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After the Indian we were gonna quit killing. The old man took it out of us.

Bye.

Well it was all just a mistake, you know.

Man was trying to help us, you know, pet us. Same dream I've had since I was a kid, I guess.

Yeah, so just uh

Running, running with the animals in the darkness. Mr. Rabbit.

Bloody fangs.

Christmas yeah.

Thank you.

Death just death kinda becomes what you are.

After a while you begin to like it. Now about realization Wayne. I mean, you know, all this just

감사합니다.

So Mr. Abbott's here is the moment of realization.

Moment of realization.

Das war's.

Dios and prayer.

Well crazy, man. Boy and I don't think I'm any crazier than you are.

I'm extreme, dark, and

You know that. I'm right with mouth.

That's your shadow.

You can't get rid of your shatter cane away.

Oh, you know the only thing that kills a demon Amen.

That's why I know that Mallory's my salvation. She was teaching me how to love.

Amen.

Here's your slack.

Being in the garden they

Only love.

Okay.

Praise the Lord.

Bringing us this generous bounty.

Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait. I worry what you just heard was give me a lot of bacon and eggs. What I said was give me Big hands, you have

Welcome to the Cinema Beef podcast. I am one of your hosts, Gary Hill.

It with me as usual is the one laughing behind me right now and she's got the giggles, y'all.

Hi. I've not had high octane beers tonight at all.

Uh also with me tonight is uh Jeffrey X Martin. How you doing, sir?

That's all I'm doing,'cause dang

That's fine.

I've done this like eight times now. So yeah, that's

That's my standing intro. Ha.

Yeah, well it's uh mini pearl howdy, uh just don't do that okay, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, I've I've got a press tag hanging from my scroat. So

I always thought it was a tea bag.

I don't know

No. I have to there has to be another person involved for there to be a tea bag because she's asleep, so

Ha ha ha.

Mm.

Allergy.

Bye.

Yeah, blame the allergies and not my double entendres. It's fine. It's fine.

I don't expect any kind of respect.

This is a film podcast sometimes, but uh yeah. Hey Sue, what you been watching lately?

Oh god, no. I've been basically other than these two movies, been playing, you know, once I get back to short attention spam theater. I've been watching my uh night gallery box uh which is

If you haven't got it and you're a fan, get it. It's fucking beautiful.

Who?

I love be some seventies Gary Collins.

Of God and he is magnificent.

Of course he is.

I'm a parapsychologist. Oh bruv, okay.

Oh yeah. And l flash those baby blues for me. Come on, baby. Come on there we go.

And the other thing I've been watching is this show I guess it I have no idea when it aired called Snowfall, about basically the rise of crack in the inner city in South Central.

Fucking show is amazing. I'm really, really glad that I decided this first note. I think I click I meant to click something else and I clicked that and I've been into it.

So yeah, amazing show. And of course it is baseball season, so been watching some Cubs games. Other than that, it's mostly been Oh God, just hanging out, listening to some music with my hubs, listening to his band play.

And that's about it for me. I've it's been a boring couple of weeks here.

Power those cubs working out for you, say, said

They're doing pretty good. They always start off a little s a little slow. They drop One of the angels actually was it?

they didn't get a hit, so that was kinda sad. Did not play well against the Nationals, but usually the opener they they kinda fell apart till everybody and with the World Baseball Classic and a lot of their players were out, two of them got hurt.

working on the pitching which looks so much better than it did last year. So hoping for a really good run out of them this year. Even went to see a preseason game in Arizona, which was a lot of fun.

Well good. I'm glad for ya. I don't know what p I don't know how baseball works.

Yeah.

Balls, strikes, and

Awesome.

Well I I always keep going back to George Carlin's thing. Everybody gets one swing. Be in out of the ballpark in fifteen minutes.

Ooh boy. Excellent watching man.

You know what? I've been under the weather lately, so I haven't been watching things as much as as much as I've been

just staring at the screen in some sort of decongestant induced haze. But I was able to comprehend enough of body cam.

I love I love the idea of people being drawn to Sorry, my lung tried to come out of my throat.

That's not how it's supposed to work. Anyway, body cam on

Body cam on shutter. I know I l I really liked it. I love the idea of people being drawn to some cryptic

evil figure and in body cam it was some thing called the underman, which oh damn what a great name that is. But it had a lot of

like Alice Cooper and the homeless brigade in John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness to it. So in Body Cam, it's cops and their families being sucked into this whole thing

on the mean streets of Canada somewhere, I can't remember where it was, but you know, you don't think of mean streets in Canada, but I'm sure they exist. I listened to Snow, so, you know.

uh a a licky boom boom down or whatever the fuck it was. But yeah, body cam has some good jump scares and some wonderful vague lore.

Or you're not quite sure what's going on, but you have enough of an idea that you're like, Oh shit, this is bad. But it ticked enough of my boxes that I can heartily recommend body cam. Listen

Listen to Failure. Listen to The Silver. Listen to Mannequin Pussy. And listen to McCluskey and keep listening to McCluskey because that band will improve your life.

Cool. Anything else, brother?

Oh God, no. Not without incredible deep thought, which I can't do right now.

Okay, stuff I watched. It's a just a handful of stuff and I don't even I'm gonna name it all. Um like Suzanne said baseball season is upon us, so you watch certain things. I watched um

I watch Bull Durham for first day of the season'cause that's what you do. And um

Is that what you do?

It's always it's always good and yeah, we've got to know. Bouldern first of the season, the sand lob fourth of July. These are things you do, actually. I don't I don't explain about it, man.

Oh my god. My sport has no seasons, so you'll freak me out.

And then I watched Major League and then I watched Major League Two for no good reason at all. But you know

One thing I didn't watch was Major League Back to the Minors and that movie's underrated in my fucking opinion. So, you know, if you guys think hey

It's a crappy, you know, d direct to video or whatever the hell it was, uh sequel. Uh go go r re change it and go watch Major League Back to the Minors'cause I really enjoy Scott Bakula and Ted McGintley and and uh

A very, very young Walton Goggins in that movie. Um I enjoy that movie. Um

Let me say this. I'm old enough to where I watched the bad news bears breaking training in the theater.

So that's as far into baseball as I get.

I enjoy that movie. It's a good sequel. Japan, not so much, but you know.

No, fucked up am but braking training? Hell yeah, that's some funny shit.

We'll we'll forgive slightly'cause it's Tony Curtis, so we'll forgive slightly. Yeah.

Yeah, well Gardwell the Pips.

What else? I I watched Send Help today'cause it was available streaming now and I didn't get to go to the theater'cause I don't go to the theater that much'cause it's expensive for me to go to the theater.

I I gotta have popcorn. That that shit's freaking pricey. Um

It's expensive for everyone to go to the theater, brev.

I love I love love loved it. You know it's a your very basic

plane crashes on an island or on Thailand. Two survivors. Um it gets twisted really fast in a wonderful Sam Raimi way. And then it gets more and more twisted and

Um I I did if I didn't love Rachel McK McAdams before, yeah, I I I'm a big fan of Mean Girls. I'm a big I'm a big hero of mean girls. But since then

Had to show me much. I'm not that guy who loves the notebook, but I knew she's capable as an actress. So if I had to pick Things, bean girls.

Uh Sherlock Holmes and part of the sequel'cause spoilers, she doesn't live to the second movie. Um and and this one, because she's fucking loco and she kills a pig and she does crazy shit and

I enjoyed Sun Help very much. The the very raiminess of it was um phenomenal. Like, oh you didn't see that was coming. I was like, we watched San Raimi films, it's it's gonna get wacky and they got it got wacky.

I really enjoyed my time with Send Help and All the things people said about it was was uh c correct in that sense.

I can't wait to watch that. I gotta wait till Cutie gets better before we can both enjoy the raiminess. But dude, I'm looking I am looking so forward to send help because Rachel McAdams in full on psycho mode just I I'll be in my bunk.

Yeah.

Now I'm looking forward to body cam. I almost watched that last night but I fell asleep.

It's so good.

Oh my god.

I know I'm gonna love it.

I I dove further into the Fritz Kirsch filmography. Uh this is a guy who I be I'm starting to love, like a Bob Clark,'cause he's done so many different things over the years and I was playing this board.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Sorry, back up. Like children of the corn Fritz K.

Yeah, he has made it

Oh yeah, bruh.

That he's made a motorbike movie for no reason at all.

He made I forget the name of the film, but it's like a girl who comes to like town and like beats the shit out of people, like one of those sexy karate girl movies, you know? He made one of those. Did she get a did?

Did he get a head on his motor back?

I don't know.

The one I watched I w I've always heard about, but I've always sold to it as like a like a West Side story kind of deal, but it got a little more darker in my opinion. I I watched Tough Turf for for the first time and And for the first time ever I watched Top Turf and uh

Oh, my.

Oh God, that was a staple when I was growing up.

Jesus Christ, how old are you?

I I am forty forty five. What?

Have you not seen Tough Turf by now? I mean, I didn't really need an answer. I'm 56 or 56. I don't know how old I am.

I'm in my 50s.

Because, you know, cameras... shooting that movie and yeah I should have saw it by now but Yeah yeah, it got real dark real fast and this is a d an odd an odd time for Spader just doing like really you know, he kinda plays a hero in this movie, but you know he

Like villain hero adjacent, like we're gonna do a whole river without a pause month and I have a feeling this should have been in it.

So maybe it might be a bonus review, I don't even know. But um he plays that rubber without a pause at a time where he's playing a lot of villains.

Uh, namely, you know, the new kids, you know, less than zero, pretty and pink, you know, pick a spade a roll around this time and he's playing the villain. Here he kinda plays kinda like the the douchebag hero of of the movie who's

Yeah.

I did enjoy Tough Turf though, uh qu quite a bit though. Again, the fr the frisk here ship it all and I I need more I need to look at more of his stuff because I had a I had a good time with this. Um

What was the name of this movie now? I mean that's um I'll tell you guys after the show'cause I don't even know.

Yeah.

Let me let me look it up real fast because I'm going to do and drive me next. This needs to be seen in my opinion.

I fell into a Robert Zidar uh Khole, if you will, because it happens and he's on many, many things. And they all play about the same in um the front title of this film right now. I can tell you he's in it.

Marshall Teague from Roadhouse and a bunch of Bitney Center Action movies is in it. Uh Chuck Connors is in it.

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Uh

White guy from Protest Project Shadow Chaser one, two, and three isn't it?

Dyed blonde buzz cut boy.

Yeah, that guy is on it and then

Bruce Leroy's Asian friend who can't do karate who does karate in this movie isn't it. Uh actor whose name I can't bring he doesn't know his name, but um that guy, if you've seen The Last Dragon, you know who I'm talking about.

We all can vision.

Uh

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

He was lil Ernie Rays Jr.'s buddy in that movie.

Oh my gosh. Okay, see y'all run the titles film right now.

But this is a film in which Chuck Connor is apparently when he was in the NAM, he he betrothed a child in Cambodia and went to get this child uh in Cambodia and brought him to live with him, but the kid has a a package

in in the form of of Jewell's that I forgot to mention his name, Henry Silva is after and h his group of thugs and of course, you know K kill Chuck Connors and it's up to the the plucky buzz cutted white boy and his new Asian brother to go

Kill people and save the day on their motorbikes and whatnot. And where is the name of this movie? Godzadar's thing is is freaking large and and fierce.

It's an orphanage in Cambodia.

Cambodian child. We're getting closer there's Frogtown too. There's Beastmaster too.

A gnome named Norm, underrated in my opinion, Train to Kill is the name of this film from nineteen eighty nine.

I watch this on my fr our friends mutual videos uh thing and uh I think it's it's it's a must see as far as as far as these kind of films go and

Yeah, it g it gets wild, as I'll say about this film. Very low budget, but it's got all these genre people in it and that should make you happy to watch Train to Kill. Um

But besides that I did watch some some some anthology TV as well'cause these things happen. I finally broke into my um masters of horror uh collection that I bought for five dollars on Fandango at home because it was both seasons for five dollars and I said why not?

So I watched the first two, uh Coscarelli's pick me up the very first episode is is Way better than I remember.

It's so good.

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Not so much her story, you know, the whole idea with the survivalist of Eth Ethan Embry, you know, going crazy, but you know you get amazing so you got an amazing killer in this movie in this one. They are little movies after all.

Uh Angus Scrim acting kooky in this thing, like kooky as fuck, like kookier than Phantasm Four, uh in this this one than

No no no that's um that's not pick me up. Pick me up is the

Oh, incident on a mountain rock.

Road.

Yeah, that's that's Joe Wandsdale. That's the one I'm thinking about.

Yeah.

Yeah. Suze is right.

Yes. And then I watched the second one which was the Lovecraft one. One of the Lovecraft ones, um Dreams of the

Which house.

'Cause I I didn't have showtime at the time, so I was limited to

Wh whatever they put on DVD and I didn't always get the ones they put on DVD all the time. So I never seen this before about a guy who moves in a rooming house.

And, you know, somehow there's noises in the wall and he's forced to take care of a baby, which, you know, a witch and her rat boy murder and it gets really strange and Yeah, I um I I enjoy both of these.

That's where I'll leave this. Master Horror's a great series with a lot of great filmmakers behind it. So if you haven't checked it out and You got I don't know, nickels that are rub together what you can get like I got for five bucks and just just uh

It's so weird. It's so weird because Dreams in the Witch House may be my favorite Lovecraft story. I love that story so much.

And they took a lot of liberties with that in Masters of Horror, but that episode is still friggin' amazing.

Oh like I said, there's up it's Lovecraft. There's so much that is up for interpretation. I mean, I don't think we'll ever see anyone even try to come close to doing anything like, you know, the colicatoulu.

But you know, it's like some of the offshoot stories are the ones that I I enjoy the most.

Yeah, that's it for me though. I w I watched I watched a handful of stuff. There's one more Zidar in there, but it wasn't as good as this one and it involved him and Ted Pryor and

I forget what it was called, but they they somebody some American rube in a missile silo l lets a nuke off and pisses off Russia, so they they pick their best Russian

Which is Robert Zidar, who's not Russian at all. Versus the the the the best American, uh, Ted Pryor. And they're just shooting each other the whole movie. It's really stupid. And you know, I I I didn't like it very much.

Yeah, but who cares? I mean if it's Robert Zidar and fucking Ted Pryor, that movie's just catechism.

Second one's nuts though. I love the second one a lot. Needs a

Cool. Yeah, that needs a Blu ray. I would love I would love to see that one day, uh a nice Vinaker syndrome edition of that movie. Um But yeah, here tonight We're uh we're doing two films.

in which, you know, lovers are influenced by each other or or together or whatever you wanna call it. Uh we're doing Pretty Poison, uh featuring Tony Perkins a and Tuesday Weld.

And we're doing Natural Born Killers featuring Woody Harrelson, Juliet Lewis, and a cast of so many people.

A film that X loves with the passion of a fire of a thousand sons and

Jesus.

Fuck I do not know.

But we're gonna kick it off with Pretty Poison right after this trailer.

Here come, Dennis.

Dirty poison.

Dear Dennis, clean cut, hardworking, the boy next door.

Give me two weeks. Two weeks to keep my nose clean. Dennis! Look, we're talking about my life, Mr. Asno. We're talking about one one.

And sweet Sue Ann.

Real.

All American Dom.

I hit him twice.

He started to get down and then I bocked him on the side of the head.

Together, they share the joys of being young.

They're just a couple of crazy loving homicidal kids in Pretty Poison.

This is pretty poison from nineteen sixty eight. Your cheap O IMD plot synopsis is when a mentally disturbed young man tells a pretty girl that he's a secret agent and believes him I mean she believes him, murder and may have ensue.

Yeah, I I I guess uh we'll we'll talk about this though. Uh this this film is directed by a guy called Noel Black who didn't do a direct a whole lot except for the remake of of Pretty Poison that came out some other time. I don't know. Um

Exactly. Stephen Geller is the writer, along with um the the godfather of the nineteen sixties Batman series and and and the Green Hornet.

And helped write the Flash Gordon movie. So he's pretty big on my book. Lorenzo Semple Jr. uh co writer.

Stephen Geller, so

Um stars Anthony Perkins. Uh, you know from Psycho the Tin Spur and many other things, uh, as Dennis Pitt.

Uh Tuesday Weld, a b baby in this fucking movie, is is Sue Ann Stepanek. Um Beverly Garland is mom, Mrs. Stepanek, who's one of my favorite characters in this whole film because she's the only about the only real person in this whole film. We'll talk about that though.

Uh, John Randolph, Mr. Griswold himself as as Morden as an hour, I forget his name. The g the guy he's his he's basically his parole officer.

Um w we'll we'll stop there, I think. Unless you got some other p people know you'd like to mention X.

No, go ahead. Do the thing.

Okay. All right, um

I enjoyed this is a first time watch. Um I will I will say that this gets uh like a fucking matter is a seven IRIM to be be rating, like I care about that and the fucking rotten tomatoes too at the same time.

Um I'll kick it to Suzanne first. Uh what do you think of pretty poison, Sue?

I'll be honest, I

I thought very little of it. I mean, I understand the time, but the entire movie you can just you just see everything coming.

She is right out of the gate.

a manipulator. He just seems like a like I said, he he in a state of arrested development'cause he spent time in prison.

And it's just all he sees is this pretty girl that he wants to impress by faking being a secret agent.

Okay, no harm, no foul, other than the age discrepancy, but you know, it was a different time, it was a different age.

But you could I I just think everything

So very transparent in this movie. All of her manipulations when they were at the place that he worked and he was just trying to set something up.

And she had immediately no issues hurting anybody.

She used her well, my mother's miserable excuse.

She had every excuse in the book, batted her eyes, and of course everybody falls into line. Except her mother, who seemed to have figured out long ago what kind of a person she was.

And I just my big issue I'm I'm just used to Anthony Perkins playing a certain type of role.

Yeah.

And seeing him in this role is the you know, socially awkward, arrested development guy who's, you know, just attracted this really pretty cheerleader and the way she just goes to work on him.

I just I find it uncomfortable. I mean I don't I don't hate this movie outright at all. I just it's one of those movies I look at and I know everybody went on to do maybe better things.

But it maybe ha with you know more adept hands it could have been a little bit more.

But I mean you can just my like I said, my main issue with this is you can see where everything is going.

From beginning to end and the fact that he just basically fell on his sword, spoilers.

After she did all of this, but once again, all she does, she's pretty. She bats her eyes, and everybody's like, Oh, poor little Sue Ann.

Oh, this is so bad. And this happened to her, and this happened to her, which you know she set it all up.

And these people in the ending is like, okay, yeah. The funny thing is though, you can tell that his parole officer is kind of He knows something is not quite right.

Oh, we he he's got kind of a fondness for Dennis.

He knows he was a stupid kid who made a stupid mistake and is seeing him continue to make stupid mistakes.

But you just can't he he doesn't see it himself. So I really didn't have a lot of sympathy for him. I really didn't have any sympathy for anybody in this movie except for the parole officer.

I mean it's it I it is a product of its time. Anybody but Anthony Perkins really'cause he went through that little spate of rom coms in that era that he was so ill suited for.

And this one just kind of

I i it's a lot better than it has any right being. It could be better.

And it just for me it's just it's really, really just Men.

Although Tuesday Weld was really, really good as the manipulator, she really played that incredibly well. I think she I honestly I think that was the best performance in the film.

But it's like I said just kinda mid

Cool ex

I'm here. Sorry. I'm trying to clean up my own mess over here. Um

Ha ha ha ha.

Oh this movie, Jesus H Christ.

I wish the studio would have allowed someone besides Anthony Perker to be the male lead of this movie.

This was his first movie after So his Norman Bates

Yeah.

Prepped the public

for the character of Dennis Pitt. And it's just too on the nose. Here comes Tony Perkins. He must be a

Oh crazy.

he got and his weird stories about being a secret a secret agent. I'm sorry, I'm hiccuping God damn, this is gonna be a hill.

Damn.

Look, I still have a chest congestion. It's fun. Listen.

Yeah!

Um

Are we supposed to believe that

His weird stories about being a secret agent. Should we believe him when he says that?

Or are we just watching an incredibly clever gaslighter worming his way into a high school student's pants? Maybe not even that. Maybe he's just I don't know, some perversely innocent star child.

who is corrupted by Suanne Stepanek, the ruthless and amoral valedictorian of her class. She's like the sixties version of Tracy Flick. So it's hard to get a bead on the characters when they're both mentally unwell.

I mean, at least one storyteller in a movie has to be

reliable, right? I mean, even Stacey Keach was the eyes of the audience in the ninth configuration. He was the stable one, and he was as wacky as everybody else in the castle.

The age gap romance in Pretty Poison makes it difficult to watch.

That scene where Dennis and Suanne have illicit acid fueled sex in the woods when Suanne says, Oh, the moon is acting funny. Oh my god, that is so cringe.

But I love how after they finish having sex, Su Lan says, When are we going to do something exciting?

Like, bitch, we just got super high and did a fuck. What do you want? What do you want from me?

I think it could be argued that the underlying point of pretty poison, besides, you know, don't trust pretty girls who want you to kill their mothers, is that some people with mental illness can be cured.

if they interact with another person with a mental illness that exhibits stronger

Symptoms. So sure, I mean Dennis told wild stories about being a member of a secret CIA program.

But Su An killed a night watchman, stole his gun, and positioned his body so that his death would look like an accident.

After that after that, Dennis realized that her particular b brand of crazy was greater than his

wise. So did that quote unquote heal him?

He chose to go to prison.

just to get away from Sue Ann and believe me, I can empathize with that. I've been in relationships where going to prison uh for a long time seemed like a real

Really?

But It still feels like a strange arc for Dennis to go from being a pathological liar and arsonist to being a happy prisoner back in the penal system and seemingly nervous.

All right.

Normal. I know I'm not using the right mental health terms for this, but I don't know them, so please forgive me. And what is the point of the end where the fugitive

Where the parole officer is watching Sue Ann at the end with Ken Kircheville, her later who later got a main role on Dallas. He was Cliff Barnes.

They had lunch and they walked away. What is the fucking cop gonna do about that?

There's nothing illegal about eating and walking. He can't arrest her for that. It doesn't provide a strong enough resolution to And then it implies that a lot more people are gonna die

Jesus.

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Yeah.

Three, two, goddamn It implies that a lot more people are gonna die because of Suanne's twisted view of affection.

and loyalty. So no, I don't like this movie. There are a lot of things about this movie I don't like. I can't even take it as satire. It's just It's just...

Uh it hurts?

Is that the best way to put it? It hurts. Anyway, yeah, that's my thought about pretty pleasant.

No, I agree with a lot that you said. But for me it's like it it just seemed like the parole officer was the only one who who had any clue whatsoever about Her character from what he saw from Daddy.

It's not like he's gonna save anybody's life.

I was gonna say, what's he gonna do? Nothing. Nothing she did was illegal.

Yeah.

Oh boy. Yeah, much much like Dennis, you know, I have a I have an erection for Susas and girls that erect hats too. I'm just gonna throw it out there. It just um

I don't chase uh y young tail like this, but you know, in this film he he really does and yeah, that's that's um it spells trouble or or spell it out like like Travis Tritt there, but um I uh

I I I I like this okay for the first time ever. You know, i like you guys said that the age gap in there does make it quite uncomfortable because she's supposed to be like

Did she say she's eighteen? I I can't recall, but she's at least she's at least seventeen and she's

said it but I don't think she was telling the truth.

Yeah, I couldn't tell the truth about much of this movie. But um yeah, that part about it can keep me very uncomfortable and

I...

Suzanne mentioned Tony being in a lot of

Romantic comedies around this time pro probably to, you know to to mask his own sexuality, to to play, you know, a straight man in so many things when deep down inside he was not a straight man. Um

There's parts about this I really enjoy. I really enjoy The the the Mrs. Stephenick I I like I like her role because she's the only one in the film that uh really knows what's going on most of the time.

Except for the fact that her own daughter is see, no I'm fucking hacking up shit now. Her own daughter is fucking that loco to the fact where she would steal a gun and she'd fucking murder her own mother. Um

That happens in this movie. Spoilers maybe seemed pretty poison. But, you know, th there was a whole whole resolution for her to Either run em o run em a run em run away with him or, you know, fuck him over with you.

I... imagine the part where the she did she they're at their job and they kill the night watchman and she's she she's hiding the body, you know, ba basically in the right place and

This should have been a red flag to him this is like a series of red flags this movie. Like wow like this girl's done support. Yeah. She she may have murdered somebody before and then they had to find a place to hide the body because she knew exactly where

Yeah, the slurry comes out uh of whoever the fuck factory is working at and

I my mother worked for dry cleaners for a lot of years and used to dump those chemicals right down the sewer so when I see that red shit in the water I was like, Yeah, this is all too familiar to me. This fucking chemical is just going into fucking water, you know.

A PO in this film, yeah, that uh I guess the hero of this film, because you get another one that doesn't that knows what's going on the whole time but he can't do anything about it'cause

He's trying to keep you know, the this kid who who who had bad break you know, s set the house on fire not knowing there was somebody inside, so obviously there's arson and murder. So he goes away until, you know, he gets out and then

It's a job this place and you know ch chasing tail and you know just

blonde young pussy who gets get you get ya you know in trouble every time i in this sense and she's quite the temptress and but you know there's other films like this have done this better. This had a lot of um

Kitten with a whip vibes to me. I enjoy that film quite a bit with with Anne Margaret and sh but she she was a lot more Like and and but more self assured and much more man manipulative in that movie than than this girl ever was, but

If she'd been a redhead, I would have understood it more, but that's just me.

Right.

No, come on, this was like the era of Rod Stewart and Blondes Have More Fun.

But yeah, th this this w it wasn't bad, it just i it was a lot of um

A a lot of stuff that was well written but just not just not right, i in my opinion too. It just um

It fits the motif of the show. So w we'll we'll go with that, you know.

No, I just think maybe with a more adept hand it might have been better.

Might have.

Well like what good like noir stuff like this that they they they they were going for?

I'm I'm I don't I can't s they were definitely not going for noir. They were I don't really It came off kind of half as an after school special and half TV ABC movie of the week.

It tried some stuff. Um I I will admit that and I I don't wanna leave too much here'cause it's there's it up on the table for people to actually go watch this and I think um

Again, I think that they they regarded this as one of Tuesday Weld's best performances. I will agree she played this

And I I love the idea of the smoldering temptress, you know. Not so much the jail grade angle of it, but you know, the whole idea of, you know, the the woman manipulating the man and doing things. It just

There was a lot of the opposite of that this time. So the fact they have this here and I mentioned Kitten with a whip with Anne Margaret. It's another one of those, you know, women who's the smoldering temptress who manipulates a man any way she can.

This one, you know, he thought he had the upper hand the whole time saying, Hey, you know, we're doing some secret agentship or for some reason that's in this movie and she gets really excited about it or or she does it or she plays along to to get what she wants, which is

obviously fucking matricide when she saw the first opportunity. E but um'cause her mother's very controlling, like I said, very very good role for this woman. Um I don't the the the jail bit angle uh r really really hurts your enjoyment of a film like this.

It's uncomfortable and not in a good way.

Yeah

Oh boy. X anything else you want to say about the film?

Yeah, he ain't Romeo and she ain't Juliet. This movie is based on a book called She Let Him Continue. They should have stopped.

Wow.

No, I mean, what the fuck else do I have to say? Shit!

Yeah.

No, I'm pretty much gonna let X have the mic drop on this one. That was perfect.

Yeah, I said all I'm gonna say is positive about this film and negative about this film too. It's it's there. Um

Streaming places. You can you can buy it on Prime and all that stuff, um, if you want to. Um Nineteen sixty eight Pretty Poison. Go uh

Check it out if you don't want to f you want to watch a film where Tony Perkins doesn't play doesn't play Norman Bates, but sort of plays Norman Bates'cause he kinda plays the same guy. Um Yeah. We'll leave it at that.

Uh next up a film, like I said, X has things to say about. Uh Oliver Stone directed For some reason four writers written, including QT, natural born killers after the break.

Amen.

Wall Street. Born on the 4th of July. JFK.

Oliver Stone's vision Has changed the way we saw our past.

Now, he takes a look at where we are.

And where we're going.

And you will be shocked.

Thank you.

Amen.

Feared by thousands.

We're fighting.

Can't stop fake nobody can It's kinda like the twilight dome or something.

Woody Harrelson, Juliet Lewis, Robert Downey Jr., and Tommy Lee Jones.

What do you have to say to you?

your fans!

We ain't seen nothing yet.

National born killers.

media circus of life. They were the main attraction.

Natural Born Killers from nineteen ninety four uh rated R for for the for all the beautiful children. I think I watched the unrated cut, but I don't know the difference, I really don't care. Uh

This is a plot synopsis, doesn't make any sense. Two victims of traumatized childhoods become lovers and psycho and psychopathic serial murderers irresponsibly glorified by the mass media.

They've been doing this for a long time, but yeah, there you go. Uh directed by Oliver Stone. Written by one Quentin Tarantino. You guys know that guy. That guy makes stuff and rips people off and that's fine. Uh David Villows, who who uh biggest fan of the band that I saw

was Behind Enemy Lines, which is a film that I enjoy with um Owen Wilson and Gene Hackman.

And uh Richard Ratowski, who worked on the film Freeway, which should tell you a lot about this film, because Freeway's a little fucked up too. Um

This stars a lot of folks that you know. Uh Woody Harrell says Mickey. Juliet Lewis is Mallory Oh who else we get

Downey Jr.

Yeah, Robert Downey Jr. shows up in this film as Wayne Gale. Tommy Lee Jones shows up as the warden.

Lots of names. Tom Sizemore is Jack Skagnetti. Uh

Edie McClerk shows up in this film, yes, and Rodney Dangerfield as as Mallory's parents, uh w one of the banner gross parts of this fucking film. But there's a lot of folks in this movie, I'm sure we'll talk about a lot more of them.

Including uh speaking immediately, James Gammon in the opening of this film, uh, getting a beer and getting murdered. So there's that. Uh

Better soundtrack than a movie. I'll I'll start my interview right there because uh it just is But um X said he wants to go first on this, so I'm gonna say X

Please

Go ahead, Osmar. Go ahead, Osmar.

All right. Listen.

Natural Born Killers is an overwhelming movie to me, especially because I don't think there's a single fucking choice in this movie that I agree with.

Except maybe the casting.

It is a movie that I only return to when I am specifically asked

I do not seek it out. I do not watch it for a background noise. I am finally remain where it is, as an anax anachronistic

example of the nineteen nineties. See, it doesn't fit into the nineties, and I will explain that here in a second. Stylistically,

Natural born killers is all over the place. There's more weird projection than a fucking Hitchcock movie.

There's our gentle lighting.

Green.

In red.

And then suddenly everything is in black and white.

I don't get it. There's flashbacks that show up under the guise of sitcoms, like the Isle of Mallory segment, or they are projected onto the walls of the sets. Subliminal kind of

Like when we see a bald eagle on a hotel wall and we're supposed to think, Oh, this is America It's the equivalent of Oliver Stone, the director. It's it's it's it's his h it's him holding a A mirror to the camera so we can all get a good look at ourselves.

This is a movie without nuance, which is a total miss for a movie that pretends to be a social commentary.

There's only one point of view and that's stones. And he makes it in a way that is so cartoonish that it can't be taken seriously. Look at the supporting characters.

all of the despicable and cruel. Robert Downey Jr. as an Australian hosting an American crime reality show. This is the second worst affected accent.

by an actor, topped only by Jody Foster's constant Elvis impersonation during the Silence of the Lambs.

He doesn't give a tinker's damn about the chaos that Mickey and Mallory have caused. He only wants the ratings.

Look at Tom Sizemore's Detective Jack Scagdetti character and thank the gods that he's not wearing that fucking blonde wig from Strange Days. He is a sleeve ball who likes to murder sex workers.

Look at Warden Twilight McCluskey played by Tommy Lee Jones.

going as over the top as he can, which is not much'cause it's Tommy T. Jones. But he's chopping a cigar and he's screaming at the inmates and the staff and his hair is just this pomaded Pincushion of despair, and he suggests that Mickey and Mallory be murdered during their transfer.

and he's got exaggerated movements and dialects, and it's all to hammer home the concept that Mickey and Mallory are certainly not as bad as these people although they left a trail of more than fifty bodies across the Ephan Desert,

So Stone's scale of justice does not balance out, and I'm okay with that.

Because things don't always end nicely.

There's not always a cute little bow on everything. But there's not a single redeeming goddamn quality about any of the main characters. I would even argue that Mickey and Mallory are not in love.

They're just trauma bonded. And there's a huge difference between those two. So when people talk about natural born killers being one of the best 1990s movies, I Disagree.

See, in my opinion, the nineties were a natural backlash against that neon hair gel hyperware of the nineteen eighties. The nineties demanded authenticity.

All the artifice was stripped away. So the garbled style of natural born killers makes it an anomaly for the decade.

colour shifts, the lack of deep thought, The overt symbolism and the absolute ham fisted lack of story grounding make natural born killers as annoying as being trapped in a technicolored daycare.

The walls glow. There are amateurest pictures on the cork board and you might accidentally sit in a pile of spilled spaghetti. It's not my nine.

Seven is my nine smoothie. I asked Cutie Burger.

Her nineties movie is the crow, and sure, that's the godfather of that kind of film, but it's still grounded in its own reality, its own universe, even when Eric Draven comes back from the grave.

You get it. It's believable.

If there is a point to natural born killers.

It is buried and obfuscated by Oliver Stone's desire to play with his own shit and finger paint it all over the walls.

Even if it's partially based on true events, there is not a single fucking second of natural born killers that I can believe in. It is simplistic.

When it attempts to be deep, it is more fantasia sorry two, three, it is more fantasia than in cold blood, and overall it's a glossy and stylistic.

mess. It is Jack Mac and Radboy Go with real humans and a shittier ending. And if you don't know what Jack Mac and Radboy Go is, get the fuck off my lawn.

Uh

There for you.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

Suzy Suze, uh your thoughts?

Oh okay. Honestly, it's like there are certain phrases and things that I pulled out'cause I've this is like my third watch of it because The first time I saw it, it was like, oh yeah, there's uh Oliver Stone with pounding me across the face and neck with his simplistically stupid message.

And I could spend an hour talking about the soundtrack'cause that is the best part of this movie.

But let me just break down just a few things to add on to X because you said a lot of the things that I was thinking.

Last night when I I watched it twice just to make sure.

Sure.

So there's my second and third watching because the first time I watched it, for me it wasn't even candy. There was nothing it it didn't.

taste good and be bad for me. It was just it was like Limburger cheese. It smelled bad and tasted equally as bad.

I know that this point in the nineties, oh by the way, I'm gonna slide this in for what it's worth. My nineties movie is The Usual Suspects.

I found the whole

Okay, I'll get behind that.

The whole he's trying to do satire poorly.

He's trying'cause I know it this was, you know, the nineties. It was Jerry Springer and Jetty Jones.

And all of that chaotic, frenzied, you know, looking into everybody else's life. But the bottom line

It is.

And once again, I'm gonna you know cover what X said. There's no redeeming quality whatsoever. Every character is such A carrot.

caricature of the worst possible thing you can think of.

You know, for personally I think the the casting is brilliant.

I really had a hard time because I actually do like Robert Downey Jr. playing that role.

He was and then when he just has this breakdown during the filming and just goes full on fucking Rambo.

It was ridiculous.

Everything about this is ridiculous. I mean I in a way I can see maybe a little bit the precursor to everything is screens now. Everybody's got a a screen in front of them. It's like I'm living in zombie land.

But it was it was all of these projected images of the snakes. And I like snakes.

But I know he's trying to use the snakes is are are are they the good? Are they the evil? Who's good? Who's evil? Everybody's fucking bad.

I don't I've never cared for this movie. I'm not a huge fan of Oliver Stone. Because I don't like

Oh, me too neither, honey. Damn.

I I swear to God, I just he he's accidentally brilliant because I do I really like

Uh platoon. But once again, you get into the same thing. The ham fistedness. I really like the people versus Larry Flint.

But I still once again you just get beat up by what he thinks.

the world is maybe maybe not even what the world is about, but the way that he wants you to perceive his world. As you said, you know, shit painting all over the wall.

I just don't I I I don't know how this was some kind of, you know, temperature gauge for the nineties'cause it was so not ninety.

It was n we like I said, we had the fucking huge upswing of the reality TV.

And what I don't like is okay, afternoons for me sometimes are serial killer documentaries.

And the one thing that I alwa th that stuck with me on something I watched about the Hillside Stranglers. Everybody remembers the names of the killers, but never the names of the victims.

Well unfortunately the victims in this case Is the audience?

Who sat through this and paid for it?

Jesus fuck Seuss, you are so right.

And but the soundtrack is amazing. The fucking soundtrack is the best thing.

So, skip the movie, listen to the music.

Hope you like Leonard Cohen.

Now cowboy junkies.

Oh nine inch nails.

Oh, come on, I can listen to back and baby's arms and Uh the whole soundtrack is f just it L seven.

No, fuck that. I'm a nine inch snails boy. Give me that warm place in the weirdest spot in the movie possible.

No, it just didn't fail.

It so did infect.

Did fit.

Hey!

That's it.

Did oh my god. Are we gonna fight? I will drive to Michigan or where the fuck you are and I will punch you in the I will punch you in the tip.

Yeah.

I just there I it's the soundtrack I think because I just have such strong feelings.

about Nine Inch Nails and the movie, that because the song is so g well, Nine Inch Nails is so good and the movie is so bad, for me it's like I automatically feel like I'm being booted out of a chatroom.

You know what, I get that, but you have to remember that the person who wrote the story for this movie was Quentin Tarantino.

And he later disowned this movie because it made him upset. Motherfucker, go shrimp somewhere and talk to me about this fucking movie. Ugh.

Oh God, I I agree. Because Quentin I I I do love Quentin Tarantino. Fuck it, I just do. But

That's fine.

I don't

I can see where the idea And the thought along the way got completely blacked out by Oliver Stone's like self-righteousness.

I like one Oliver Stone movie. One. And that is the Doors. And I apologize for that.

That's...

It's the only movie I can watch by Oliver Stone that makes me

feel okay about I don't know, liking him. But everything else he's ever made, Platoon, Salvador, I don't care. I want him to go by.

Hi Gary, how you doing?

Yeah, cool. You wanna talk about this movie?

Sure, I'll talk about this movie. No, I I I I like it okay, but probably for all the wrong reasons, but like you guys said the soundtrack really fuels this thing and this probably what blinds my my my my thoughts for a lot of you know what I watch.

I on the other hand, um I I'm not big on Oliver Stone he's ever done except for, you know, this is a guy who's

W one thirds of the guy that brought me coming the barbarian. So yeah, I I'm I'm biased in that sense for Oliver Stone that he

You've got your millius and your stone confused. It's like a Reese's peanut butter cup.

Well he re Oliver Stone wrote it though.

Or health right, uh Conan.

Yeah, but I mean, yeah.

He didn't direct it though, obviously. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly.

But you know, they just have a conversation about Jean Million.

Misogyny incarnate as John Millius, but w whatever it is. Uh which you know, is this film is full of that. Uh m misogyny and over misogyny.

Uh, to to the point, you know, where they have Rodney Dangerfield in this film during the I Love Mallory segment.

And he says what he says, which is which is totally unscripted for him. But at the same time the I whole idea of it made him blush. So you make Rodney Rodney Dangerpeel blush, you know, a guy who would

do interviews with people wearing a robe and nothing else, like the no no underwear or nothing, then you know, y you know you you uh you've done something. And um you be Rodney blush. Um

Like I said, it's not it's not the actors. The actors in the film are playing the roles pretty well. I would say this is You know, even w with Batman Batman Forever and Toe, this is probably the most comic book that Tommy Lee Jones has ever been.

That was so dick crazy.

Supervillain craziness he is in this fucking movie and Just screaming and stuff and, you know, yelling.

But y yeah, the whole idea of it is like, you know, this is the worst part of us, yada yada yada. It just is a new thing. I mean they they they they they heralded serial killers in the seventies and it wasn't

really a a a huge deal to where, you know, people were wearing Manson T shirts walking around the streets and people that did didn't didn't care. They just wore'em anyway and

The whole idea that you have this whole media scrum now, which I I hope they don't have to get this idea to say, Hey, let's remake this now and we'll we'll make it social media based because

That's that's coming, I'm sure. That's to be a remake of something like this and it'll be more social media than, you know, television media'cause

They really lay hit at home when they show Rodney King at the end of this thing and some other shit at the end of this thing and just say, Just in case you didn't get what we were going for, here it is. D do you get it now? Yeah, we get it. O. J. and Rodney King and

Blah blah blah blah blah. People like to watch fucked up things on television. Okay?

I I will say, you know, when when nine eleven happened, I can tell you what I was doing. I was at home and when work was done for the day and I was watching Jerry Springer and then the towers fell.

But what was I what was they doing before that happened? I was watching Jerry Springer, like a fucking normal fucking brain dead fucking American that wanted to watch a fucking KKK Thanksgiving.

D don't don't ask you why is on television people I always say that people will watch public executions if they televise them. They're not wrong about this. People love chaos, people love stupidity.

And this is chaos and stupidity and current it, you know, throughout the entire film. Again, I'll say it again, n n not not not bad performances and especially with your two leads, um, Woody Harrelson and and Juliet Lewis. I I really

I really liked them as actor and actress in this in i in this film, but you know, they they're they're just playing

They're playing the role they were given and you know I can't say that that role is good or that role that's not to say is it good and moral? No,'cause you know you know what they're about. It's just The way they they they glorify it in this film is like, yeah, it's not

It's not really helping anybody but to to inflate the director's ego. And that's we have a problem with stuff like this and everything X i says it's kinda like

It's kinda like the the Scott Pilgrim arg uh argument I had with um w with John Cross at one time. Everything you're saying is correct, but I still enjoy it quite a bit. And this film I enjoy about

as a whole, honestly, about a quarter of it. You know, sprinkled throughout the film. I enjoy aspects of it. And one of the big things is the soundtrack, like you guys said, and It really fuels this movie and

I just never been an Oliver Stone guy, you know, for a lot of the reasons that happened in this movie. You know, the the the over saturation of any subject matter that he gets into every freaking time and

I'm not really here for that to be preached at and this film in a sense is very preachy i in the sense of, you know, people are bad.

pe people are are disgusting and then you know you guys are glorifying these people in in the media and and

now social media, you know, don't don't speak the beast's name or else the beast won't come out as much in my opinion. But people still speak the beast's name constantly, no matter what beast it is, today they're after. Um They finally shut down the supreme court and i think in illinois

finally decided that, you know, behavior conversion therap therapy am amongst the church, you know, churning gay kids not so gay.

It's finally a bad thing, but this is still a thing in the thirty states, so I'm I'm laying my political thing on the shoulder that maybe the church can go fuck off in these thirty states and the other the the they need to get it together for these other thirty states because

that is child abuse and it exists, unfortunately in real life.

These people exist in real life and in this movie just not as cartoony as they make'em in this movie.

I love you. I love you for that, bruv. I live in Tennessee. I mean Gay people are

Anathema, just fucking the devil. So yeah, I love you for saying that. Thank you so much.

Yeah, you're welcome, brother. I I mean that I mean all the words'cause you know, we all have people that that are that way and

I I'm sorry if you have a chosen deity. Um you know I don't think you watch me the haple, im in my opinion. Although I'm not gonna go where you go to to go to church. So, you know, if you don't like that, um

Turn the dial right now or churn off your your your chosen streamer right now. If you don't like what I just said, just uh I I don't need ya. I don't need ya at all. You know

Yeah.

Yep. God damn. Strong point.

I've never been able to wrap my head around the fact that

Why can't people just be who they want to be? Why does it everything have to fit into like a nice little box? If you feel this way about a certain jender, good for you and

I I don't really care, but if you can actually find another human being to love, it doesn't matter what sex they are, then you are ahead of the game.

Yeah, but this film was is

If you find love at all, you're ahead of a game.

Absolutely.

This film was a hole though, it was not crap though. I I I I enjoy

M my time with it every once in a while is kinda like the Wolf of Wall Street. D to where I could say Martin Scorsese made made it made a decent film.

But you know, the misogynistic feel of the film, you gotta like wash it up your body and then maybe watch it ten years later because it's it's that thick.

The the the filth of this film is that thick to say, you know what, maybe I might need a shower after this But maybe I might watch it ten years later to say, uh okay, I I watched it again and you know what?

I I maybe another ten years I'll watch it again or maybe I'll wait twenty years to watch it again. I can't say that you know, it's the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. I've seen worse worse things in this movie, obviously. It's just

It's just it's it's it's filth incarnate and not in a good John Waters way. This is this is the other kind of filth.

Oh good Lord. If Woody Harrelson had eaten dog shit off the sidewalk, that would have been something else altogether.

Right. But you're right. You're right, Gary. Because

Um, this is a thing that you need to watch like every ten years to see if your views have changed on it. And I've watched it. I think every decade since it come out, maybe more, but It doesn't.

Hit.

with me. My viewpoints have not changed enough to make this movie correct. If if that makes sense. Just

No. Fuck you. There's a there's a serious There's a conservative bent to natural born killers and It doesn't want to admit that it has a conservative bent, but it's totally there.

Maybe I should try to explain more.

That's okay.

Yeah, I don't know if I can right now, but it's like the conservative bend is oh.

killers are bad people. But these other people who got in their way And they were just horrible.

They were victims. And I don't believe that to be true at all.

Anyway, oh god, I hate this fucking movie but

Every

Every fiber of my being.

Soosy Soos, you got anything else to say, girl?

No, I mean I just even watching it again, I was trying to watch it with maybe possibly a little bit more of an open mind than the prior viewings.

I just can't stand getting someone else's completely misguided message slapped about.

I can't stand I mean, once again, the problem with this movie, the the the casting is fucking phenomenal.

It's flawless.

It is and It's a n it's just not i it's i and as you said, there's really no through story.

There's nothing.

It's just garbled, you know, it's basically Oliver Stone pressing his screens in your face so you see what he wants to see and not.

make your own judgment on what is presented.

Zero nuance.

Exactly.

There's no and once again, as I said, there are some movies I look at as popcorn movies that there's really no nutritional content, but it's still enjoyable.

Like I said, this one for me is like eating licorice.

just does nothing for me and it tastes terrible. I've just always had issues with this movie and I'm glad I got to lay out a lot of my thoughts about it.

My wife really likes this movie, but again, it's not our nineties movie. My final word on natural born killers is watch bad lands instead.

Do you know I actually wrote that on the bottom of my page.

Badlands is a better movie.

I'm trying to think of my nineties movie because I I basically grew up in the nineties as far as like my my adolescence goes and

I don't know what that would be. There's there's a lot of'em out there.

I don't even know.

Tanker will be up there.

Hackers would be up there. You know, and nothing socio political about those movies at all. I just um

I've never seen hackers and I'm

Which is fine.

I've I've just recently gotten shit for never having seen Hackers.

One day X we'll talk about the majesty of fucking

Sneaker.

Oh okay.

I haven't seen that either.

I think that would be a great one.

Sneakers is a film that has a lot of people in it.

I just don't enjoy those d that that soup together, okay?

Oh my God, Gary

It's like somebody put too much salt in that that beef stew and I'm not

No. We'll talk about sneakers another day though, but um that's the end of this one.

We'll be right back with'cause I forgot X has a beef and after these words of my wisdom right right now.

You will hear the words of one wisdom. Mr. DJ Golden Brown with his top five right after this.

Greetings cinema lovers. It's that time again for a little musical moment, top five countdown from your boy Golden Brown here in Los Angeles, California. Uh today's topic.

His songs about charming boys you wouldn't bring home to mom.

All right, let's get into it. Once again, shout out to Beefy Gary for having me tune in and drop some music moments on ya. Thank you, Gary. Here we go.

Gonna start with number five. Really old school track, but a damn good one. He's a tramp by Peggy Lee. He's a tramp. What a dog, what a dog. He breaks a new heart every day.

Nothing like Peggy Lee telling ya about this man that is nothing but a dog. A dog, a tramp. Peggy Lee, he's a tramp. That is our number five.

Number 4. Some rockin' tune here. Joan Jet. I hate myself for loving you. Joan telling you like it is straight up.

She can't stand the fact that she adores ya so much. She loves ya and she's letting ya know.

Great, great song by Joan Jett. Always loved this jam for many years and uh if you don't know it, you gotta go check it out'cause it's a good one.

Number three. Self esteem by the offspring, Nothing nothing better than the offspring coming in hot and talking about the low self-esteem that the singer has or that any of us can relate to.

Believe this track came out in the nineties during the kind of alt rock punk rock kind of takeover and uh just a good one all around Rock and Jam, the Offsprings self esteem.

Number two is gonna go we're gonna go with uh Fleawood Mac.

Silver Springs. Different kind of tone here, but uh still c on the same subject. Uh talking about uh

How she's such a fool and uh if you the voice the sound of the voice will haunt you. It's just a great song by Fleetwood Mac, Silver Springs, classic, classic Fleetwood Mac song.

definitely fits into our category today. And my number one is gonna go with a little R and B a newer R and B song, Rihanna's Stay, talking about how the relationship is just Basically toxic.

And she's gonna stay with ya.

But uh you know

That uh you would not want to bring this person home to meet the family. So a little different perspective, but uh same kind of vibe, and that is my number one Rihanna stay. So let's reverse.

Number five I had Peggy Lee, he's a tramp.

Number four, Joan Jett I hate myself for loving you. Number three, the offspring with self esteem.

Number two, Fleetwood Mac, Silver Springs, And number one.

Rihanna with stay.

So a little diversity in our top five today. I like that. And uh that is it. I'm Golden Brown.

And that is my musical moment for this week. Thanks again to everybody out at Cinema Beef.

the podcast and uh thanks everybody for tuning in and supporting it.

I appreciate you guys having me on. Once again, I'm Golden Brown. You can find me on social media as Golden Brown Mundo. It's G-O-L-D-N-M-U-N-D-O.

on IG or you can catch me at eighty-eight point nine FM Radio out of Los Angeles.

I'm also on the radio on the web at KXLU dot or G. And that's it. Have a great one everybody. Thanks again and enjoy those.

Flicks.

And we're back and we're gonna close out the show here. Uh after we say our goodbyes, X has something very special and I'm sure it's a very great message with uh a beef that I forgot about. So if you got a beef dude lay it on us.

My only beef this week was getting sick, and it really settled in on Sunday, just this large mass.

of chest congestion, so breathing sucked, and coughing wasn't productive. And you've all been there, so you know what I'm talking about. But

And you know what that looginess you get from Dayquill and stuff does to you. So I've been in a daze, but my big question is this.

Why can't I keep that sexy, deep, sick voice when I'm well?

I am a grown ass man, and my voice still squeaks like Peter Brady after he got one armpit hair. I want a sound

like Sam Elliott with a Tennessee accent instead of a Texas draw. I think that would make me more interesting as a human being. And maybe, just maybe

Smarter. Look, I don't want to code switch because that diminishes me as an authentic person, but a deeper tone.

Would be awesome. I wanna call my wife Darlin and have her know that I mean it.

When your voice has changed it's time to rearrange.

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Oh boy. Um yeah. This was good. Uh next one's gonna be bigger, um if you guys can believe that,'cause we have at least three more guests for this show and I'm I'm looking forward to all of this.

We need Jesus guards.

Mike Merriman who is uh out hunting vampires with his children in Santa Clara right now. Um

We'll be back on the show. Excited about this too. Um our friend Mr. Venom, Jerry Cortez, uh we've we'll be on this episode. And m my brother from Britain who lives in Pennsylvania.

Um, Mr. John Cross w w will be here as well.

For a show, um what is it called though? I forget now.

I have to go back to the chat here and find out.

But I'm fucking I can tell you every film I've done since

It y you know, but I can tell you you know, the name of all these fucking shows that that'cause m that my wittiness comes up with, you know. But um yeah, we're doing two films that about

people trying to make it big, uh are going to find Hollywood on the road. That being the Muppet movie and Jan Son of Bob strike back. Uh two films that are very close to me in in a lot of ways. Um

Jesus, I thought we were doing the apple. Thank God you're not.

I've done the apple already with um.

Wow.

And and Lady Lee and you know what I I was expecting her to hate that movie but um she she actually quite enjoyed it so there there's that you know it's Oh gosh.

I forget the title of the film, but yeah, before that comes out this Saturday, me and uh another member of the Beef family, Derek Bourgeois

are are gonna be joining um a guy who I do all these cannon shows with, uh Mr. Lee Russell. It is his birthday this Saturday, so what what better way to spend it than to do a beep out of the cannon episode

And title Resorting to Shenanigans where we do Hot Resort and Hot Chili, which are two canon films about horny people at fucking resorts. And and you know what?

Dan Schneider, as problematic as he is, all over the goddamn place in one of these fucking films and

Robert Zidar, we mentioned him. He sh he shows up in hot chili, I believe, so I I think uh these are gonna be a good problematic time to talk about and myself, Lee and and what one Derek the Boo Boo Bourgeois will will be there uh to talk about these films.

So after this, uh you'll get that and then the next one. Very exc I'm very excited about the shit that comes up guys and it just um

It's a nice way to keep the family together by bringing all these people in. You know, we laugh at our own jokes and you know I hope you guys are digging where we're laying down.

If not, that's okay. You guys go dig something else. But uh X, anything else you want to plug, sir?

No, sir, let me say this. You can find me here on the Cinema Beef Podcast.

Uh, you can read my words at Bip Bam Pop and the Cultural Gutter. You can listen to old episodes of our podcast, Kiss the Goat, on various podcast hosting platforms. I know Spotify has it.

I'm sure some of you have fucked off from Spotify and that's fine. I understand why.

But you can buy my novels on the internet, look for Jeffrey X Martin, or you can buy them from that sketchy guy in the trench coat who lurks around the corner of your local library.

The show comin' this summer, but that's all I'm willing to say.

Fair enough, we're all looking forward to it, man.

Hey you say that now.

No, no, I do I am. I am. I was like I was getting genuine genuine laugh of, you know, everything you guys do'cause

You guys put work into your show. I I do not. I always said that, you know When this feels like work, this is when I stopped doing it'cause it lo no longer is is it ceases to be fun.

You know, my my my lovely former co host who I wish her well, Miss Jamie Sammons, r refused to uh let folks help her edit because she took every um and erm out of the show. I don't do any of that shit.

It's very cut and paste here at the Cinemabeef Podcast and I'm very proud to say I'm just glad that it comes together as a unit and and as a program.

So I trunc I truncate shit from hell to breakfast on my shows.

Ha ha.

But yeah, th that that's a thing. But um Soon we get into the push girl, I'm sorry.

Oh no, I think I may have pushed it last time, but coming up with our friend Cam, oh I did an episode of Cinema Degeneration where we talked about Susperia.

our favorite movie. So that's gonna be amazing.

Thank you.

That is also my favorite movie. When is that coming out?

Oh I will find out from Cam.

Dude, that is my favorite movie forever.

Oh my god. The the love fast?

The breaking down there's just You'll have to listen.

Are you able to get through certain scenes and look at them without the jizz on the filter?

It was very difficult, but

I understand. I went with Suzy Suze to the theater to go see that special print they found like a locker in Chicago somewhere. That fucking pink fucking nightmare with fucking Vaseline on the lens where they

The sixteen millimeters shit? Yeah.

Yeah, I like that one.

We drove to Nashville to see that garbage. Hell yeah we did.

that I have to a friend to watch a film that I don't like very much. So there's that, you know.

Oh, God.

And I they actually had the film cans outside when we were leaving. I ran over and like, can I take a picture of myself touching it?

That's how I...

So there's a picture somewhere on one of our phones of me touching the canister of that long lost copy of Susperia.

Sispiri is the best movie ever made. I don't care.

Bye.

Everything. It's it's so saturated and layered, and there's so much going on in between the lines, and it's visually stunning. It is art, it is horror, it is A little bit of everything rolled into one magnificent technicolor red joint.

que je préfère.

God damn.

By the way.

I do charge for the second time though.

If you guys go to the beef chat right now, there's Suzanne with the with the film can right.

You just save up.

Mm-hmm.

Crap!

There it is.

Suzanne Suzanne's in fucking only dance.

Oh my gosh. We ha that's about the end of this one. We'll get the more shenanigans next time. Like I said, myself, Lee and Boo Boo on the one and then

Two weeks from tonight we'll record that very, very fun episode it's gonna be. Um, tell more positive things like fucking burnouts and puppets on the next in beef, um, past that.

So many plans, so little time. Uh, this has been Gary Hill. This has been Jeffrey X Bart. This has been

Phenomena. Well, Suzanne. Uh, one more time I had to do it.

Yeah.

Um should be podcast where if you got beef, we've got the grinder. See you next time.

Are there so?

So

Bye.

Oh my god. I'm sorry, cannot yell.

Good night, everybody.

Jesus, I'm done.

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Take meds drop.

Right.

Served in a dirty ashtray.