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It's a disgrace, that's what it is. I know.

I mean, you guys are privileged. You see that, right? Sure.

No, not sure. And out the door, you give me the finger.

You get halfway down the hall. I want you to know it then. Because it's

true. Not because some dude. I mean, this time maybe it could be anybody.

Because some man says that it's right. You know, I could have held back on

this, just blowing it off. Cause I got a flight to catch tomorrow. That you

figure out. Life all in your little lonesome. I think I would've been doing you

a disservice, I really do. So, and I'm

not bullshitting you, here. Cherish this. Look,

all I wanna say is that you boys are sitting in the driver's seat.

You can make whatever you want to happen happen. It's that easy. I mean,

you're in with this company, but you're screwing around, chasing each other in

the break room, hanging out with a bunch of guys from shipping. I mean,

where's your head, huh?

Offer you a chance here. Keith Keith, right. Yeah. Keith Keith

or Keith Keith? Which? Keith?

Well, you ought to know.

Yeah. Howard will be back in about an hour. I'll take him.

Thanks.

I'm just rolling out the opportunity for you to hang with the money people.

Don't screw this up, Keith. I mean, I'll look at you guys. Sometimes interns we're

given on a project, I mean, I'll wonder to myself, you got

the balls for this, right? I can't help but think it.

I do. Yeah. Yes.

Ax anybody.

Let me give you a professional tip. The word

is ask. Okay?

You want a job like mine one day, sitting back in part of a show

such as this one. The ring is just dangling

right there. And you've come this far,

you just gotta grab it. But you need the

big brass ones for the desk.

Now you say that you've got em? Yeah.

Enough to handle a pressure cooker like this? Uh huh.

Fine.

Let's see him then. Praise the Lord for

bringing us this generous penalty.

Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait,

wait. I worry what you just heard was. Give me a

lot of bacon and eggs. What I said was give me

all. The bacon and eggs you have.

Living flesh. I guess that's about 56.

Complex me back on my menu.

That's why I'm hungry. Each word I say farther

and farther into a radical number.

Secret. It's amazing. Don't see a bottle I'd

buy that for a dollar. Not bad for me. Please, when you try to

come back. Oh, look at me. Look at me. I've never been seeing easily

up. Hungry. I'm so hungry.

I'm so hungry. I. I never knew anyone could

be so hungry. What about that time I found you naked with that bowl

Hello, folks. This is the Beef podcast. I am one of

your hosts, Gary Hill. Well, yeah, I got a co host this time, but my

regular hosts are not here. Hiatus and elsewhere,

because it's Friday night and you know, I'm a good company. I. I gotta

say. And you know this man. Well, you should know this man.

He. He is the hardest working man in podcasting.

The always impossible funky leader,

proprietor, editor, complaint department of

the Projection Booth podcast. Mr. Mike White. How you doing, sir? I'm so

glad to be here. Thank you so much, Gary. Oh, my gosh. Yeah,

it's been a while, but I'm always glad for you to take the time.

And I know you're very busy, man, with your, what, seven or

eight podcasts by now that you do here with people. It just.

Yeah, I, I thank you, my friend. Oh,

yeah, it is always such a pleasure to talk with you. So, yeah, I'm very

excited for this. Micah brought some heat to

this show and I'm. I'm looking forward to talking about it and, you know,

some toxic dudes, if you will.

Yes, toxic masculinity. Before the

term toxic masculinity was even. Coined, I believe it's just

oozing from these damn films. And yeah, I wish, I wish,

I wish a woman was on this show just like, hey, yeah,

let's talk about it. And that's Dutch. She's a third member of this for this

program. Bugging me right now, but, you know, it is what it is. But I'll

start the show the same way I always start the show. And I ask you

what you've been watching lately, sir? Oh,

well, you know, of course, watch a lot of movies for the various

shows you mentioned that. I do quite a bunch. So definitely out there checking

that out. Haven't really gone to the movies too much recently. It's been mostly stuff

at home. I think the last movie I saw out was Falcon,

Captain America. Sorry, Captain America. He's not the Falcon anymore.

Captain America, Brave New World. And then, yeah, just around

the house. Other than, of course, the stuff for the podcast,

one of the things I've watched recently was a movie called the good fairy from

35, a William Wyler film, which I absolutely love.

If you haven't seen that, I can't recommend it strongly

enough. And then, yeah, the other night I watched.

For my sins, I watched a Minecraft movie.

A Minecraft movie. As if there's going to be more than one Minecraft movie.

So screw me, right?

Well, it's an odd one because

it's. It's. It's Jared Hess film, right?

Yeah. And I usually enjoy his stuff and I have not watched this

yet, but I'm sort of looking forward to watching it because I love the

odd things that he does in films with it with his brother and with.

Gentlemen Broncos is an underrated film, in my opinion,

but it just gets wild and stupid for

no reason at all. And I just love that kind of odd stuff like that.

And this one, I don't play the video game,

but it looked like fun to me. As far as a

preview goes. I just couldn't tell you I would see this. I couldn't

tell you if I had fun with it or not. To say I like

the idea of Jason Momoa and Jack Black together, but I couldn't tell you if

that's true or not. Well, it's really weird because they set up

the Jason Momoa character to be very similar to what's

that guy's name, Billy Mitchell, the guy who was

the villain in King of Kong, that documentary about the

Donkey Kong competition. Think Peter

Dinklage kind of plays that character in Pixels.

And there's a lot of stuff in a Minecraft movie that reminds

me of Pixels. But it was very interesting

because the version of a Minecraft movie I watched was 100%

a bootleg, and it was a leaked version of a early,

like, a working copy of it. So, like, you see green all

around everybody's hair or, like, blue in the background.

Like, there's a part where this computer dog is licking Jack Black's

face. And basically the dog's head does not move. Like,

it doesn't open, the mouth doesn't open, and it's just him kind of reacting to

it. And the dog is covering up half of his body because of the way

that it was matted. And even, like, there's a main villain

who's a, like, a pig lady and her mouth never moves

whatsoever. And I'm just like, oh, they're going to animate all that lip flap in,

like, later on. But the version I saw, she just stands

there with a solid cube head and you hear the woman

from, like, Thor, Ragnarok and Hunt for the Wilder People. You hear her

voice coming out of this mouth, but you're like, she's not moving her mouth.

This is kind of strange. So I'm like, it took me a long time before

I realized I was watching a work print of it. Yeah, my buddy

told me about this work print. He's a big, you know, connoisseur, that kind of

stuff. And I was kind of looking forward to watching it that way because I

remember when Wolverine Origins came out. Oh God, that was great.

Before that came out, that work print with the unfinished

effects was way more entertaining than the actual film itself.

That's the only movie version I've ever seen. Is that work print one with

like the horrible like gray version of Logan rolling over that like

truck and stuff? Yes.

And I love Leo Schreiber in that movie. Don't get me wrong.

I, I've seen both versions as far as like the finished version of that version,

but that's, I'd imagine that's more of the same of that Minecraft work printed

and like I said, it might make it more entertaining. Oh yeah,

I think it was, I think it was honestly more entertaining that way. And I,

I definitely think that with the Wolverine as well.

But yeah, no, I, I, I totally agree with you. Liev Schreiber is

just frickin fantastic. I love him in anything. I really

always loved him in one movie that I don't think gets enough credit called

Some of All Fears. That Tom Clancy Jack

Ryan film with Ben Affleck is Jack Ryan.

I think that's one of the better ones out there. Like for me

it's like Alec Baldwin, Ben Affleck

and then John, what's his name, Krasinski or whatever that guy's

name is from the Office and then Harrison Ford and it's really tough putting Harrison

Ford in last place in a Jack Ryan off. Even though I

guess Chris Pine is also in there at some point and yeah, just that

movie, that one doesn't really even feel like it counts to me.

Yeah, I, I remember seeing it. I, I couldn't tell you, but he's

one of those actors that I, I, I enjoy most things he's in except

for the Scream franchise. I'm really, I'm really relieved when he dies in those movies.

But you know Ray Donovan?

Oh yeah, the, the Goon movies. I enjoy the Goon movies

quite a bit. He's great in those movies. You just, you just,

he just keep the gift that keeps on giving and things. I even watched that,

the movie that the, about the guy that begat Rocky.

Chuck. Chuck, what's his name? Replayed that guy in the movie,

I think it was just called Chuck, where he played the guy that that Rocky's

based on. Oh, okay. Yeah. But,

Yeah, I love Le Schreiber. Movie 43

is a film that I shouldn't laugh at intensely, but I laugh at movie 43

intensely. And it's just a lot of crude jokes and I.

He's one of the best parts of it, him bullying

his teenage son.

I can't say I've ever watched it all the way through.

I think I stop every time at the balls on

the chin with Hugh Jackman and I've never made it past that.

It's. It is ridiculous. It is.

Anything else that you watched? Those were the big

ones. I've been watching some tv, so I finally watched all of

the Pentavoret, the Mike Myers thing from 2020.

You know, it only takes me a little while to get to things, apparently.

All right, all right. And yeah, and then I'm still watching like new

season of Taskmasters coming out, so I'm excited for that. The Taskmaster Australian

version just came out, so I've been in that and then,

yeah, waiting to find out who gets crowned

the Queen of All Queens on the latest season of

RuPaul's Drag Race. So I remember you being a fan of that show.

Don't ask. I remember you being a fan of that show. Still am.

Still am, yeah. The Pentava

thing, I've been meaning to get to too, but I haven't done it because it's

like, like they made this thing that's based on a joke, a small

joke from Sean Mar and Ax Murderer and I

am. I love that thing. So I'd imagine, you know, this, this outrageous

thing. I'm going to love to. You know, I enjoyed it.

Yeah. There's. It gets a little heavy handed at points because it's basically

like the Internet ruined everything and it's like. Yeah, no, you know,

that might have been radical to say in 2022. I don't think so. But in

2025 you're like, yeah, no, everything sucks.

I, I really can't. Can't argue with that.

There. New stuff I watched.

I watched A Working man, the, the brand new Jason Statham joint.

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I follow these hook, line and sinker.

And I think now he's, he's. He hasn't really

escaped the Expendables because this is, I think, written and produced by Stallone,

this movie. Yeah, it is. Yeah,

it's. It's like, like the Beekeeper. I had a great Time Beekeeper.

I had a great time with this, too. It's kind of like a return to

form for him, in my opinion, as far as like, you know,

being the charismatic action star. Although I do.

I do like his character in Expendables, but a

lot of the other stuff kind of brings it down a bit. But, you know,

he's in this. And my

only real regret this is. It is much like taking,

you know, a girl. He did he.

A daughter of a guy who works for Michael Pena gets kidnapped.

He has, like, years of military training, so he goes after her

because, you know, he has a good relationship with her. And my

only big regret with this is David Harper's in this and he plays like

his blind ex army mate. Yeah,

yeah. I wish there was more like that. That seed where

they break into his house and he has to go like blind gunman on

these. On the bad guys. I needed more David harbor in this movie.

That's my only real about it. You know.

I. I liked it, but I thought the Beekeeper was way better because

it was just so silly, you know. Oh, yeah. It was ridiculous. It was.

Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Other stuff. TV stuff. You mentioned TV stuff. I started

and enjoying the hell out of Mob Land on Paramount.

Plus the new Guy Richie thing.

Pierce Brosnan, Helen Mirren, Tom Hardy,

holding it down. It's just Guy Richie

doing British gangster, you know, like you love to watch and it's

violin for all the right reasons. And, you know,

Helen Mirror, Helen Mirren is. Is devious as. Like,

you want her. And I just. I love everything about it so far. I'm three

episodes in. I just. I. I want more of it, obviously.

Nice. Besides, I've watched

a lot of 1983 horror films. Were my appearance on Land

of the Creeps, this is coming up, so I rewatched

some stuff. Warlock, the Armageddon, I rewatched

that. I have a good time with the first two of those.

Andrew Hickox again. This is a Hickox do it up Preacher. I watched.

Oh, you know, Ticks is amazing. Amazing practical

effects. People say, oh, the acting's not so good. You know, you have fun

with a dumb creature feature like Ticks and, you know.

And then I watched it for the first time ever, Toby Hooper's

Night Terrors, which features. And I love this,

this. This. This point of Robert Englund's career where he's just like going full

ham, you know, in these roles. He had the Phantom

of the Opera thing. He. He had this where he's playing like the Marquis

de Sade, but, like amped up to 11, you know,

and some other stuff too, but. Oh,

the, The Mangler is a favorite. It's not a good movie. He's just.

He's just insane in it. And I, I love that aspect of

the Mangler. Not much else, but his, his craziness in that movie.

It elevates her from like a 4 to a 6 for me, let's put it

that way. Oh, yeah, yeah,

yeah. No, Hickox is great. What was the company

that he worked for a lot? I think you said it.

Oh, maybe didn't say it. Was it

like it was a full moon? That was a Vestron Bestron.

He worked with Best Run a lot. Yeah, a lot of stuff out now.

I'm Blu Ray from them, so. Oh, yeah, those Vestron

films were something very special. I think Sundown

Vampire and Retreat is one of his. And that's.

That's got a nice special edition and, you know.

Yeah, good stuff, man. But yeah, these, these 93s. I, I just started

watching a film that I've always seen the box art for, but I couldn't

find it even by legal means, so I had to have a dig for it.

Skeeter from 1993. Oh, God. Wow.

Yeah, it's. It's not great, but it's got Charles Napier,

Michael J. Pollard, William Sanderson and George Buck Flower in the

same movie. So I, I had to check it out. Wow.

I had to check it out, man. You. You, you know this, Mike. It's crazy.

Yes. You get a cast like that and.

Yeah. Yeah, you definitely have to check out something like that. Some fun

doing that. I. I listen. Listen to their shows and they,

they were. Their 91 show. They're. They're complaining. I was like,

there's like, there's like golden 91. What are you talking about, guys?

Jeez. But no, I, I love those guys and

supposed to have Greg and his wife on real soon, and I'm looking forward to

that, too. Besides that, not.

Not a whole lot more new stuff to sing about. I, I watch stuff

for shows, too, that I can't discuss right now because I record a

brand new episode of the. In the Parade Way series with John

Cross tomorrow. So, yeah, that's. That'll all be discussed on,

on, on that show, obviously. Well, please give John my best.

He's. He's one of the good ones. I will, man. Reach out, man. He's always

looking back, man. For sure. Yeah, he just started that. And I'll push this 9

Ways of Sunday, the PM Entertainment podcast, you know.

Okay. That's why he was asking me about PM Entertainment. Yeah.

I'm sure he's looking for guests. I'm sure he would love to have you,

Mike, you know. But that's

about it for me. We'll go into the. The meat of

the show now, which is aplenty, if you will.

The meatheads in these movies. Oh, boy. Yeah.

Mike gave me a list and. And I said, give me a list and I'll

pair with something. And he. And he. He paired it for me because I.

I was. It was a. It was hard for me. So we

are doing the Men's Club from. Was this 1970?

No. 80 something. Right. 86. Like a great

year in cinema. And then the Men's Club. It should have

been made in the 70s. We'll talk about that. Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah.

In the. In the Company of Men, Mike is the other film. That's correct.

Yeah. To 2001. Is that right?

2001. Yeah. No, 97. 97. We have

yet to crack the century mark. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. We're those two films. And we're going chronological order,

I think, with the men's Club

from 1986. And we'll do that right through this trailer.

For every woman who ever loved a man.

For every man who ever had a secret.

Sarah and I were arguing three months after we were married. Got so there

was nothing but pain at home and anger in me. If I made it with

another woman, it would degrade Hannah. What if you didn't tell her?

She'd get sick. Thing is, you have to

keep a record. I have had 622 women.

Personally, I prefer courtship. There was a woman who used

to like to taste my food in restaurants.

I went out with her for months. I almost married her. I understood

then the whole problem with our marriage.

Sheila doesn't like me. But I've been sitting here and I've

been listening. The stories are obscene. You don't have to like our stories.

Thank you. But I was afraid I had to. Like them man to man,

you know? Will he talk? Except woman comes along.

Her. Every man for himself. She's waiting for my call. I can feel it.

She's waiting for it. How long has it been since you spoke to her?

Five years. That's your love story for me,

one woman makes another woman necessary. Do I remind you

of your wife? Not yet. Complain about

something. You wouldn't be jealous if she made it with another guy? No,

man, I'm liberated.

I don't Feel anything. Look, I dislike being analyzed,

Kramer. I'm not one of your patients. I thought you were my friend. Huh?

Maybe I was wrong about you. Maybe I ought to kick your.

I live only for peak experiences.

This is a wonderful club. This is a wonderful

club. It all begins

after they kiss their wives good night.

The Men's club.

The Men's Club, 1986. Your cheapo plot synopsis

is. Men form a discussion group to share feelings about.

About life and women. As the gathering

gets wilder, the wife comes. The wife comes home after being kicked out. They want

to continue the night. Kind of weak sauce, but thanks IMDb

nonetheless. The stars maybe.

Help me out here. What was David Dukes in? David Dukes sounds very familiar to

me, but not like in the KKK sense. I just about

made that joke. No, you know, I. I think I was mixing him up with

Daryl Dukes, but. Yeah, I'm not sure I recognize David Dukes,

but everybody else in this one I think I recognize.

Yeah, a lot of them for sure. Richard Jordan,

who you know from. If you ever. Yeah, Dune,

Logan's Run, you know, the, the. The good Harvey

Keitel, you know, from many, many things.

Frank Langella, tons of things.

Played Dracula and Skeletor, so there's that, you know. Oh, yeah.

Roy Scheider, who you know from many, many things.

Craig Wasson, who may maybe no less of

him, but he's from Nightmare 3. And body. Body Double.

Right? Yeah, yeah. Body double. Treat Williams.

Yeah. Late Street Williams.

Stalker. Channing, uh, Rizzo herself is in this movie.

She gets upset for good reason. Oh, yeah.

Morons. Jesus. Yeah,

there's a lot more in here. Oh, my God.

Jennifer Jason Lee. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild.

Well, yeah, Jason. Jennifer Jason Lee is kind of the reason why I

chose this movie. I had seen that

poster with her on it for years. So I actually had written

down that one is something. This one, I should say the Men's

club is something I to wanted to see and talk about at some point.

And then the other one is one called Hearts of Midnight,

which also has a very intriguing Jennifer Jason Lee poster.

It's like, I don't know why I forgot just how incredible she

looked in the 80s and 90s and still now she looks great. Oh, yeah.

But just like those two posters really grabbed my attention

and I was like, okay, yeah, so I think I said both of

those with a couple other titles over. You chose the Men's Club. And then

when it came to like pairing them up, I was like, like, okay, yeah,

I think I can think of another Thing that would go well with the men's

club after I had seen it, because I had no idea what it was about.

Walking into it, I just knew that poster, that was the only

thing that I was going on with this one.

When I see the cast, I was like. And I read the synopsis,

I was like, I'm gonna pick this one because I want. I want to look.

Look at freaking Roy Scheider and Richard Jordan get randy about,

you know. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God,

the cast is just amazing. And, like, you mentioned Stocker Channing

and Jennifer Jason Lee, and then you've even got, like, who. Anne Wentworth and,

like, Helen. What's her name? Supergirl, I think,

is in this as well. Like, very small role, but yeah,

the. Some very, very good actors and actresses

in this. And, you know, they do. They do a

good job too. But, yeah, the content is questionable.

I love. I love this. You know, hate to use the word

words, locker room talk, but, you know,

the plenty in this movie, it's. It's. It's uncomfortable

for that kind of dude, you know? Well, yeah, And I'm wondering if this is.

The whole men's club thing is supposed to be a reaction to,

like, women uniting and having their own support systems

and men just feeling left out. This feels very much like the whole men's rights

things, where it's like, what do you mean, men's right?

Like. The patriarchy's

been around for a long time. You need a men's rights thing. Is that,

like, Straight Pride Month? Like, come on, man. Like, give it a rest.

Like, it's fine to hang out with the boys, but then,

like, when they show what these guys get up to, maybe it

is not fine that you hang out with the boys because you all turn into

a bunch of meatheads. Yeah, yeah. And, you know,

it's. I mean, I've been there before. Not. Not to this. To this

extent before. But, you know, you have those friends that, you know,

you talk with in a certain way, you know, not. Not in mixed

company. And these guys in this movie don't really

care if they're in mixed company or not. They just talk about whatever they want

to talk about, you know? Yeah, well, I think that's 1986.

I don't know when the book was written. It feels more like. You were saying

it feels like the. The 70s, and I wouldn't be surprised if was

written in the 70s. Yeah. This seems like a movie that would

be hard to get made as far as, like, I. I didn't find Much

on the history of it or anything. And fun

thing about Mike is when Mike does a show, his. Especially his own show,

he provides reference materials. You know,

very, very professional fellow, that Mike White. You know, I love him for it,

but. Yeah, I couldn't tell you, but the

director of this surprised hell on me because this Peter.

I usually say medak, but yeah, yeah. They got

to be the changeling and, you know, stuff like that. And a lot. A lot

of TV that you recognize. And it just seems

like an odd film. If you watch this, you watch the Changeling,

it's like two totally different tones. It's like,

oh, yeah, maybe it's like he was directed for Hire or

something here because it's. That's. That's.

It's. It's. It's so strange that he did those two things. I don't even

know. Yeah, he was all over the map when it came to what

he was doing. I mean, you mentioned the changeling. Like, I.

Well, he was supposed to do figures in a landscape, but I

think he got removed from that towards the end. But, like,

freaking the craze. But then you've got Zorro,

the Gay Blade, you know, Romeo is Bleeding, and then Species

two. So it's like, okay, like, he's all over the place

when it comes to his projects. Yeah, I just noticed

seven episodes of the 80s Twilight Zone, which is a show

that you're on. You guys do that show? Yeah, yeah. And, yeah,

I don't know how he got onto this one. I did look up the book

came out in 81, so right there at the tail end of the 70s.

And yeah, I was looking to see there

weren't a lot of things written about this. There were some reviews,

and a lot of times it was like, it was so funny because it's like,

I don't know why Peter Madeck would do this. It's like, I don't know.

Why not? It was a paycheck. Like, I don't

know how invested he was in this subject matter, but he was definitely

getting paid for it, I hope. I mean, the subject matter itself is. You know,

these guys, they get together, they. They drink. I wouldn't

say, you know, they're having, like, massive breakthroughs

as, like, therapy or something. But, you know, they could get together and

they. They goof up and they're all different walks of life, which is a

big thing about this film that. I did enjoy that. Yeah,

even, you know, the. The. The psychoanalyst

can get together with the meathead baseball player and those Guys

are the same, you know, when it comes down to the marrow.

I. I kind of like that aspect of not. Not their conversations,

but the idea to say, okay, you know what? This guy could be a

massive prick too. Yeah. Even though easier.

You're. You're everyday person who goes out

and analyzes other people. That guy's real up in his own son.

So I. I kind of appreciate that from a guy who probably needs

therapy of some kind, but, you know, it's sort of against

it at the same time to know that these people are flawed too,

you know? Well, so I did read a lot of

the book, and the movie is adapted.

Is adapted by Leonard Michaels, the guy that wrote the book. So you can imagine

it's very similar, though it's interesting that the book ends

basically with the stalker Channing character coming in

and eventually clocking Richard Jordan over the head

with the frying pan and then his whole, like, how did you know? How did

that make you feel? Kind of thing. Because it's all about psychoanalysis,

like you're saying, like, he's. He's kind of the leader of the group.

It feels like it's his place that this is all taking place.

It has to be, because it's his knives, his walls that

they're destroying. All the pictures, all the glassware, all this

stuff. Such a group of a holes. I don't know

why you would do that to anybody's house, much less your friend.

And. Yeah, so then he disappears

from the movie. So, like, the whole thing of them going to the whorehouse

in the second half of the film, that's all completely written for the screen.

So that is not part of the book. Which I was like, oh, well,

that's interesting where you chose to end the book versus where you choose to end

the movie. But, my God, this whole. The book and the

movie, it is just like. Do you want to do a monologue?

Let me give you a monologue. You're going to really enjoy

this, and you can chew this sucker up. May take you 10,

15 minutes to deliver it sometimes, but you got

at least five solid minutes. Every time I give you a monologue.

I will say this, though. You know, the guy is the guy for this movie.

You know, they're solid actors. Oh, yeah.

Even when they do a monologue and they sound like assholes,

you're still listening because it's. It's Break Langella doing this.

You know, with time. I'm not judgy, but I guess there was an

incident with him. I don't even Recall that the logistics of it, time told

on him, I guess. Harvey Keitel doing these monologues.

You know, Roy Scheider doing these daddy's monologues.

So even though they're misogynistic prick bags,

you're still listening because you have these monologues.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, the whole movie starts with that really

extreme close up of Roy Schneider giving a monologue, and then

cut to, like, the reactions from these other guys, and they're like

two or three lines kind of. It's a very interesting way of introducing

these characters, but it's just so much of Roy Scheider's

face on screen telling this. This whole thing before the

credits even roll. And I'm like, okay, yeah, you got me.

Here's a good story. And it's from a little bit later.

It's from when they finally all get together. But a lot of these stories are

from when they get. It's basically like there's a very little bit before you

see them all gather at this guy's place. So the things with

Liangella coming home and finding his apartment empty

or his house empty, like, you find out about that, but you

find out about it later. So. And it's not like you're seeing it before the

event starts. It's just very much like, hey, I hear this guy's having people

over. Oh, really? Why is he having people? Well, they're doing this thing, and,

you know, it's important for men to get together and stay together and all this

kind of stuff. And then the evening starts, and you kind of get that

same character breakdown as far as, like, this guy's a psychiatrist. This guy

does this, this guy does this. And I'm like, okay, so I mean,

Leonard Michaels definitely knew how to

take his own work. And I mean, it may not.

May not be the most riveting story in the world.

There's not that much story. Like I said, it's so monologue heavy.

But, I mean, it's pretty faithful to the book. And if you

didn't want to read the book like I did, go ahead and just watch the

movie. Yeah, the movie.

The movie itself is very, very decent. I did enjoy time with

it. I've had these friends before, and who

knows that the men's club would inspire casual

acts. Throwing now amongst men. These are knives in this movie.

And again, it's so ridiculous some of

the things you. Throwing knives at your own dining room

door and expecting your wife not to be mad

about that. I would like a little more context in There, but,

you know, with their relationship. But at the same time, is.

Is it really needed if, you know, she's not going to clonk him on the

head with the frying pan like she does in the book. And that's the end

of the book. I mean, he took the time to take that concept

and expand it, you know, and do, you know, a full fledged,

you know, film adaptation which, you know, these guys leaving

the house. Obviously, if that was. If I was the wife, I'd be throwing the

out too. You know, you. Your friends go out and play somewhere

else because you could tell. And she played it real well for the short time

you were stock and chanting in the film, you could tell she was just this

frazzled wife that put up with a lot of. Because that was like.

That was like the adverse. Like, yeah, you guys gotta get

out now, you know. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean,

really, so much of this movie feels like it's a play insofar

as, like once we get to the party or the

get together, the men's club itself, like, it's pretty much that

location. And then when they go to the whorehouse, it's that location.

And it's like, okay, you know, like, of course there are rooms inside of

the whorehouse, but. Or sorry, I should probably be saying something nicer like

brothel or something. But there's all these different rooms in the brothel.

And so we have like, oh, here's what Frank Langella is up to. And here's

what the Harvey Keitel is up to. His famous I'm not

masturbating lying that I love so much.

I didn't realize that that is how this movie is

known as that clip of him on YouTube. I'm like,

okay, great. And they let him use his voice in this too.

It's not like Saturn 3 where he was dubbed over. So I was kind of.

Oh, yeah. When I seen Heartbreak, I tell this movie. I was waiting for,

you know, the other voice to come in because I wasn't sure quite at what

time, you know, because was blue collar before Saturn 3?

I think it was. Yeah, it was. That was 70s

and Saturn 3 was 80s, so. Oh, Saturn 3 is so

much fun. It is very fun. But it seems so odd,

that voice coming out of that mouth. And. Yeah, oh, yeah.

When his voice is. I mean, when Last Temptation

of Christ came out, nobody could stop talking about Harvey Keitel because of

his accent. When he's supposed to be an ancient Israelite,

it's like, okay, yeah, but he's got, he's Got the Harvey Keitel

voice. You know, it's like, all right, yeah, cool, easy.

He's just. Just south of Italy, south of Jerusalem, I guess. Yeah,

I guess so. South. South Bronx. Yeah.

For sure. Like the whole thing.

The whole thing with the what? You know, the. The House of ill repute,

we'll call it again. You know, the biggest thing I

didn't like about the film is not even that it's

kind of hard to want these guys to be better because they're

such. Until they get to. Even when they get to the whorehouse

and. But. But the women

trying to make them better in a way by. By asking them, you know,

what their issues is and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like,

I really don't want redemption for these men at this point.

And so that's the biggest thing that takes me out of it.

You know, I would rather have, like, them. Them go to.

To. To. To the. To the whorehouse and then possibly go somewhere

else and maybe one of them get critically injured for.

From their actions. I don't. I don't know. I want bad. Something.

Something. Something. Something bad to happen to one of

them. And I think the frying pan over the head in the book would have.

Would have been like, hey, Louis Jordan comes home and then,

you know, his wife probably gets sick of him and just clonks him over

the head or possibly shoots him in the chest. I don't. I don't know,

man. I just needed something like that, you know. Oh, yeah, no, you're right.

If. If they had lost a guy with each place they went to, and by

the end, it's just like Frank Langella and, And Harvey Keitel together

or like, you know, maybe even do like the David

Dukes and Craig Wasson characters, the two that

you think would be the first to go, you know.

Make this a dark comedy like that. Make. Yeah,

and make it very bad things. And then. Oh, God,

yes, I would be all over this. Those guys deserve

very bad things to happen to him. Yes. If severe things happen,

these men throughout the film and not just, hey, my wife

threw me out, that's like the most severe thing. You know, he's just going to

come home that, that. That same night, like nothing happened. So, so it just.

That's my biggest takeaway for this film is that you want bad things to happen

to these men, but it doesn't really happen. So if this was a dark comedy,

I think I would have enjoyed my time with it a little bit more.

You know, I honestly expected. So like,

Frank Langell is Probably the guy we actually spend the most time

with when I look at the movie, because you get the long scene of

him coming home, hearing the note that his wife

left him or soon to be ex wife left him. And when he's

the guy that sets them up with the brothel and

pays for everything too, which isn't cheap, even in $1986.

And then he goes off with Teensy, the Jennifer Jason

Lee character, and she paints his face and stuff. And he looks like

he's very smug and very. Just like, I'm above it all now. When he

comes back down and he's not wearing a shirt, just wearing suspenders

pants, all this almost like glam rock makeup on him

and like a handprint on his chest. And I'm like. I can

see him becoming like the.

Oh, God, the William H. Macy of

this group. I can see him like leaving the house and coming back with a

gun and killing everyone. He just is so off the reservation.

And I'm like, does nobody else see this? Like, he seems like he

is not in a state of bliss. It seems like he's in a state of

psychosis. Yeah, but at the same time, you know,

you do get that scene of him going home and nothing being there. So it's

almost like. Not that I'm not. I'm not gonna use the word, hey, he's free

now. But you know what? He is free in a sense to say he's not

attached to anything now, so why. Why not go have another debauchery

where girl's gonna paint my body and I'm gonna dance around like an.

With this girl and, you know, so I. I'll take it from

his character, you know? Oh, yeah. Not so much these other dudes,

you know. No, but like, I think he's as close to a protagonist as we

get, you know? But then you get like the weird with

Harvey Keitel where he needs the prostitute to marry him and all. I'm like,

please just stop with this stuff. I don't need this stuff at all. Like,

this movie might have been better for me without the Keitel character.

But then there are those weird little moments that I really like.

Like, you know, talking more about Langella or talking about the

Ann Wedgeworth character. Wedgeworth Wentworth, that she's got the little ventriloquist

doll with her the whole time. I'm like, this is just kind of fucked up.

I'm not sure where this is coming from, but I'm here for it.

Yeah. Yeah. It's just. That's like the the neatest

things to me, like, the. The odd quirks with the. With the prostitutes,

and it just, It. It. It lessens these

men's, you know, drives to be pricks, you know, so,

you know, when they kind of get the better of them,

it. I'm glad this part of the film was written outside the book because

it really, if that was it, you know, the. That's. That's where

the. The story stops him getting hit over the head with the frying pan.

Although I do want him to feel some kind of pain.

The other guys wouldn't learn nothing and that they're kind of learn stuff

through, you know, through these women. And not that

I'm rooting for them to be good or anything. It's just. You know what.

It adds something to this. To this machismo that

we really don't get in the next movie, you know? Yeah, well, in the machismo,

still there for me, like, especially when, you know, Ro Schneider's like,

oh, well, I'm gonna stick around here. Then he eventually leaves,

and that whole weird thing of him walking across the bridge

and then, like, the other guys just happen to be there and

join him. I'm like, okay, I thought you all took off in, like, the wedding

party. But. And it's. He's not even wearing the same outfit, so I'm like,

is this, like a later day, later time that he just happens to be walking

down this bridge and all the guys join him? That seemed very out of place

to me. And if anything, I think he's wearing the same outfit that he was

in that opening monologue that I talked about.

Yeah, I didn't need the Ocean's Eleven ending. That. That was. That was

strange, right? Yeah. And then that. It's just him and Wasson

and Dukes again. I'm like, okay, yeah, these are the. The three people

I would not have expected to end up, you know, like, Schneider starts

the movie, but he kind of gets lost a little bit throughout it,

but he will pop up again. And, yeah, he's just. Oh, my God,

is he posturing so much? Yeah,

that's. That's what it's all about, though. This. This whole movie is posturing and,

you know, being. Being pigheaded and just, you know,

all. All the above. And again,

I liked it because of the actors that were in it. It just.

It wasn't these actors. I would have turned this off about.

About 10 minutes, you know.

Yeah. Yeah, they really do. Save it.

Yeah. Thanks for bringing this to the table there, brother. I appreciate that.

Because I, I wouldn't have watched it otherwise. I would never heard of it otherwise.

So. Oh my gosh. Any, any final

thoughts on, on this film, the Men's Club? No, other than

it seems like a very strange time capsule. Like I,

other than seeing that poster image, I never read

about this movie, heard of it really before. So it was

an interesting thing to just, you know, kind of run across and be like,

holy, this is a, just a, such a strange film. Especially like

I said, 86. But you forget just how long

it took for women to get a lot of the same rights that they're trying

to have taken away now. It's like, this is amazing that these

guys were these macho assholes so much in

86 I was there. I don't remember it being that

bad, but apparently it was.

Yes, it's cruel, you know, it's pompous.

But at the same time the, the women in the end kind

of get the better of these, these group of stooges. So it

makes, it makes you want to keep watching it and these actors make you want

to keep watching it. So I'd say for, for me, it's a light

recommend to, to check it out. It's just in,

it's apparently streaming on Prime. I swear

it wasn't as of a couple weeks ago, but apparently it is now at

mgm. Plus if you get it, it's streaming on there. So if you

got either one of those things, I'd say go check it out.

Because I, I, yeah,

to your point. I don't even know if this was ever released on dvd.

I don't think it's out on Blu Ray. No, I don't think so.

I could somebody like Kino picking this up though, and, and putting some,

putting something out though. That'd be nice especially to have

somebody who knows more about Leonard Michaels, more about Peter

Madak. I mean, may, that's still with us. It'd be perfect to, to do some

commentary for it. And you know, I'm trying to think we've got a few of

these actors are still with us as well, so be great to hear from them

or Jennifer, Jason Lee, you know, I think they could do a really nice deluxe

set of this. Yeah, I, I, I'd buy it. I'd buy

it. Especially the, the way, you know, has sales and they say, hey, you know,

then they have, they have about 25 of those a year. So I like,

I got no excuse now not to buy this. It's just Exactly.

Yeah, that's the men's Club, though, like I said, a light recommend for me to

check it out if you guys have it available to you. But next

up, we go further into the toxicity

of the male psyche within the company of men.

Right. This trailer, in the Company of Men from

1997. Your cheap applause synopsis

is. Two business executives, one an awkward misogynist

and the other, recently emotionally wounded by his love interest,

set out to exact revenge on the female gender by seeking out

one of the most in the rest. Thanks, stupid thing.

One of the most innocent, uncorrupted girl they could

find in ruining her life. This stars Aaron Eckhart,

who you know from many, many things. Thank you for not smoking.

The dark knight he sees. And he's. He's. I like this

act. Matt Moy.

We'll say it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't forget one

of his best. Yes, indeed, Matt Malloy, who I only know for

a couple. I know was a character actor. I. I see him in things I

just got to meet recently Denise Richards at a convention, and he's

in Drop Dead Gorgeous, which is a film that I love. He's nice.

Yeah, the creepy guy with the camcorder. You know,

film. The film of those young girls, you know, it just. It just.

He's a guy that shows up in things and I. I always appreciate that,

Stacy. It's really weird to see him. Oh, sorry. I was just

gonna say it's really weird to see Matt Malloy in this one where he's,

like, still clinging on to that hair, like, you know

him for being bald. And he. You can tell in this movie you're like.

You're like six ways weeks away from being bald here. So,

yeah, let's get this down before you lose it all.

It's almost part of the character, though, I think, if I think

about it, you know, real deep, you know. Oh, my gosh.

But. And I just didn't write to recognize Stacey

Edwards as Christine. Maybe you recognize her from things.

I have no idea where she's in. No, I.

I really don't. And I was very surprised because I looked

her up and I think she has her hearing. So it's

very interesting. Like, 1997 was still okay

for a person with hearing to play a deaf woman,

which I don't think would really fly these days is

so strange, you know? Like, I don't know if we're going to go back to

that anytime soon where it's just like, oh, yeah, yeah, you can have whoever play

whatever. But it was just like, oh, because she plays

them Very. To me, convincing deaf person in this.

Movie, you're not wrong. Because I've

worked with a lot of deaf people in my time. My aunt worked for a

place called the New Hope center when I was much younger and that

worked with a lot of deaf people and a lot of mentally handicapped people.

So I've worked with a lot of deaf people in my younger days.

So I know the way they communicate, the way they talk. And it was pretty.

It was pretty good portrayal of a deaf person, I gotta say.

Yeah, this is

directed by a director that I recognize the name and I've heard reputations

about this person, Neil Abute.

Can you shine some. Some light on Neil before us, Mike, at all?

Well, Neil LaBute, I know that he is most.

Well, he's a playwright and this was one of his

plays, I think one of his most successful plays. I think he has gone

back to that as well. I actually tried to reach Mr.

LaBute for something we were covering, and I'm trying to remember

what it was. But, yeah, this was the movie that

put him in the spotlight back in 97. Really put

him on a whole different path in Hollywood. And really, it was not just

him, it was him and Aaron Eckhart. Because his first, I think like

three or four films, all. All had Eckhart

in there. I remember your friends and neighbors. And I don't remember what else

that he was in. And then,

yeah, went on to make the most notorious remake

of Our Age. And that, of course, is the Wicker

man with Nicolas Cage. So a lot of people

thought he had just. The butte. Had lost his freaking mind.

I think he's recovered from it, but I don't. I couldn't tell you anything that

he's done since then. That's what I know I'm from. And get.

You know, for as much as I love the 70s Wicker Man,

I don't hate the new one. But it's not. It's for all the wrong

reasons. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All the wrong reasons why I like it.

You know, like I. I always say, every time Nicholas Cage drop

kicks a pagan, an angel gets its wing. You know, if this happens

in that. That Wicker man movie. So good. Yeah.

How'd it get burned? Yeah. So good.

Yeah. That performance, it makes. It makes

for a bad film, I guess. I guess you would call it.

But it's still better than the Wicker Tree. Okay. And I

tried Wicker Tree. I just. I couldn't get India. But, yeah,

I wish I could remember. Offhand what it was that we were going to.

I was trying to interview the beaut about because I was just

impressed that his person actually got back to me, so. Which is so

rare that someone even will write back with a no. I'm like,

thank you for just even acknowledging that I wrote to you.

But yeah, I really wish I could remember what it was because

I don't think we've really talked about anything that

he has worked on recently.

So maybe he was doing some sort of like, TV thing, because I think he

did some TV work as well. Okay. Yeah, but that's,

that's probably the thing I know him from is that Wicker man remake. And.

Oh, yeah, where have I heard this epic name from before? I couldn't tell you.

There it is, you know, the bees just going crazy.

All about the bees. Yes. But this,

this film itself, you know, I could see, you know, the playwright in it

because it kind of, kind of plays like that. Like I,

I, I. And I guess that, that aspect of I like,

you know, it's just that the whole, the whole idea, the whole idea of

these men, you know, in, in, in the end,

one of them really gets away with something. And we'll talk

about that in a minute about, you know, toxic males and female

doormats, apparently. But, but I'll

let you go first, Mike, In the Company Men. What are your thoughts on it,

sir? So I saw in the Company Men at theater.

I think it was playing at like a little art house theater,

either the main or the DFT here, Detroit Film Theater.

And I definitely. It definitely made a big impression on

me. There were a lot of things. One of them was how freaking good Aaron

Eckhart is. I know that he's supposed to also have very bad

reputation also with. Neil LaBute also has a bad reputation

from what I understand. But mostly Eckhart. And it sounds. He gets

to Method, I guess. I don't know.

Anyway, I remembered things

about this movie, but I didn't remember everything about this

movie. I most remembered more than how

awful they were to the woman or all women,

but the woman in this. I just remember the racism

really bothering me and the whole thing with Keith and

the big balls thing. I was just like, oh, my God,

that just blew my mind. And it

was with great hesitation that I suggested

doing this with the men's club because I knew I was going to have to

rewatch it after all these years. And I was dreading it.

But that's also a great thing. I think that the Butte really

did something here by making me dread this Art so

Yeah, I can see that, you know, having trouble re watching this movie

because it's the first time I watched it. And,

and yeah, the dialogue is very heavy. But I think

that this time they're making lots of films like this.

I, I think, you know, American Psycho was right around this

time. Stuff like even, you know, even younger people, The Rules

of attraction. What was around this time?

I'm trying to think of more but this, this was the time for toxic

dudes to be in movies and just be douchey about it. And if

I, I thought, yeah, you know, a film that. I love Doug

Lyman's Swingers. I love the film, but I recognize that

the men are doing wrong things in Swingers, but, you know,

it just was a time for this. But this takes it to, like, an extreme

to say, you know, you kind of believe it in American Psycho because it's kind

of like a satire. But this, this film kind of tells

you that, yeah, this is the way these guys talk.

And this is, you know,

almost like verbatim of what a.

A person could do to somebody else or

even somebody that's supposedly your colleague or maybe even your friend,

you know, because, you know, he doesn't come out

too good at the end of this either. And the, the whole time here in

our Aaron Eckhart's character is, is, is him over along

with, with, with over, you know, our. Our lady in this movie,

you know, and. Oh, yeah. Yes.

Nothing positive there at all. I mean, Eckhart is like one

of the great villains in this movie. He. It's like.

It's not like you see the machinations, you know, it's not like

you see where he's, you know, like, the things that you see him

doing all feel like they're coming out of this plan that he and

his bro took up. And like, oh, well, this is

the time where you're going to see us together. This is the time where you're

going to try to go on a date and she'll be with me. Like,

you see all of that, but then there's like, you know,

those are the machinations. There's also the Machiavelli on top of

it where it's like, oh, you didn't actually leave your girlfriend

or your girlfriend didn't leave you. Like, all of these things where it's like,

not only is he playing this game, but then

he's playing a game on top of it. For him, it's all a fucking

game. I think. I think he thinks this is the biggest Laugh of the century.

And he's going to be knee slapping this shit up with his next batch

of bros and he's going to get laughs out of it forever.

He, to me, in this movie, is one of the. The greatest villains

that we've ever seen on screen. Oh, yeah, and it's

so easy for him because he sees this girl who's incredibly

nice and incredibly shy. Easy target. He sees

his. His colleague who's this rube who

just got over, you know, relationship. So he's weak. He's just preying on

the weak this whole time. Oh, you know, it's not like you're rooting

for him, but he's almost like. Like a vulture looking

for. To find easy prey. And he. He sees that and there's

this guy, he sees that in this girl and, you know, the. The vulture

gets to eat in the end. It's all say about that, you know, and it's

just. It's. It's. That is. Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead,

Gary. That is one of the most insightful things. You call him a vulture.

It's like thinking back, there's one scene with. After they hatch their

plan or they start to hatch it, like, Eckhart is

taller than the other guy. And I'm sorry, I just keep calling him the other

guy. I'm very sorry. But he's taller than Malloy.

And he's also got that huge chin. Like a very like,

prominent, heroic chin. You know, he's not Bruce Campbell, but he's getting

there. And there's. And so he's like kind of stands over him with that

chin. And you're right, he does look like a freaking vulture. There's one moment in

the movie where he's like reaching his arm back. He's holding on to a,

like a door frame. I'm like, yeah, he looks like he's got freaking wing to

angel of Death, this. This other dude. And that's what he does.

And the fact that and I, I put this together till just now. You're talking

about that. There's that scene where homeboy takes.

Takes the girl to like some kind of safari or something.

Yeah. It kind of goes together in a

way, like the creature looking for their prey kind of kind of thing.

And you know, it's just, oh, my God,

he's. He's awful. And. And he. He plays

it. He plays it so well. And in this film. But, you know,

again, another one where, you know,

you want. You want redemption for. For, you know, the weak guy,

but you don't really get it. It's just. It's just. No, it hangs

there. Oh, yeah. The way this movie

ends is like a slap across the face. It's like

the exact opposite of the men's club. It's like. Yeah, you feel like

these guys might have learned something at the end of the men's club. And this

one, like, yeah, it's just gonna learn what disappointment was. I could

tell you that. And you know. Oh, yeah. Nobody gets their comeuppance,

you know, like, I guess. I guess the.

The other guy. I guess Malloy gets the comeuppance, but,

like, Eckhart gets away with it. The thing that really gets me about the movie

is the way that Ecker can move around and talk to

different people. And he uses pretty much the same language. Sometimes a

little, like, thicker or less thick. Like when he

bonds with the. A hole at the company that they got sent to

and starts talking about the deaf lady.

And they just start. They are almost

instant comrades because they are tearing down somebody else

and just shit talking. And I'm like, this. This is

the world. Like, the whole world is all of these Aaron Eckharts. And he

can just come and go as he pleases and just make himself at

home anywhere, because everybody in this world is him talking

about other people in one of the most awful ways.

Just the insults when he starts doing that dolphin noise,

and it's just like, oh, I want to just strangle this.

But there is points of realism in the film too, because there.

There's. There's the point where he's talking to, I guess,

like a. Some kind of manager in training or like some kind of person in

training. And the guy literally makes him.

He literally makes the guy whip his balls out of the desk.

Oh, Jesus. And you know what? It's.

It's. It's that moment in the toy where, you know,

us. Bates makes. Makes Ned

Beatty Pulls Pants down just to

prove to you, yeah, this, this, this. This is the corporate world and

this is the way it works. You're gonna be that guy that's willing to do

things, you know, in a hard,

sick way. That guy was teaching

the other guy how it works. And, you know, yeah, it's. It's a sick reality,

but it's reality nonetheless, whether it's metaphorically or physically.

Yeah, you know? Well, it was this time,

watching it, that after that ball scene happens, I'm like,

that guy was just sexually assaulted.

Like, what he had, you know, like, I didn't have

words for it. Like, now I look at him like, oh, God, that's, that was

like a, almost a rape, the way that he was like, yeah, show me your

balls. And then how fucking long does that

shot go on? And you're just looking at Eckhart looking at these,

this guy's balls. And I'm like, I can't believe we're doing this

shot right now. And it just holds for so long. And I'm like,

wow, what a tour de force this is. And just how awful

and uncomfortable I feel the entire time. Like, you know,

I, I, I can't say that I liked the film Uncut Gems,

but like Uncut Gems, the way they shot that gave me a physical

reaction where I just was so upset and uptight the whole

time. This movie In the Company of Men also just,

just gives me like a visceral reaction to it.

Yeah, there is, there is a lot of tensity tense.

Is that a word? And intense stuff like that in this as well.

And I get the uncut gems thing there, there's parts in that film where

you just feel uncomfortable. And I think it's the way the softies did it and

you know, the, with the everything, everything about it, the way it's shot,

you know, and yeah, this thing, you are right.

He was, he was sexually assaulted. But, but at

the same time, you know, I'm not, I'm not behind closed doors. We live at

a time where we're, Matt Lauer was, was a

prestigious, you know, person of the media community and then

you find out, you know, that he had a rape button in his office that

would close the door and, you know, you would never guess that, you know,

behind. I, I hate to use rebind closed doors. This, this man was this

big of a shit pig. But I'm sure it's, I'm sure a lot

of this is very true in the corporate world. Not, you know,

metaphorically putting your, I mean, not physically putting your balls on the table,

but, you know. Yeah.

Weird stuff like this, you know. Yeah. The denigration,

the bullying, you know, this is bullying of these people.

And I'm one of the biggest ones to say, you know, because I, I've been

you. I'm sure you've been heavy all your life. I've been heavy all my life.

We grow thicker skins about certain things. I would love

to see people. Hey. Grow a thicker skin about certain

things because, you know, you can't, you can't throw hands at everything, you know,

because if it's real thin, you're going to get mad about a lot of Things.

But, you know, this. I think a thicker skin

in this world is necessary. And again,

the vulture aspect of it to him seeing her and him

and whoever else, really. Because you only really got that one interaction

with. With that. With, you know, the young. The young budding

executive who's willing to do anything because, you know, the next

guy might ask him to do something else entirely worse than that. Right. You know,

and I think that was. The sabotaging of

Malloy's character. Oh, yeah, the print was way too late. Like,

those things. Like, oh, man, that's when you're like,

oh, he's really doing all of this other stuff too.

And when you look at a movie like this, it's like, okay, we've seen this

story too many times now. Like, I'm trying to remember if it's

like, 10 things I hate about you or one of those movies where it's like,

yeah, we made a bet. You know, you were

part of a bet. Innocent girl. And then,

like, at the end, it always all works out where,

like, the girl that was the bet goes with the guy that was betting on

her or whatever. And it's like, all right, now they're happily ever after. And this

just takes it and flips it right on its ear. And you're like, oh,

yeah. No, this is much more of how it would have really gone if someone

was a bet with someone else. And it's fine,

you know, because in those movies, you know, they had. They. They find common ground

and they find love there. So when they get together and Heath Ledger gets together

with Julia Stiles at the end of that movie, you're like, yeah, you're kind

of for this, but the process getting there is like, yeah, it's kind of

up, but in this one, yeah, it's fucked up.

And then it gets more up. And then you get the end. You get

it. When I got to the end, I. I don't want you guys to watch

this movie, listeners. Because it's that way. It's good. When you

get to the end, the girl in question, the deaf girl,

is still with Aaron Eckhart at the end of this movie, where even after

she finds out everything. So, yeah,

so when I say lady doormat,

she. She is the doormat in this movie. And it

makes me sad. You get to the end of this movie, you know.

Oh, yeah. It is really something. And,

yeah, that. That end shot with him

screaming at her, and then

we get her POV of this madman with

his mouth just open and, like, those mute screams. And I'M like,

oh, to make him mute at the end of this.

To continue to take away all of his power and

all of his.

Oh, geez, what's the word I'm looking for?

His. His station in life is just like, wow,

that talk about being humiliated completely.

But yet at the same time, I still think that he is seen

as being in a better station than she is just because he's a man.

Well, that and, you know, his. His status and.

But at the same time, you kind of wish for. After she

views him screaming in her face unaudibly, that she'd

push his ass off the balcony. You want that? But, you know,

you. You don't get that because she's. That. No,

she's that complacent to where she knows she's been

abused. She knows she's been victimized. She's continued to being.

Being victimized by, you know, her. Him screaming at

her, although she can. She can relax, but she can't hear that

she's willing to stay with this utter piece of

human garbage, you know?

Yeah. And she. Does she know she's

the side chick? I kind of think she does. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, and she's still okay with it. And this.

This, unfortunately, I. I watched. I watched the army hammer thing,

okay. It blew my mind, The. The testimonies

of these women talking about, oh, he. He abused me

and, you know, he tied me up without my permission.

But at the same time, your ass came back. So do

I really feel pity for you that you came back to all this after complaining

about all of these things? And why'd you come back? Because he took you to

fancy dinners. He took you on fancy boats, and you have no backbone,

apparently, to say, I. I don't need this in my life.

So apparently this woman was at this point to say,

I don't need to. I. I need this in my life. So I'm just.

I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna stick it out, apparently. Right. You know? Right.

Again, it makes me sad for. For the female race

of women that I know exist like this, you know,

that they. They can hear. Whether they can hear or not, you know, it just.

It makes me sad. Well, men and women, because, you know, yeah, I've known

some. Some. Some. Some gay couples that have been in

physically abusive relationships just kept on staying because, you know,

took. It. Took them to parties and stuff. You know, like,

you get codependent on the other person and yeah, you just get,

you know, convince yourself that you deserve it, which is awful.

It's an awful feeling to, to think like, oh, I deserve to be miserable.

So that's why I'm staying here. And now, granted, I'm not. I'm not the ace

of relationship advice. I can't say that, hey, I've been in those situations,

because I haven't. But I know, I know how my human brain works. And if

that was me in that situation, like, no, I, I couldn't do it, you know?

Oh, my gosh, Mike, you. You've brought

it on us, man. That's fine. But.

Not a couple of feel good movies this

time. That's okay. It's. It' good discussion and that's all I care

about, you know. Any final thoughts about in

the Company of Men? Oh, man, it's.

It's not a surprise that labute

and Eckart, to varying extents, have had big careers

after this because, yeah, you just see how they handle

this material, and it is, it's really a master class.

You know, I talked about how the Men's club was such

a. You know, here's all these monologues and just these actors must have been,

you know, oh, yeah, I want to be in this movie so I can do

all these monologues. This is going to be great. Yeah, there are monologues

in. In the Company of Men, but it just, it feels much more

like you're watching performances. You know, we had all those freaking monologues

in the first movie, but this one, you feel like you get very cohesive performances

and really get understandings of these characters, even if

they're keeping you at arm's distance. Sometimes you really feel like you get

to know who these men are and just how they operate

and that there are probably so many of them in the world.

This is true. I mean, this, this, this,

this again. And you're down to two to two men in this film.

So I think it's a more concentrated effort to say that this is how

this guy works, is how this guy works. And you know, right from jump.

And it's a real, it's real testament to Aaron Eckhart's performance, like you said.

Yeah. As bad as he is, he's. He's really, he's really amazing

in this movie. This is playing this nasty man,

you know, who's manipulative. And I

wouldn't even call him crazy because he's fully aware of what he's doing that the

whole time he, he holds. There's, there's not a point in this movie where he

does not hold all the cards.

I I know everything's gonna gone. I know how this is gonna play out.

You know, I'm gonna be with women. I'm gonna get with this girl,

and. And you know what? I'm gonna. This girl, that girl, and that girl on

the side, and she's not gonna say nothing about it, you know,

so I'm not there for the. The character,

you know, because to say, hey, this is something I'm gonna look up to.

But as far as, like, playing this. This manipulative,

manipulative douchebag Eckhart is

tops, man. So I said,

don't watch this movie, because we gave away the ending, obviously. But you know what?

If you want to watch, you know, this. This type of guy and somebody

who's really great at being this type of guy, and in an acting

sense, it just. He kills it. He kills it.

Every sense of the word. So again,

light recommend for me and you can watch this on prime

too, if. If you so choose to, because I think I look for a physical

release, and it was. It was. It was hard to

find. I couldn't find a physical releases, which. It's made by Sony.

Yeah, so. And this was still during that. That golden

period of indie films in the. In the 90s. Like, this is only three years

north of Pulp Fiction. So this was still very much in that wave of

films, and a lot of those are difficult to find on physical

media. So, yeah, I'd say go check it out. And.

And, yeah, that's about the

end of this one. We'll come back and close out the show.

Harvey, want anything special for your birthday? Just a decent

cup of coffee. You're kidding. I'm serious, honey. Your coffee's

undrinkable. It's pretty harsh. Well, so's your coffee.

You know, the girls down at the. Office make better coffee on their hot plates.

Well, see you later. And he didn't

even kiss me goodbye. You know, if I could just make a decent cup of

coffee, I could relax. So relax. Why don't you try Instant

Folgers? Tastes good as fresh perked. Good as fresh perk.

I'll surprise Harvey for his birthday tonight.

Hey, great coffee. It's Instant Folgers.

Doesn't it taste good as fresh perked? Better. Better than those girls make

at the office. Honey, their coffee

can't hold a candle to yours. Instant Folgers

taste good as fresh perked. Try it.

All right, Mike, thanks for coming on again. I really appreciate

you taking the time. Like I said before, and, you know, you've been a friend

Since I started this goddamn thing, I always contribute,

you know, my podcasting psyche.

Although your work ethic is exponentially better than mine.

To two mics, you and Mike Murphy,

formerly of the Badass Boobs and body counts podcast, and to literally,

literally, you know, give me the hand. You literally gave me the handbook on podcasting.

You literally gave me the handbook on podcasting. I still

have the. The PDF file that I intend

to give to a friend, actually, who. Who's thinking about getting

into the game. And I was like, well, well, if I could find the file,

I'm going to give it to you, or I'll ask Mike for it. And it

does have a lot of helpful things in there. I should probably think about updating

it. I mean, it's probably so out of date. I mean, I still talk about

Skype in there, and unfortunately, that's about to go the way of the dodo.

Well, I looked at it recently, and it's still.

It's kind of like Lloyd Kaufman's book.

Everything I learned about the film, I learned from Toxic Avenger.

Right? Yeah. A lot of useful stuff with that book. And of

course, his make your own movie documentary series is his video

series. I take it as like that. To where a

lot of stuff may be outdated, but a lot. I'd say 90% of

it is still very useful to a podcaster.

Good. If you're friends with Mike and you want to reach out to Mike,

I'm sure, sure. I'm sure Mike will help you out there and, you know,

set you on the right path. And I. I always appreciate you putting

me on the right path, if that means anything to you. Oh, it definitely does.

Yeah. No, I. I really respect what you do, so I'm really.

It's making me feel all warm and fuzzy.

But, Mike, you got lots of going. Lots of stuff going on. I. I know

there's. There's a. Lots of theme podcasts

on there, so if you want to lay it all out for us, if you

want to. If you want to, go for it, man. All right,

let's see if I can remember everything here. So we just wrapped up the

Life of Times of Captain Barney Miller podcast, where we talked about Barney

Miller three episodes of that per episode of our show.

We are still doing the Shabby Detective, which is yet another

Columbo podcast, and we're still

doing Midnight Viewing, which is our horror anthology. We have

moved on from Twilight Zone and went over.

We did some Night Gallery. Now we're doing Tales of the

Dark side, and it's Fantastic. I've really been enjoying going back to Darkseid.

It's been great. And then, yeah, I think there's

a few others out there. And yeah, the Chasing Chevy Chase podcast,

which is one where we talk about a different Chevy Chase movie every month.

And then my usual haunt is the projection booth, which is available

like all those other shows atweeding way media.com and

yeah. Hopefully find something that you enjoy.

There's a lot there. I never asked

about this, but didn't you. And, like, a bunch of other guys were going

to do commentaries for the Columbo Blu Ray set or something?

You know, I. They went away. The commentaries or something.

Yeah, the commentaries did go away. I was not involved

in that. I was supposed to do commentary for the second set because I

missed the boat on the first set, I think.

I don't remember if I got. I don't think I got asked to

do it, but some friends of mine were like, oh, you should ask Mike White.

He knows a lot about this. I helped out all the people that were doing

the. Oh, no, that was the Kolchak commentaries that

did happen and that I gave out all the scripts for with the Columbo stuff.

No, I was supposed to be in the second set, but the first set

got released and without the commentary, something happened,

I think with Universal, where they're like, no, no, you can't put commentaries on

these discs. Wow. Okay. Yeah,

sorry. That was a very roundabout answer, Gary. No, no, no.

I thought. I. For some reason. I thought you were involved for

some reason. Yeah, I would have if that first set kept their

commentaries. That probably would have been on the second set, which was like the ABC

years. I gotcha. Yeah. I don't know which episode they would

have given me, but I think it probably would have just been one episode.

But I can tell you that Mike has a commentary on

the brand new Demolition man disc, right, for forever. Yes.

Yeah, Very happy with that one. So if you guys haven't bought

that that's out there for mass consumption right now, and I suggest

you go grab that and maybe have some Taco

Bell and. Or Pizza Hut, depending on what region you're in, and go.

Go enjoy that. That commentary that's on that massive

Arrow release that's out there right now. Yeah. It's a beautiful box, isn't it?

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Same thing

to hear from me. I have an episode recorded,

but I was like two days old yesterday when I realized

I never released the last episode of Last Call of Torches, our Walter

Hill podcast. So you will hear the Undisputed episode

when that comes out sometime next week. And you will hear the.

The bonus for Undisputed, which was a

Charlie Band production. Arena, we did reviewed arena

for, for the bonus episode on the Legion Patreon.

Please support the Legion Patreon. You know, hosting fees,

all that stuff, it all goes to a good place.

Besides that, this next next show that comes up that you should hear and

I, I hate announcing things because stuff always happens and it comes

in. But the next one that you should hear is a brand new in the

Parade Way episode with John Cross where we

discuss the Parade jam with him.

Robert Dobby. And the

guy's name I cannot pronounce, but he played Shang Tsung in the, in the

Mortal Kombat film and carry

something. Yeah, I, yeah, I, I wouldn't try that on a

bet. Yes. And he's in the film called the. During the film called the Dangerous.

And this deserves a good release.

Again, another one of those films. There's a good release like a. Deserves a vinegar

syndrome treatment, in my opinion. But we're pairing that with our

VHS pick again, going back to Charlie Band again, doing Zone

Troopers. Oh, nice. I, I described

today as the, the most fun you'll have with the World War II film ever,

in my opinion, because I watch it today. And don't let

that cover art fool you with the fuzzy dude saying he wants you,

because it's just, it's just this wacky tale with the three

of the guys from Transfers and Timothy Van Patten and,

and going behind enemy lines in Italy in

World War II and they come across alien technology and,

you know, chaos ensues and lots of Nazis

get blasted. And that's always a good thing, right? Nazis get

blasted by Ray Gun. Oh, yeah, we can still say that. We are

still allowed to say that. But yeah,

that's coming up. It's always a good time with John Cross and.

But this is ral on this one. This has been your

Cindy podcast, where if you've got beef, I've got the grinder.

See you next time.

How about a nice easy pork

sandwich. Served in a dirty ashtray?