Last Call At Torchy's : Deadwood Pilot

Hal's got words I guess when it starts pissing raining here, you know who to blame, huh?

Now I know words circulate.

Indians kill the family on the spearfish road.

Now it's not for me to tell anyone in this camp what to do

Much as I don't want more people getting their throats cut, their scalp lifted, or any other godless thing that these godless, bloodthirsty heathens do, or even if someone wants to ride out in darkest night

But I will tell you this.

I use tonight to get myself organized.

Right out in the morning.

Clear-headed.

And starting tomorrow morning, I will offer a personal $50 bounty for every decapitated heading with as many of these godless heathen cocksuckers as anyone can bring in tomorrow with no upper limit.

That's all I say on that subject, except Nat's rounds on the house.

God rest the souls of that poor family.

And pussy's half price next fifteen minutes.

Okay, ladies, let's go!

She must have done some fancy fucking to keep Al from killing her.

Where's Bill Hicko?

Where's Charlie?

Give me a drink.

It's all right, Al.

I know you got a lot on your mind.

That was one hell of a good talk.

Look, you got everybody back at the tables.

Doing what they do.

Tell you the truth.

For murdering people on the road to Spearfish, my money would be on persimmon fill.

Make it look like index.

That is his speciality.

Hey, is it true?

Engines killing white people?

That's the sewer mouth that follows Hitcock around.

Why are we standing here?

Ride it out tomorrow, daybreak.

Oh real tomorrow.

What's your fucking russ

I'm going now.

He was that bill.

He was that church

I know the rogue spearfish, and I don't drink where I'm the only fucking one with balls.

And you dig it.

And you dig it.

And you dig it.

Every time you go to bar, the bar's got somebody who thinks he's as tough as a nickel steak.

But they all come to speed for the go-ray me.

We brothers and we friends.

My little brother was 15 years old.

Think about that.

You're winning, you know.

How about cutting heads?

Oh I get it.

You want some kind of contest, huh?

You're a real smart boy.

I guess maybe you'll have to kill me.

It'll hurt if I do.

Well.

Looks like I finally ran into someone that likes to play as rough as I do.

Yeah.

This must be a lucky night.

My bodies, they not nice like me.

We supposed to say thanks.

You're not supposed to say nothing.

So yeah

Hello folks, once again, it's been a long time, but this is the last call of Torchy's.

I am one of your hosts, Cocksucker, Gary Hill.

With me as usual is cocksucker.

Lee Russell, how you doing, sir?

uh damp palms running my family, I guess.

Um I don't know what that means, but uh yeah I'm doing all right.

It's it's it's been a little while, but you know, we've we finally uh circled around and we're back and uh

We're in a dusty little uh boom town full of uh scum and villainy and uh people looking to make their fortune and uh a lot of people swear a lot

Yeah.

Wouldn't you know what cocksucker camera scots are too?

How you doing, man?

I I prefer the the term cocksucker number three.

Thank you.

I'm doing good though.

Excited to get my boots a little muddy and uh my guns out of the holsters.

Nice, nice, nice.

Yeah, been a long time, but yeah, if you guys didn't want to wear

This is a show we do when we can get to it.

Uh all about Walter Hill's filmography, um, directing work so far.

We there's more to explore in writing and stuff, but um

Next up in the in the in the in the till here, if you will, is um the Deadwood pilot, which he uh was the director on and the right and uh consulting producer on.

And um yeah, this stars a whole lot of people that you may know.

Um remember three years, but Walter Hill out of and uh the pr the the the pilot and that's that's about it as far as uh that goes.

Yeah, I I think he's just, you know, after that he's just kind of like producer, kind of like tangenally connected to it kind of thing.

Um it might even just be like uh an alien situation where it's like my name's on all of this and I'm gonna get paid for it even if I don't do shit.

Yeah.

Well associated by proxy

Yeah.

That is the way to go.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh boy.

Yeah, your your principles in in the pilot, you know, 'cause it's it's just a lot to explore and I think lay it out pretty well in in the pilot.

Um, Timothy Olivant is Seth Bullock.

Ian McShane is uh the Dazer Lee Al Swearing is Al Al Sweringen

Uh Molly Parton.

Molly Park Molly Parton.

Molly Parker as Alma Garrett.

My words escaped me.

WRL B round, you know, from much things.

Um most folks that know him from Scream.

as Dan Doherty, your your local bartender.

Uh Brad Doruf as Doc Cochran.

John Hawkes um a soul star.

Now you know this actor.

Um

From a lot of things, but I think uh prominently displayed in from Dust Till Dawn as is the gift prior to Benny's World of Liquor or Benny's World of Blood, whatever they call it, you know?

Um great great conversations there.

Uh you're gonna continue Dayton Kelly mentioned last time on the dispute episode.

Uh plays ch Place Charlie Utter.

Uh Leon Rippey, you can, and the face you should know.

Leanne Rippe shows up in so many things as Tom Nettle.

William Sanderson is E.

V.

Farden, the guy that owns the hotel.

Robin Wilgert as he is.

Yes indeed.

Robin Wilgert as Calamity Jane and we'll talk about that because I think it's pretty pretty spectacular.

There's there's more folks in here, but a lot of folks show up later.

Jeffrey Jones will we'll mention him because I like his acting work.

I don't like his his his quirks, if you will

But uh unfortunately but uh shows up and shows out and stuff like this all the time though.

And he does a good job.

That's all I'll say about it.

He does a good job, yeah.

I can still enjoy his work.

And um and as in I guess uh a five episode arc it's been a while since I watched these, um Keith Carradine as as wild Bill Hickcock and this uh this pilot

um shows up in this and I I gotta mention him because he shows up for a hot second.

Uh Blue Island's own, Illinois' own uh South Suburb guy, Mike Haggerty, who you've seen in many, many things

shows up as a guy who's screaming at a wagon that they give a uh a chamber pot to.

Oh yeah.

I just love the Mike Caggery shows up in this.

So it just

It's a series of of people who shows up in this thing that makes me so happy.

But um I'll kick it to Cam burst.

Um

Well, I have to thank my mother for introducing me to this.

I was living on my own.

far away from home and she sent it to me burnt on CD or on uh video disc.

And I was just like, what is this fucking series?

And she sent me season two first and I was just like, I was fucking lost.

But I finally saw season one and this is you know no surprise.

This is my favorite TV show of all time.

Literally my favorite TV show.

They could have given us 18 seasons of this and I'd have been happy.

Never have I seen a Western series and I love Westerns.

portrayed such as this.

I mean, like just down, dirty.

I mean the closest was uh you know Walter Hill's uh Wild Bill, which you know took place in the same kind of in universe.

Uh I love this series.

Um for introducing me to Timothy the Oliphant, for introducing me to fucking elsewhere in Jenny and McShane.

I I knew you know of him, but I hadn't seen his work up until this point.

Mm-hmm.

I fucking love it.

Uh I'm going to be saying that a lot.

Uh the colorful dialogue, the the calamity Jane.

I mean, geez, what's not the love about this?

You know, old crotchety doc.

play by Brad Dourif, how he he lived through the three seasons of this with his health as bad as it was.

But uh yeah um

Is this the is this is if this isn't the best TV show of all time, then I don't know why anybody would think any different.

I don't know.

I don't know what else I can say about it, but it's the colorful dialogue, the colorful colorful characters, everything about it is just a chef's choice.

Cool.

Lee?

Yeah, so um like we were sort of talking uh off recording here

This is one I've been trying to like get into over and over again, and I I get a couple episodes in and then I get busy with other stuff and I just kind of drop it

Um and it's not anything to do with the quality of it.

Uh the few episodes I have seen are great, uh, and this is no exception.

Like the this is

probably one of the best constructed like debut pilot episodes for a series you could hope for because it establishes all your principles pretty much like all the main ones.

Um it establishes the dynamics in the town immediately with seemingly very little, like because it's jumping between characters a lot in the hour it's got.

But it does it depthly.

And it's and it's all through the performances and the dialogue for the most part.

You immediately get uh who Swear Engine is, what he's doing in town, the kind of

Plays he's making the kind of things he's doing to keep all the dirt off him, even though he's the dirtiest motherfucker in town.

Um

You know, I I was saying uh hive of scum and villainy.

Uh I mean that that is what Deadwood kind of is presented as here.

It's it's a place for great opportunity and a place where

Some people just go to die because uh they're gonna get either they're gonna get killed for shooting their mouth off or they're gonna come in with a big gold mine claim.

and get that taken away from them.

Um there's all kinds of that stuff going on and even in just this episode, that's kind of one of the the central threads of this episode is swearing Jin uh tricking a guy into buying a worthless gold uh claim.

and then and fleecing him for all of his money.

Um yeah, it it's great.

Uh the acting's great.

Um it is treading on some of the same territory that uh Walter Hill was al already treading on in Wild Bill.

And I think

Once we get into the discussion, we sort of can sort of talk about some of the differences between Wild Bill and how we see Wild Bill in this and how he's presented.

Um and uh I I do know that I I didn't get to the episode where he he departs from the series, but I I know uh while Bill is not long for this world in this series, and uh uh but I mean

Uh Keith Carradine just makes a an amazing impression uh even in this in in this first episode here.

And uh

Yeah everyone everyone's like pulling their weight no one's no one's stealing m the the series away yet uh from from me it like it's it's like everybody's contributing there's all these familiar faces it's it's like Sopranos where it's just like up and down

There's all these great character actors.

Some some are you know more noticeable than others.

You've seen them in other stuff, and some are going to show up in stuff in the next 20 years and be big, big actors.

Like

You know, Tim Volifant, his career's really just kind of starting to take off around this time.

Uh, you know, and um

I'm I'm thinking about like uh um what's his name?

Uh um oh yeah uh John Hawks, like he he's like a he's an indie darling now kind of almost like

You'll you'll see him in all kinds of like direct to streaming stuff, but he also just pops up in big uh films and television and stuff too.

But uh like all these really great character actors just like pinging off each other and

Um, there's there's there's not a moment of this episode that's not enjoyable.

Well put.

Yeah, the amount of world building you get in just just the first episode is pr pretty phenomenal.

And I I credit that to to to Walter.

And you know, it just

Everything coming together, you know, you t two guys come into town to a lawless town where we w w one was once a marshal and of course he comes to town where everything's just, you know, crazy and I

I lo I love the chaos of it.

I love everything about it.

And y it kinda reminds me of uh the way Tombstone's set up where they they they want to come to town and become legit and that that's all he was, but of course he gets

He gets sucked back in and I I love I love that.

That's what you want.

I I we've we're talking about justified off off the air and

At the end of the day, y you w you want Deputy Marshal Raylan Gibbons of the Old West.

So if you if you have that voter inside you that loves justified

And you want Rayland Gibbons of the Old West.

This is this is this is a show for you, a show and a half for you, in my opinion.

Those opening scenes with him, and you know, you learn exactly who Seth Bullock is.

Yeah

It's really great.

And um the opening's really great.

It says sets up, you know, just what kind of man he is and you know

No no nonsense, you know, with with with criminal and all this stuff, but you know it set sets up it sets up this town real great too.

With just a town full of hustlers.

in a town full of people who, you know, have to answer to the the the the main hustlers and you know know their place to stay in their lane or else something bad's gonna happen to them obviously.

Yeah.

Don't go fucking around the Jen Saloon, that's what I gotta say.

No, if if you're a loudmouth Irishman who who wants to, you know wants to get some money out of a deal when you already owe Swering Jen basically your life

He's got your life on tab.

You don't go demanding money because, well, he's just gonna collect your life off screen, you know.

It's like

Um what I what person I forgot to mention because he's into so much stuff too, is um our our our uh Asian character in this film.

I'm not sure if he's a pig farmer or what he is, but he he's a remover of the bodies apparently.

Uh Keon Young business woo.

He's been in tons of things over the years and

He just um he shows up and shows out in this in my opinion and he gets some good stuff in the movie, we'll talk about that another time, but

uh with him.

Um but he's got the body disposal business basically because he's got the things, right?

And I just love I

I love the the part where they throw the the the dude in the pit.

These hogs just go into town on that guy's belly.

It's just you know

Oh yeah, you know.

I wonder I wonder, was that Snatch that really established that as a as a trope as like uh just just a movie

Thematic touch tone where everybody knows now that, oh, someone owns pigs, there's a body that's going to be fed to them at some point.

Like it's it's it's just a trope now, right?

I feel like snatch is probably the

the modern touchstone to that.

But uh I don't I don't quite be like you could be like Clint Howard and Evil speaking just like try pigs and you know say, you know what?

He didn't own the pigs.

He just made them he just made 'em come, that's all, you know.

Oh gosh.

Yeah, real real good shit in our first episode.

And I I I I washed a little bit ahead

And it continues really, really well.

So it's been very long since I watched this whole series.

But I'm I'm I'm gonna dive back into it again, much like we promised to do that we'll say hey we'll get into a season and you know, we'll go watch something else but yeah.

I often say I don't need a reason to watch Deadwood, but I sure like to have one.

Yeah.

But yeah, like I

We you know we see how like the town is controlled by Swerengine, how he manipulates people.

Um like I said, keeping the dirt off himself at all times.

Like he's he's always

He's always very on top of like anything that would expose that he is like behind certain deals.

I I I do know that we learn that he is behind the family that gets massacred, which is kind of like the B plot of this or whatever.

Or actually it ends up being kind of the A plot of this at the end of it because this is

This is sort of the the culmination that establishes that Bulek is, you know, he he might be shades of gray, but he's like the white hat in this town.

And uh, you know, and while Bill is

is is also a seasoned law lawman and professional as well, with, you know, who's rough around the edges as well of his sort of sullied past.

But they both like immediately recognize that each each one of them is a professional, so they're immediately getting along.

Um but like uh swear engines just like

Even the way he looks, the way Ian McShane looks, he kind of looks like the devil.

Like if this if this if this series took a supernatural turn, you would not be surprised to see him like

show himself up like the devil at some point.

Like he just he he turns like totally red in the mirror or something.

You know, you get a you get like a Mephisto moment from uh smoke starts rolling out his ears or something.

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