and deadly weapons against them.
Dan: And yes, of course I'm talking about Home Alone.
Dan: The original Home Alone.
Dan: I think it'll be a fun conversation to have.
Gav: Yeah, it's not
Gav: a horror movie in
Gav: genre's sakes.
Gav: But yes.
Gav: No.
Dan: But there are some pretty horrific stuff that goes on in it.
Dan: Um
Gav: we can talk about.
Gav: Sorry Sarah, I know you won't like that.
Gav: Uh
Dan: but we can talk about how some of those booby traps would actually pan out in real life and how that kid is probably gonna be seeking some help.
Dan: And also there's
Dan: Theories online
Dan: that he became jigsaw
Dan: because
Dan: he was
Dan: got
Gav: we could speak of the movie as it is
Gav: as a
Gav: hor
Gav: as it's a horror movie.
Gav: As a horror movie.
Gav: Do you know what I mean?
Dan: Yeah, we could do that.
Dan: After that, probably going into the new year will be another
Dan: patron.
Dan: And that will be the lovely Rachel
Dan: She's yet to get back to us with what her pick might be, and that's fine.
Dan: Take your time, Rach, but do get back to us soon.
Dan: So that's our next three episodes.
Gav: And
Gav: Rach, we do
Gav: Happily
Gav: give us like a
Gav: classic horror movie.
Gav: There's
Gav: a few things we still haven't actually watched, so I would suggest give us a list of ten
Gav: of your like your favorite movies
Gav: If you can do that just
Gav: look at your DVD collection or whatever or your favourite films and then that way we can go for it easier rather than
Gav: I don't want you panicking
Gav: about
Gav: what to pick and then just pick a uh
Gav: a random Netflix you want.
Gav: That one and look at a Netflix and pick that one.
Gav: Don't do that.
Gav: Find us find us a good one.
Gav: Come on.
Gav: But don't stress.
Gav: Don't worry.
Dan: Yeah there's no stress
Dan: for
Dan: all friends here on the hill
Dan: that's haunted.
Gav: Anyway, it's Halloween.
Gav: Are you gonna be trick-or-trick
Gav: with the kidwinks
Dan: Well I think on that Saturday, as I've said, I'm gonna be we're gonna do Hubie Halloween.
Gav: Yep.
Dan: Then we're gonna go out trick-or-treating.
Gav: Yep.
Dan: And then
Dan: and then
Dan: because there are
Dan: only five, my kids, we'll be back early-ish.
Dan: Then we might hand out some Halloween sweets
Dan: to people when they come knocking on our door.
Dan: Then when they've gone to bed, I will
Gav: Oh, you
Gav: uh
Gav: treat yourself.
Dan: Yeah, I'm definitely gonna do Halloween, the original, and then I'll I might do another film with it as well before I usually watch Halloween.
Dan: I I never know
Dan: I always say to myself, I'm very tired and I usually want to go to bed about 11, 11.
Dan: 30, but then I
Dan: I think
Dan: It's Halloween and I always put on the original Halloween really late at night.
Dan: Sometimes it's late as
Dan: well.
Gav: I used to do it in Fort
Gav: Sleep too as well.
Gav: That was my
Gav: train
Gav: boom, so
Gav: yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dan: But
Dan: It's gonna be done.
Dan: So yeah, that's what I'm doing.
Dan: And you're
Dan: you're
Dan: your kids as well.
Gav: Yeah, uh I'll be trick-or-tripping
Gav: then stuff, but I I'm probably gonna be all excited and spend the day
Gav: watching stuff have them
Gav: have the TV on with horror movies playing all day sort of thing and just try and do stuff for the kids if I can.
Gav: They are quite hard work to do
Gav: Depends what mood they're in, you know.
Gav: I'm hoping they're gonna spend some time with me, but uh
Gav: Daisy said to me I want to watch the original Halloween um and I want to do Halloween one
Gav: and two
Gav: Together
Gav: but I don't I I know what's gonna happen if I leave it I might get around it and
Gav: she
Gav: 'd be like
Gav: I don't fancy watching it now.
Gav: It's very hard, you know, so I might still just
Gav: do Halloween
Gav: one and two
Gav: the originals
Gav: like back
Gav: to back
Gav: 'Cause I've never done that yet and I still want to do it.
Gav: I know you can get fan supercuts of
Gav: them.
Gav: Like you can get
Gav: a Rob
Gav: Zombie supercut
Gav: and things like that as well
Dan: It w
Dan: it works really well.
Dan: I've done it once, and it does work really well 'cause obviously they they literally
Gav: Yeah
Dan: go straight into each other.
Dan: Um
Dan: and I really love number two.
Gav: So uh I'm doing that stuff, but um everybody out there, all you listeners, uh
Gav: do have a really good time doing it, by the way.
Gav: Enjoy your Halloween and I hope you are enjoying it.
Gav: You might be listening to us right now
Gav: Spooky.
Dan: Well, I'll do our housekeeping and then we can say our goodbyes
Dan: um and wish everybody a proper Halloween.
Dan: So as always, we are the Podcast on Haunted Hill.
Dan: We are a proud member of Legion Podcasts Network.
Dan: Uh we're coming up to our thirteen years of podcasting soon.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Which is crazy, but unlucky for some.
Dan: Um
Dan: You can find out more about Legion Podcasts if you visit LegionPodcasts.com
Dan: LegionPodcasts.com
Dan: That's where you can find out about us and all the other shows on the network.
Dan: As well as
Dan: all of the back
Dan: catalogues of those shows.
Dan: We're also a private member of Deadbolt Media.
Dan: More on that in just a moment.
Dan: If you want to contact us you can email us
Dan: at the uh podcast
Dan: on
Dan: did who
Dan: at outlook.
Dan: com
Dan: and I can answer any of your queries there.
Dan: We're also on Facebook.
Dan: Our Facebook page is just simply
Dan: the podcast on Haunted Hill and Legion
Dan: also have their Facebook page Legion Podcasts.
Dan: So go on there.
Dan: We're really active on there, especially this month.
Dan: It's crazy this month.
Dan: Everybody posting up all the things they're watching and listening to.
Dan: It's so much fun and I love our
Dan: I love our Facebook page anyway, but I love it in October.
Dan: It's just so much fun to see what everyone's watching.
Dan: Wherever you're listening to us now is where you can continue to listen to us.
Dan: We're available on most podcast platforms.
Dan: Spotify, although there's been a glitch
Dan: But we'll be back on Spotify soon.
Dan: Spotify, YouTube, PodKnife, Podbean, Apple, all the other places you normally listen to podcasts.
Dan: And we're on Instagram.
Dan: Our handle on Instagram is
Dan: the podcast on Haunted Hill Insta, which is we
Dan: we just use Instagram to promote the show and the episodes when they come out, uh
Dan: with a link to that episode.
Dan: So if you want to see some cool montages of posters on there and a link to the episode, that's what you can do.
Dan: Deadbolt Films is our production company.
Dan: We have a website which is deadboltfilms.
Dan: com.
Dan: We have a YouTube
Dan: channel as well.
Dan: If you go there to either of those, you can find out all about the short films, the
Dan: feature films, the comic books, um
Dan: and
Dan: this podcast as well as Gav's other podcasts which occasionally resurvices like the Kraken
Dan: from the
Dan: Ocean
Dan: Even though you think it's
Dan: you think it's dead and then it comes back from war, just like uh a good horror movie.
Gav: The the
Gav: the High Strangers
Gav: podcast of my lovely Sarah.
Gav: Um but we're having a hiatus from the main episode, but we do have a main episode almost ready to go
Gav: actually.
Gav: But we
Gav: had a hiatus from it because it started to become a bit hard to do in life.
Gav: Um
Gav: but we do do the extra
Gav: extra where we just do like
Gav: what's happened
Gav: recently around the world in news, which is weird and strange.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: If you are on Instagram and you
Dan: fancy
Dan: following us there as well, the handle there is Deadbolt
Dan: Films, all on the
Gav: road.
Gav: Yes.
Gav: Um
Gav: very quickly then
Gav: also uh
Gav: YouTube
Gav: uh
Gav: the
Gav: um
Gav: video
Gav: shop
Gav: um
Gav: I
Gav: think is that the video
Gav: shop rental
Gav: would be the YouTube
Gav: handle
Gav: and it I am looking at
Gav: Each episode
Gav: about 10 minutes I'm looking at a video tape from my video collection
Gav: as if I was trying to recommend you a video in a video shop
Gav: Um
Gav: I've covered a few movies at the moment, Cobra
Gav: Charles
Gav: Plays Shining
Gav: Fright
Gav: Night.
Gav: I'm just cutting a Texas Chancel
Gav: Masker
Gav: one
Gav: and a couple others.
Gav: Um
Gav: if you wanna
Gav: check out videotapes and the artwork and stuff like that.
Gav: This is for you.
Gav: I'm trying to make a uh basically a library
Gav: for the world.
Gav: So
Gav: it'll always be there.
Gav: You can always look at the video tapes in detail and the video box art.
Gav: Um
Gav: and I'm trying to just
Gav: do that really I'm trying to categorize it and have it there.
Gav: So
Gav: they'll always be there.
Gav: But anyway that's the handle video
Gav: shop rental.
Gav: So check it out.
Gav: Thank you.
Dan: Yeah it's really good fun.
Dan: Um
Dan: I'm enjoying watching those and seeing what you come up with next.
Gav: Yes.
Gav: Um
Dan: and finally, we are also part of Patreon.
Dan: So if you wish to support us, you like what you hear and you wish to support us in a
Dan: monetary fashion
Dan: you can do so uh for as little as a pound or a dollar a month you can become a patron
Dan: supporter.
Dan: The perks
Dan: of that are
Dan: Several.
Dan: Number one, you will get a t-shirt
Dan: sent to you wherever you are
Dan: of
Dan: our
Dan: lovely logo, the Podcast on Haunted Hill.
Dan: Three colours available.
Dan: It is white, it is grey, and it is a lovely baby blue colour as well.
Gav: At some stage we will get a black
Gav: stun.
Dan: Yeah, we need to get some black stun as well.
Dan: Um
Dan: you will also get to pick
Dan: Every three episodes one of our patrons picks the film that we watch.
Dan: So that's always fun as well.
Dan: And you get exclusive content available only on Patreon as well, such as smaller bonus episodes, some video stuff as well.
Dan: And of course you can access our entire back
Dan: catalogue on there as well whenever you want.
Dan: So it's all been
Dan: stored on there nicely
Dan: for anybody who wants to become a patron.
Dan: As soon as you are a patron, you get complete access to everything that's ever been released on there.
Dan: And of course
Dan: you will also
Dan: get
Dan: your name right out at the end of each episode which i'm about to do
Dan: but yeah if you go to patreon and search for the podcast on haunted hill that's where you find it if you're unable to find that for some reason
Dan: hit me up on facebook messenger
Dan: or
Dan: you can uh use that email address I gave ear earlier
Dan: and I will guide you
Dan: guide you in
Dan: to the uh patron
Gav: hey you
Gav: all
Gav: just
Gav: just
Gav: Pick you up and just place
Gav: you in the right direction.
Gav: Just push you in.
Gav: Slowly.
Dan: Come to daddy.
Gav: Glide it in.
Dan: Come to daddy.
Gav: Come into
Gav: daddy.
Dan: So
Dan: I'm about to name all of our lovely patrons and thank them all for their support.
Dan: Okay
Dan: Dante, come to daddy.
Dan: Don
Dan: 't call you.
Dan: This is gonna be difficult to say.
Dan: Don't call you, come
Dan: to daddy.
Dan: Matthew Godley, come to daddy.
Dan: I'm gonna try and do it different for each one.
Dan: Kevin S.
Dan: wife.
Dan: Come to
Dan: daddy.
Dan: Rachel, come
Dan: to
Dan: daddy.
Dan: Are
Dan: Jamie
Dan: Creedy?
Dan: Come to daddy.
Gav: Oh, that sounds yakky.
Dan: And and next
Dan: boo.
Dan: Come to daddy.
Gav: That sounds just creepy.
Gav: At least it's creepy.
Dan: It's a creepy
Dan: you can't make that sound sexy though, Gav.
Dan: That
Dan: comes a daddy.
Dan: It's a bit weird.
Gav: I thought it sounded sexy
Gav: sexually yucky.
Dan: Yeah.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Well
Dan: hopefully that turned at least one of
Dan: if not a couple of you guys on
Dan: patrons or even just our listeners.
Dan: If not
Dan: Then I'm don't care
Dan: because
Gav: if someone's looped it and a little sampler and they're just there just pressing
Gav: come to daddy, come to daddy, come to daddy, come to daddy.
Dan: I hope so
Gav: Maybe.
Gav: Um
Dan: but thank you so much
Dan: patrons.
Dan: Um
Dan: we would do this without you, but we can do it better with you.
Dan: Um
Dan: Your funding helps us um
Dan: do so much to
Dan: keep the show going.
Gav: Um
Gav: your following support when we have hiatuses.
Gav: We we really do try to do this, but as
Gav: human beings and have hearts, souls and minds, we sometimes need to give them a little bit of a rest.
Dan: Indeed.
Dan: So thank you to all of you guys and thank you to everybody for listening, following, supporting us over these years.
Dan: As I say, our
Dan: Christmas episode will be our
Dan: 13th anniversary episode as well.
Dan: So
Dan: that'll
Dan: that'll be interesting and fun to celebrate that with Macaulay Culkin.
Gav: Absolutely.
Gav: Um
Dan: that's us.
Dan: That's everything.
Dan: That was episode 192.
Dan: Thank you, Gavin, for Hellraiser
Dan: and raising my hell
Gav: Thank you.
Gav: Uh
Gav: thank you for being here with me and listening to me
Gav: Raising Hell
Gav: from
Gav: D MC album Raisin Hell.
Gav: And as I as
Gav: a uh uh
Gav: Brilliant a song.
Gav: Hellraiser.
Dan: It'd be a bit weird if
Dan: if they
Gav: if
Dan: Run
Dan: imagine if Rundy MC
Dan: did the soundtrack for Hellraiser, it'd be a bit weird, wouldn't it?
Gav: It would be.
Dan: But they did like Ghostbusters 2 and a few other f
Dan: you so, you know, I don't know, they could have done it.
Dan: But whatever.
Dan: But
Dan: anyway
Dan: So it's a
Dan: It's time to say goodbyes and goodnights.
Gav: It's
Gav: it's definitely a good night from Yucky
Gav: Skinners, Pervey Boob
Gav: grabbing
Gav: Frank.
Gav: Come to
Gav: Daddy.
Dan: It
Dan: is.
Dan: It's a good night from Butterbull
Dan: Butterball.
Dan: Who'll be standing in your doorway next to big joint cock
Dan: magga
Dan: thing.
Gav: It's a good
Gav: night
Gav: uh
Gav: to um
Gav: Kirsty, is that the mum?
Gav: No.
Dan: Julia.
Gav: Jess
Gav: good
Gav: night to Julia, who is
Gav: she
Gav: is
Gav: mad for it.
Dan: And it's a good night from Pinhead.
Gav: It's a good night from Pinhead.
Gav: Make sure you lock your windows, doors, check under your bed for Pinhead.
Dan: Check under your floorboards.
Dan: If you spill some blood, make sure there's not
Dan: an almond
Dan: under there, pump
Dan: in.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Have a safe and happy Halloween.
Dan: Yes, but
Dan: treats and little tricks.
Gav: Don't worry about the razor blades and the apples.
Gav: That's
Gav: I don't think it's a f
Gav: But anyway.
Dan: Yeah, that's not real.
Gav: Who the fuck gets apples for Halloween?
Dan: Oh, I'd be pissed off.
Dan: My kids would be.
Dan: There's the smarties.
Dan: That's what they'd be saying.
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: Alright, everybody be safe out there and we'll be back again real soon.
Gav: Take care, everybody.
Gav: Happy Halloween.
Gav: Happy Halloween.
Gav: Thank you for listening to the Podcast on Haunted Hill.
Gav: We will be back again real soon.
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