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Praise the Lord. for bringing us this generation

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Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait. I worry.

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was give me a lot of bacon and eggs. What I said was give me a lot of eggs.

Making names you have.

Hello folks and welcome to the Cinema Beef Podcast. I am one of your hosts, Gary Hill. With you tonight is Suzanne.

The readings.

How you doing girl?

Well, recovering from a very, very long weekend.

Yeah. She missed the cubbies for this, okay, but but they're sucking right now anyway.

Oh God, no. I I didn't even turn the game on. I'm like, I wanna be in a good mood for this.

And uh yeah, it's it's like it's like a hybrid show'cause X was supposed to be here, but he uh there's some family stuff going on or or as the fellows say he's just afraid of those torches guys. Mm. Uh this is a crossover show and I'm happy about this.

Um from the last Call of Torches podcast and the the Must be Destroyed Must Be Destroyed On Site podcast. I messed up his name already, see? Uh Lee Russell is here. How you doing, sir?

I'm doing a lot better now. Uh you know, started out the day, I got my hand blown off by a shotgun. A dog grabbed my hand and ran away with it.

And I was trying to get to Daytona today and that just got thrown out the fucking window. But I got my hand back and a f a kind witch told me everything was gonna be alright, so uh you know, I'm I'm doing all right now.

You say your personal freedom though, I just wanna know then.

Um

I mean I I I think I've discovered that uh my individualism and personal freedom are not as important as true love

This would be fun guys. Yeah, I got I got a deep seat feel on it. Also from the last call of Torches podcast and the Cinema Degeneration Family of Podcast.

Mr Cameron Scott, how are you doing, sir?

Well, I am having a much better day than Lee. I did not lose my hand. I did not have a dog run away with it.

I kinda had a rough day, but uh I've had my two drink minimum, a little shot out there, but I'm at on my second beer of the day, so I'm doing just fine.

Did you get propositioned by your mother your your wife's mother in in the bathroom somewhere or no?

Okay. I'm just checking'cause you know, it could be a thing.

Mm-hmm.

No, so far it's been a good day.

Okay, that's good. That's good. That's good. Uh we'll start the show the same way we always do. And I will ask uh Lee, what you watch the loser?

Okay, I I got two things I'll mention. Uh try try to go quick through these. Uh one very uh mainstream and one not so mainstream. So uh I watched a very good cam version of uh The Mandalorian and Grogu.

uh apparently a French cam version as there was this uh French subtitles on it and there was a nice French gentleman where I saw like the top quarter of his head down in the bottom right of my screen for the entire thing and

Uh he needs to learn to comb his hair, whoever that uh French gentleman is, but uh

Uh but yeah, I I watched it. Um I see a lot of people complain about this, uh, because it doesn't really uh progress the storylines from the T V series.

And honestly that was probably my favorite thing about it. I that it's just a standalone adventure. Now did it need to be a movie? No, this could have been like a couple episodes of the next season of the show or whatever, right?

But um for me this was probably the most fun I've had watching a Star Wars property since the uh initial three films.

Um it's r very much in the spirit of the original three Star Wars films, but it does away with all the space wizards and all the fucking

force religion bullshit and all that garbage. None of that shit. This is just what I like about Star Wars now is when you can tell like different stories within that universe and they don't have to involve Skywalkers and

Space Wizards and all that kind of bullshit. Um, you can just ground it in something else. And they do that like, you know, Andor and Rogue One kinda did that somewhat the i in in on their own terms and they're much more serious movies that I can dig

and and get get my uh teeth into. But I like some escapism as well and this is just fun movie magic. Um it's got it's got like jab of the hut sun in it.

Who's this buff space worm instead of a big fat slob space worm? Um It's got uh a bunch of practical effects in it, uh yo puppet work, it's got a Phil Tippett stop motion animation sequence in it, which I was very impressed with, and For me, you know, as a sort of classic

uh film fan who loves classic special effects and shit like that. The amount of that they put into this movie alongside the CGI stuff, uh, was enough to make me go, you know what? You know what, Star Wars

This is a pretty good Star War you game me this time around. I like it. So uh uh I I recommend it even though I know a lot of uh really uh diehard Star Wars nerds are kinda really shitting on it because it doesn't really

doesn't really progress the storylines and it doesn't, you know, tap deeper into the mythos of the universe and all that other garbage that I couldn't give two flying fucks about at this point. So uh

Uh well well done, John Favreau. You made a good Star Wars.

Well, it seems like they wanna make a pop part movie and they succeeded to me. That's it sounds like my you know

They did, they did. Tons of dumb CGI monsters and stuff in it. But in this case in st unlike the uh the prequel trilogy

There's not all the politics and the fucking trade federation bullshit and the Senate hearings and all that crap to like really muck it up. It's just like fun escapism shit and you know

Pedro Pascal and Baby Yoda doing their thing. They're cute. You love'em, you watch'em, they do their thing, it's cool. So um highly recommended, honestly. Um

My my buddy's in the same vein as you where he's kinda sick of Star Wars stuff. Uhhuh. But he said that Darth Maul series doesn't suck, so I I might check that out. Yeah.

I mean I f I feel like the the uh animated uh from what I gather the those animated series like the Rebels and all that stuff and uh this new Darth and this dude new Darth Maul one like I I feel like they kind of

They're kind of uh making up for how disappointing the prequel films actually were. They're actually like doing something with the source material and making it interesting. So, you know, good on'em for that.

They kinda fleshed out Jar Jar in the in those later series.

I'm not saying he's perfect or anything, but you know, they kinda made him they kinda fleshed him out, they gave him something to do, you know.

Huh, be so racist.

Ha ha ha.

Uh the other the other one I'll I'll mention, uh this is uh one from twenty twenty five. It's a uh Canadian made uh horror film. It's called uh Buffet Afinit Infinity. Um

This is set in uh Alberta, Canada. It is It it's present it presents itself like a uh mixtape like mix VHS tape collection of recorded commercials, like localized commercials for like uh

food joints and like lawyers and uh you know, v uh you know, pawn shops and stuff like that. Um and they're all centralized commercials from this local area around this sort of uh shopping center.

that uh has recently had a sinkhole appear in its back parking lot.

And as you watch them, you you start like picking up little connections between the different commercials and how one of the commercials for this uh place called Buffet Infinity

Is slowly kind of taking over the other businesses in this little strip mall. And uh

I think it works pretty well. It's it's a it's a nice little bit of kinda like a little bit liminal horror, a little bit found footage, a little bit

uh cosmic horror. Um I think by the end of it it kinda falls falls apart a little bit, uh maybe pushes a little too far into like what it's obviously about. But

For the most part I enjoyed it a lot. Like if you enjoy

Kim and Eric or if you enjoy like the the the too many cooks um shit, uh this might be for you. It's it's got a lot of those same vibes.

So um well worth checking out.

Cool, Cameron.

Uh well I've been to uh been to the movies quite a few times in the last couple of weeks. I went to go see Obsession. And uh actually believe the hype, the movie is fucking phenomenal if you haven't seen it.

might be my contender for best movie of the year, at least so far.

uh, you know, for a YouTube guy, not to disparage YouTube guys, but uh for primarily a YouTube uh presence uh

that Curry Barker that directed that knows what the fuck he's doing. He just creates oodles and oodles of fucking atmosphere and tension and I know a lot of people are on the fence about it.

You know, some people love it, some people hate it. But uh I really thought it was really good. Uh me and Patty went to go see that. We went to go see

uh passenger last night. That was uh an okay film. I I liked it, didn't love it. It's got franchise written all over, especially with the ending I won't give away. But it's one of those endings is it's like it's born and bred for a sequel.

Uh also went to go see'cause I'm a nineties kid, I had to go see Mortal Kombat two.

Like how how's you know, it's been thirty years since the original's couple of movies and they have not gotten the CGI to work any better?

Well the thing about about the original is uh the go when they had Goro in the movie, I loved that he was half guy in a suit and half CGI. So it kinda worked for me in that sense.

Yeah.

But yeah, we've been watching uh watch those as far as T V going. The only thing we've been into since most of our shows that we watch have been uh either cancelled or they're on high aid is we've started watching Ryan Murphy's The Beauty.

Which is you know kinda like It's a brother sister show to American horror story, but uh it was we watched Power Through uh about half that season in the last week and it's weird.

weird and I don't know I don't know what to think of it. Is this is if it's as if uh David Lynch went and directed American Horror stories.

Okay.

Mm-hmm.

about halfway through that one myself and I just hit a point where I'm like I'm just not sure how I feel about where this is going right now.

I'm sure I'll get back to it eventually.

Yeah. Well we went through like half that season. Now we're gonna finish off the last half of uh Tulsa King and then I think we'll go back to uh

The beauty. But yeah, that's pretty much what I've been watching. Oh, oh, oh, I did go see uh a late night showing a Hokum last week. Oh. That that was kinda like a good like

Almost like an Italian made horror. It had like a lot of Italian flair, like shades of the beyond to it. And it's is a Fulci directed of the fucking shining.

That's the best way I can describe it.

You just sold me on uh finally getting around to watching that.

Yeah, we'll say.

To see that since it came out because I loved Oddity.

Mm yeah, oddity's great.

Yeah, I didn't was awesome.

But yeah, this one I I think I probably like a little bit better than Oddity. It's a little bit more atmospheric. It takes place in a little little hotel in the middle of nowhere. Uh Andrew Scott, not Andrew Scott, Adam Scott is in it.

He plays a an asshole writer that's basically the shades of Stephen King if he was just a walking talking prick.

Yeah, he's uh he he he's not a likable protagonist, but like I I

Mm-hmm.

But they couldn't get Justin Long for this role'cause he's getting sick of beat getting beat up so much and they got him start for this role, so you know.

Yeah, yeah.

I wouldn't b I wouldn't buy Justin Long as a writer anyway.

He's that guy though with a lot of things. Like, yeah.

Can I feel bad for a little bit, you know? Like, yeah, you can speed up a lot, that just means.

Yeah. I like I like'em better as just like the slimy sex offense douchebag, you know, like in Barbarian or whatever. Like it's just

Right, right.

If they were just a long roll ever, Brandon Satan Randy from Zack and Mary Makeuporno is his best I'll be your Sherpa of the Mountain of Gaines.

Not even make me want to watch Zack and Mary.

It's a good movie it is. So w one day guys, one day.

Oh boy. Suzanne, what you were watching, girl?

Uh just I to be honest, I've not been watching a lot of movies lately. I've just had no attention span. But I've been watching a lot of you know, the darker crime dramas.

I just finished season three of The Sinner last night. Wait.

Highly recommended. I never really thought Bill Pullman could pull off something like that because he's always just been kind of the kind of goofy, charming but not quite put together guy.

And I'm really I've enjoyed that. The first season I really didn't care for'cause I don't like the actress that was the main in that one. It was uh Jessica Beale. She just has a face like a horse and it irritates me.

And I watched Three Pines and that

Uh that I'm really mad at that show. They ended the series

on a cliffhanger and I'm like, There's gotta be something. They have to do something. It ended a couple of years ago. They're never gonna do anything. No. So that leaves it to me to probably have to go read the books, which, you know, hey Twist my arm and to lighten up the load with all the dark

Prime dramas I've been watching. I've been I have a Brit Box subscription and I'm loving every second of it.

So I'm watching Are You Being Served and laugh like a loon every single morning with my coffee.

And watching the Cubs plummet. So that's pretty much been what I've been watching for the past couple of weeks.

Uh one thing I'll talk about for sure is I I probably show that we lost. I mean we recorded the one show and we didn't didn't record it, so I'll talk about this film right now. I watched Slanted, uh, which is the new new horror film.

bot body horror. But an Asian girl who who basically wants to be accepted by everybody, so she finds an experimental place to make her white. Okay, put it that way. And

Yeah, yeah, she does this and I I say this girl's gonna look like a McKenna Grace and guess who plays the the the white virtuous Asian girl. It's McKenna Grace, which I'm I'm not I'm not mad at. I I like her as an actress and I met her in Percy's very very nice

But yeah, the whole idea of this film, you know, I I I get like, you know, the whole idea of she's Asian, there's a lot of struggles for Asians, you know, and her parents came to the country, they they had nothing.

She's feeling th you know, that she's struggling, yada yada yada.

But if I were to tell my Italian grandmother that I was gonna go to a clinic to say, you know what? I don't wanna be Italian anymore. I think she'd fucking beat the shit out of me. You know I'm just throwing out.

Oh there.

Th these parents when she goes home and she's a white.

They're first of all like who the fuck are you? But at the same time they have to accept her and then let her live in the house. I I tell her to stay at a fucking friend's house myself, like you you just get the fuck out now'cause

I mean, as much as I'm joking, this film's got a lot of heart to it, you know,'cause There's conversations that happened with with with the parents and And uh the father the father especially, you know, we we we came to the country and you were born.

you know, I see your I seen your grandmother but I see nothing now and yada yada yada. But yeah, the the whole idea of the film is is kind of bonkers and It but it works it works it works more than the substance, let's put it let's put it that way.

The where I I accepted you know the the emotional heft that what it went with all of this.

Not that I'm like, Hey, Jerry, but you're a white, you know about I'm a lot of things. You know, so

But my my my l my my my last name I m my my family king to L Asylum was O Hill with an apostrophe but that was cut off obviously. And and

If you ch i if you could change that one thing about you, you know, what'd you do it? But I'm not I'm not in her position, but at the same time

If I wasn't her position, you know, well what would you do things? But you know, I it at the same time it the whole idea of it is fucking it's fucking crazy. It's kinda like

I'm I'm looking I'm look I'm looking at the pictures of the two uh the two lead uh uh girls in the

Man, I'm I'm glad they picked McKenna Grace to like really pretty things up because, you know, that that chin girl, she's just horrific looking, right? Like just so awful. Jesus, man.

Yeah, well I like the more than the substance I'm not gonna lie to you. Um And bush my lighter favorites, Star Wars related.

You turn on Disney Plus, you discover that the the old Star Wars shit is on there, the old the old movies, like uh the Ewok ones, you know what I'm saying? Oh yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh yeah.

So I just started to watch Caravana Courage and you know what? They're they're not bad movies. They still have the the still tipping effects of'em and stuff, but you know you start to realize when you don't like'em. And it's those fucking kids.

Yeah. You wish they'd fucking die like in the first half an hour. But they gotta come back with a sequel, baby, so I guess, you know, they don't die in the first half an hour.

But um yeah, for like made for TVs I think I think they're made for T V.

Yeah, I believe they were. I believe you're correct. I don't think they went to theaters.

So yeah, I watched them on the Disney Channel when I was super young.

No oh come on, do I like anything that would be considered normal for somebody like me? No.

Plus they they they always skirt the side issue of the fact that they're fucking cannibals and they're eating the storm troopers. They never show it. Right. That's the problem. If they had shown it it'd be like, okay, way better but no, they had to like spin these off into

family friendly franchise opportunities. So that's what they do.

Yeah.

Yeah, if if you made them cannibals, it'd be a whole different ballgame for me.

Uh-huh.

Well, first of all, when Leia gets there, she's wearing her her tr her trooper clothes obviously.

Did they have like secret Ewok artisans that made this dress? No, they fucking ate some woman and then gave her the dress they found out this woman. It just a th.

Sure, but they did but the the the problem is the movie never fucking tells us this. It just it's just like oh no it's fine. Th these these these cute little space bears got her address from the fairy princess.

Well it's funny'cause you know, they have you know, predator traps that can like smash at ass in the inside of the heads, you know, or uh

All those people are dying.

I'm sorry nerds. A T S Ts. I'm sorry.

Whatever. You know.

I don't wanna get I don't wanna get refermented by the fucking nerd council.

Powerware vehicles run.

We get a we get a good ad at scene in uh Mandalorian and Grogu by the way.

Yeah.

Yeah, I saw a clip of that.

Yeah, it was pretty.

Yeah.

Good wrestling weekend, I will say that.

Enjoyed Saturday night's main event and the raw preceding it actually. Um I think it's hilarious this Dan Housing Curse of thing with the New York Knicks, I'm not gonna lie to ya. It's just um

He's having the feud with Miz. If you guys don't know, he's having the feud with the Miz. The Miz is from Cleveland. So the the Dan Houses put a curse on the Cleveland Cavaliers.

And now the Knicks are playing the Cavaliers and they're they won like twelve games in a row or something.

So I think it's hilarious that that it's working out for for the Danhausen curse in real life. I don't even know. But uh

You gotta give him his props, he has to work with all the bullshit.

the best push that Danhausen's ever had in his life, so

I think he deserves it at this point. If the the gimmick is working and I said that y from the beginning, like yeah, as as a backstage personality I think he would be he would excel.

You know, where he's going.

You should host you should host a horror show. You should be a horror host on a horror show, is what he should be.

Four housing.

Horrorhousing. Horrorhousing. Yeah. You could always you could always play away. You could have his his wife dress up in the ma in the makeup and call him Horhausen and No, I called you I called you horrorhousen dear, like I always do.

Double uh double on tundra for sure, man.

Yeah, so that they were both good and of course the A. W. um the double or nothing, I forget which one it was, but

Yeah, a after after the spoils I watched and I I enjoyed my time with it pretty pretty well and you know you I've I haven't been enjoying this stuff all that much but you know, related to that Um W D V has released uh a new a new part of a s um

season of the biography series and I've enjoyed the way these have come together and the way these are made and

I wasn't alive really much when the Von Ericks were doing their thing. I was really, really young it towards the tail end of it'cause I I remember Texas Tornado being a thing in the W W E that's about nine size of uh the Von Eric's and um you kinda get angry that when you watch this two part thing

That that movie is a thing?

Yeah, that movie is terrible.

They leave no I I liked it but they leave a lot of stuff out and

No, it it wor it wor it works fine as a drama and all that, but like if you know the real life shit, it's just like this movie is wrong.

No, I mean they completely left out one of the sons.

And they kind of they way glossed over. The timeline was completely fucked.

It was so out of order, but I mean uh for what it was, yeah, it was a great little drama, but if you know anything about the van Eriks, you know it was, you know, mostly fiction.

It it it it basically reads as what it is, is uh the the guy who who did the mo who wrote and directed the movie or whatever is some British dude who's like, How in the fuck do you know what went on in Texas in the late eighties?

Right.

Bye.

And I've from reading blog posts and probably reading The Wrestling Observer or something and like piecing it all together and then making a bunch of shit up. And that's what that movie is. So

Yeah, and they paint Fritz as like a big villain in that movie and

It's a bit more complicated than that.

Yeah if you wa if you watch what's going on there he's just Doing what any other family man would do in that situation's was protecting his sons, you know, no matter what they did and you know And protecting protecting the family the family business really.

Mm-hmm. I mean you can argue the methods and whether it it it you know, whether it uh leaks into child abuse and stuff like that, but like Uh the the way he's depicted is you know.

Not quite fair.

No, not really.

Yeah.

We can't we can't gloss past the the ultimately shitty casting and Rick Valeria.

Exactly.

What were they thinking?

Yeah, they want things.

And and that that was just terrible and the uh and honestly d as good as the leads are playing the Von Erich boys, um

they really undersell how big those guys kinda were. Especially like uh Kevin and Carrie, who were just big athletic motherfuckers and um It's just it it doesn't really come across in the movie when you watch it like how like these big musc like these you know like

Six two, six three, fucking two hundred and forty pounder kind of guys doing stuff that like light heavyweights would do in the ring. Like just pure pure athletes.

Yeah, Zach Zach Efron's built, I'm not I'm not gonna lie to you. But uh he he's a goddamn midget, he really is.

A foot too short. Literally a foot.

Oh gosh. But yeah, these are really good. These I I love these these biography uh series. They have that one, two parter is another horseman one because people need that in their life, another goddamn horseman uh di uh the documentary.

And uh the fourth yeah, the fourth one was the the Road Warriors.

I know.

Did they also do the Hulk Hogan one? Were they responsible for that?

That's on Networks, I think.

That's on Netflix, okay.'Cause I uh the one thing I watched was like episode three, I think it was, where Werner Herzog of all people shows up for a brief moment to talk about Hokongan, you know he's like

I love Zahokogan. I don't want to know what his real name is.

I just I don't want to know what his real name is. It would just kill the mystery of this gigantic man.

I'm not gonna watch this dog. God damn it.

Oh god, I haven't even touched the one that's on not-flagshot.

Yeah, I I had no interest in any of the other stuff. It's just like my my friend Greg told me, he's like, Oh, I was I watched the whole thing and I enjoyed it. I was like, Okay, good for you And he's like, Werner Herzog's in an episode I'm like, What?

Yeah, Werner Hurz they just bring Werner Herzog out of the blue to talk about Hulk Hogan. It's like okay I'll watch that part.

I watched anything with burnt.

I had a little conversation with somebody, it was Willis of all people.

He's talking about oh, Oak was a racist, yada yada yada it's like, Yeah, but you know, for a long, long time, you know, when he came out, you know, the crowd was lit because he was that big. He was big in the States, he's big in Japan, he's big everywhere, so

You can't deny that the the power of Holcomania when Holcomania was big, you know.

Yeah.

Help build the company. Yeah. I can't say enough about that.

I was watching got I was I think babysitting my cousin overnight. He was huge Hulk Hogan fan. Got permission to stay up. Remember those late night Saturday main events?

Oh yeah, Saturday night.

And he had his Hulk Hogan doll out and Hulk was lo that I think Hulk even lost and he was

About ready to start throwing that doll all over the place. I'm like, Nope, nope, nope, bad. But And I'm like, oh dear lord.

Oh no stories are playing too.

Oh that might have been the that might have been the one where uh where uh the the the Hebner brothers they switched the referee where you know it was it was one of the Hebner brothers was the dirty referee, the twin twin referees.

Oh yeah.

Yeah. I remember I remember watching that with my grandfather.

Now was it a little Russ was the little Hulk Hogan doll or was it one of the big boys?

It was, you know, the one that was like maybe thirteen, fourteen inches tall. It was kinda rubbery.

Yeah, the LGM on the bugger.

They're they're a little less rough than throwing those original die cast transformers at your brother or sister.

Yeah.

Oh. Those are really well done. But I know the the wife of uh

Laronitis um Hawk I think. Hawk? Yeah. The alcoholism angle that they they play there and it it was a big deal of course, but yeah He was trying to get better towards the end of his life but they didn't mention that so but

Yeah, unfortunately, you know, even even those guys like the just the amount of stuff they did in the eighties, like i it catches up with you, right? Even if you're trying to go clean, it's just like

Your life expectancy isn't that great. Speci not even so much like the steroids and stuff. It honestly it's a lot more just the the fucking shit the cocaine does to your heart. It's just like yeah.

What's the couple of things? Cocaine's bad for you?

Yeah.

Cocaine.

Okay.

And the immortal world Rick Jane.

It's like uh Alter Warrior. He he came he kinda made amends with a lot of people.

C come on the Hall of Fame, I think it was, and then like Rob the next night and like like a day later he was dead. It's almost like he writing was on the wall or something, you know.

The all the stories I hear of him, even you know, like oh he was trying to make amends, it just sounds like he was a afraid little bitch. He talked a lot of shit about people and then whenever people tried to confront him he just ran away like

Kevin Nash has good stories about like trying to go to his gym and stuff in Arizona or whatever and meet with him and shit and like he ghosted him for the longest time until Kevin Nash

Like fucking confronted him in a br in a in a fucking parking lot. Like, do we have heat, brother? Like what the fuck's going on here? Jesus Christ.

How about the great and powerful Oz?

Great and powerful Oz, yes. Or Vinnie Vegas. Vinnie Vegas.

Yeah. Yeah, names. Yeah, that what was J. R's idea, him having it come out that big green outfit though.

Um no I think that was a Kevin Sullivan thing.

Yeah,'cause'cause Kell Kevin Sullivan came out as his manager a couple of times. There was one event where he came out with a monkey.

And the monkey legit committed suicide. It basically jumped off of Kevin Sullivan and hit the floor and died, I think. So it's yeah.

Oh you could hail the Taskmaster, man, that's all I'm saying about that.

Oh gosh. It's better for me though. Um wrestling. It's a wonderful thing.

Um but yeah tonight we're we're continuing our series of the Rumble Without a Pause uh series and uh this is gonna be a good one, I got a feeling. Um

Basically doing a Willem Dafoe double double build, the one ones where he's the what he's the rebel and ones where he's, you know, chasing with the rebel, you know, so we're we're gonna go for that. And we're doing uh the Loveless, uh from nineteen eighty one.

I think that's Catherine Bigelow's debut. I think that's what this is. Yeah. Pr pretty good. And uh first David Lynch on the show ever. Uh

Wow.

'Cause I'm not I'm not I'm not a I'm not a huge lunch guy I guess one of those

I think that's a good thing.

Entry level ones for him.

I fell into tw Twin Peaks after he died'cause I was curious and I really dug on that, you know, but um I digress. We were doing Wild at Heart, uh starring Nicholas Cage.

Uh Laura Dern and Laura Dern's mama. Uh Diane Ladd. Lul Lula's mama. Yes indeed. Uh we'll get right into the Loveless after the trailer.

Here they come as tough.

They come.

Which way are you coming from?

Yeah.

It don't matter which way I'm coming from.

Switch way I'm going.

I know.

I could send you a little bit.

I don't want them in here and I don't want to sit.

Like the town?

They're animals.

They're a bunch of

to leave town.

The Love List of 1981, uh your cheap applied synopsis is this? Coming of age. Come on, IMDB. Go fuck yourself.

Yeah, exactly. That's right there. Coming of age drama on the bottom.

Uh trouble ensues when a motorcycle gang stops in a small southern town while heading heading to the races in the d ad Daytona. There we go.

What are we at here? Here we go. Cast um Willem Dafoe as as as Vance.

Uh Robert Gordon as Davis.

Marin Cantor as as Toyina.

J Don Ferguson is Tarver. I recognize these folks, but I I I couldn't tell you from where. I'm not gonna lie to you.

Yeah.

Tina Lahatsky as sportster Debbie. Um really

What a n what a what a name.

Yeah, I'm sure that was her god given name too.

Sure, of course.

Uh Lawrence Mason as Laville. Danny Rosen as Ricky. Philip K Kimbrough as Hurley. Uh it goes on. Let's see if they'll say something soon, but soon you want to name here. Um

But y yeah. Um yeah this is a good one. I I enjoyed this one actually and the simpleness of it. Directed by K Catherine Bigelow.

Monty Montgomery, who is actually the producer on Wild at Hearts.

Okay, cool. Check then, see?

Oh, okay. I didn't realize there was another connection there.

Yes, her it's her first debut, uh Captain Bigelow of Near Dark Fame and of course the Hurt Locker and Um Blue Steel, uh she directed, which is I think is an underrated film from the nineties.

That's the thing. We leave joined in it.

Um but yeah, um I'll start with uh one of the fellows first. Cameron, what'd you think of the film, sir?

Well, for a first time watch I was pretty impressed. It reminded me of an old Corman era movie. Mm. You know, it it was a little slow. If I felt like if they had cut out all the cigarette smoking and the beer drinking the movie it would have been like twenty five minutes long'cause half the movie was like

You got smokes. You got smokes. Give me a smoke.

Other than that kind of tired exploitive uh kind of thing, I I I I really enjoyed it for a first time watch. I mean, uh admittedly I have no history with this movie. I'd heard of it over the years, just never seen it.

I did not know until I was halfway through it and I decided to Wikipedia some stuff that this was William Dafoe's first credited role.

Yeah. So I mean talk about a you know breakthrough performance. Uh I really liked him as Vance. Uh he had a lot of attitude for days.

It th how simplistically shot. It wasn't trying to be anything that it wasn't. It wasn't an action movie. It wasn't a drama. It wasn't a comedy. It was all like a nice mixture of everything.

And I had to stop and at certain points and look up some of the lingo because sometimes I didn't know what the hell they were talking about.

I was just like looking up 50s era, 60s era lingo, and I'm like, okay, this makes a lot more sense now. But you know, beautiful imagery, beautiful cars.

you know, beautiful bikes. It was this a product of his time. It it it just seemed to me to like a movie that Corbin would have produced in the mid to late fifties.

And I really liked it. I like Catherine Bigelow a lot. I love the Hurt Locker, fucking Near Dark, one of my top ten favorite movies of all time. And she you know, broke broke out of the gate with this one pretty well. I I I enjoyed it quite a bit.

Suzanne.

Also, first time watch for me. It it I'd heard of it.

I'd seen trailers for it. There was a point in time just because Blue Underground was the one who was releasing most of the Italian stuff. I'd hit their website every couple of days just to see what new trailers they had.

And I remember watching this one quite a few times, thinking one of these days I'm gonna watch that.

But yeah, I was really surprised

Willem Lafoe it just came into this as a full fledged actor. This may be his first credited role. He just He has a presence that is undeniable.

I'm my favorite Willem Defoe though he'll he'll always be Rick Masters to me.

But I really have to admit I fell into this pretty hard.

I was I I agree with Cam. It just it got a little long in spots. I I I get it. You're drinking, you're smoking. The bikes were amazing to look at.

And I just got like this one feeling throughout the whole thing and it was just disillusioned.

Yes, definitely.

Everybody was, you know, the guys that he was riding with they met in prison. It's like everybody it seems at the time that they they it was being portrayed in everybody was just Unhappy.

And they end up stuck in this little town with once again a group of people that are just unhappy and there's like it's it's like uh weird Lord of the Rings because the head guy in town who owns everything and everyone It just

Mm-hmm.

Lords over them. And then these guys come in, everyone's trying not to like them, but everybody's like, you can't help but like.

Be them. And so no one's being outright terrible to them except, you know.

That dude whose name I just I literally just completely spaced out his name.

Tarver.

What a perk that guy was.

Oh yeah, I mean the way he treated his daughter

And the ending I I have to admit, the ending blindsided me a little bit. I thought that was gonna go a completely different way.

I truly thought something bad was gonna happen to Vance in the cr And that's not the case and I hated I have to but not hate, but I I was left pretty numb after let's just say the final gunshot.

That was a gut punch, wasn't it?

Yeah, it was. But I was really impressed for being a first outing for Katherine Bigelow.

you just got like I said, it was just this straight up feeling.

Uh y you you felt it, it just came through in waves.

of that these guys, this era, these just almost this repressed tale.

At this I'm so

Compressed is a good word.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I was I mean I wrote like pages and notes and I'm like there's um no reason to even look at them because this was

completely the through feeling for me and the way it was conveyed. And it was the ending is a gut punch. You're you le you're left numb. You're and it just

They're saddling up on their bikes, like, okay, now let's blow this pop stand. And what, onto the next the well, on to Daytona to hopefully catch the last race.

Yeah, like I mean we don't even know like if they ever make it.

And you truly get that feeling that if Tarver and his dumbass brother decided to kill those guys, nothing would ever happen.

No.

And that was also another strong feeling I mean I it I was really surprised at these strong feelings I got watching this. So yeah, that's pretty much how I felt about the whole thing.

Oh boy!

Yeah, so I've I've seen this before. I own it. Uh I got the Blue Underground uh D V D here. Um I've had it since when it came out in two thousand four, so uh

Uh I have watched this a couple of times. Uh I'd I r I originally grabbed it'cause I had seen I'd seen um

uh the uh Catherine Bigelow's other stuff and I was like, Well, where did she come from? Where did she start? It's like, Oh, Blue Underground's got this, all right, I'm gonna check this out and see what this is and

I was blown away even back then seeing us like what? Th this is not like any biker movie I've seen before. Um I'd I'd actually push back a little bit on Cameron um saying this is kind of the biker movie Roger Corman would do.

We did a Roger Corman biker movie on my podcast together. We did the Wild Angels which is super exploitative and super like uh just wild and c and crazy and like transgressive.

Where you know, we we both came from came out of that talking about how much we didn't like the main characters'cause we're all basically just a bunch of fucking Nazis. And yeah. Uh

I remember that discussion.

Yeah. We were more just like, Oh the soundtrack's really good. At least least you can watch the movie for the soundtrack but l like pretty much our protagonists are all Nazis, so

Uh maybe not watch this movie. Um but this movie this movie is pretty much

Hey, I'm Catherine Bigelow and I just got out of film school and I'm gonna show it to you. Um because

There are a lot of long takes. There's a lot of like long takes of people walking into diners ordering food or ordering like cigarettes or ordering a drink or whatever and then smoking or drinking or whatever.

Um there's there's a lot of like lingering shots and stuff like that.

Uh the some some of the shot compositions are very nice and pretty, you know, kind of thing. And, you know, so, you know, Catherine Bigelow and Montgomery here showing off a little bit with with their chops. Um But yeah, I I think Suzanne immediately kinda like hit into

where this film's going and what we're gonna talk about. Um this film's really and I also I think I don't know if Gary planned this, but also this I think connects to what David Lynch is doing in the next movie we're gonna talk about. It's very much about the myth of the American dream and

deconstructing that, like the actual reality of the American dream. Like this is not an exploit of

biker movie. This is a biker movie that's like presented like what would really happen if Marlon Brando and his gang from the Wild Angels drove into a town somewhere? What would really happen?

How how would it really play out? It would be a lot of them sitting around doing nothing. And it would be a lot of like, you know, the the people in the town who don't like'em stewing in the background looking to make a confrontation happen.

Um it wouldn't be like a lot of theatrical stuff, it wouldn't be a lot of like hijinks and shit. It would just be a lot of waiting around and hanging out. And I think this movie kind of getting

to the h heart of that really well. And at the same time, uh Suzanne talking about how like how everyone seems really sad in this.

Yeah, everyone's stuck. Everyone's stuck. The the the whole town is stuck in this like idea of like the idealized nineteen fifties American dream, but these are all just like Blue collar people.

stuck in this not even like it's it's not even really a town. Like when Willem Defoe comes in is like, is this a truck stop or is this a fucking town? And it's like, good question. Good fucking question because it seems like it could be either one of those things.

That question's never really answered either. Yeah.

Uh so like their their like nihilism is

pitched to a high degree. The town is fucking depressed and nihilistic. They see these bikers and there's like a hint of like, oh, this is what freedom might be like.

And that's why the town is actually kinda so excited by having them in here. Like a couple of people hate'em, but most of them are like Well, they're no they're no trouble. They're just passing through. Like they're excited by them. So um

I'll I'll throw over the floor to Gary. I won't get too d like I'll wait for the actual discussion about the film and stuff, but love this film a lot. Um so we we'll get into it.

It's kinda like yeah, appropriate that we're doing this together. Yeah, as torches guys'cause uh This could be y your your your your your turning point here of like when Reben Shattuck went bad and and just holding the streets of fire because uh

Oh, yeah.

He's wearing the leathers but you're like something may have happen on the road to where like, you know what, he said fuck this shit, you know, I just like kind of zone.

He had to he had to get that job off of this performance, right? Like come on.

W with the goddamn waiters on. Come on now. Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I I think it's like a th that that little three hundred yeah, it's kinda funny. Like it some have another rover you can share with that.

Uh well, I liked how the film opens, you know, where he he pull he pulls over to go help the you know, help the lady with her tire.

But she's still really apprehensive, really shitty. She's locking the doors and stuff and really unappreciative of his help and, you know He asked for some for the effort, but you know, since she's so shitty he takes her whole wallet and just says, You know, I'm take all the money out of here'cause

You're being kinda rude to me, so you know uh I tried to Субтитры сделал DimaTorzok

He also he also seduces her though because as the ti as the you know, the wheel change goes on

She's starting to like obviously visibly getting turned on by'em. Yeah. And like kind of kind of

Oh yeah. I mean I mean th if if I was like

Further on the f

Fucking spectrum if I was just out of like basic bitch cis white male heterosexual man, if I was further down the spectrum, fucking Willem Dafoe would be on my li short list of like I wanna fuck this dude because god damn does he look good in this movie, man.

Yeah, that's one thing I like about the film though. It's like the the the whole idea of you you get every biker film you've seen until now till this came out I imagine.

Yeah, there's there's a lot of cruelty there, you know, in these bikers and there's not a lot of cruelty here. They're just they're just kind of passing through as they go to these races. I mean, they're still like young punks, you know, they're doing young punk things, you know.

drinking too much, throwing stuff around. But they're just they're just going to the to this, you know, this stopping point'cause one guy's bike broke down.

And these people kind of accept of it, with the exception of, you know, the one asshole.

I mean they they l they let'em use their garage, you know, to to fix the bike. You know. That would never happen and and even the you know, l little little points of the film were either in the garage.

And the guy wants to make make conversation with a film mechanic, you know, see do you guys like stock cars and stuff like that? It's just it's it's kind of a change of pace for these microfilms and I I I really like that that that aspect a lot and I I I will say uh

Maybe a lot of these bikes were provided by I don't even know what they're provided by but I'm sure it's very large.

They had to be provided by Harley. Everything everyone was wearing Harley Harley

Yeah.

And all the bikes were Harley's was a a bunch of ultra classics. Sorry, my husband rides a bike. I know Oh, you're cool.

And I'll and I'll you know, it's also kinda just funny, like one of the characters is called Hurley and even has a belt buckle with Hurley, you know, embossed on it and shit.

Yeah, we got a long shot of his belly button and the belt buckle, and apparently they were trying to show off the bulge, which I don't know, I didn't see it.

It was uh it felt like an inflated bulge, let's put it that way.

Yeah. Somebody has stopped the, you know,

Whoops.

Roll of quarters in his pants.

Ha ha.

Yeah, or dimes. Yeah.

Ha ha ha.

Yeah, but these p this film showcased those bites very well and from my read that it's they're they're they're they're

time appropriate for the film. They're from the fifties, so mm-hmm. And so between that and the Coca Cola Corporation, I imagine that's what paid for this film.

Yeah. That old that old that old vintage vending machine where they're all just sucking down Cokes all fucking day, yeah.

Yeah, I mean I think we've that Coke machine got some pretty solid screen time.

I was reading that the budget on this movie was only like eight eight hundred grand.

I didn't know.

Back in eighty one, I mean that was a bit bit more of a

Uh that f feels high even.

Yeah it does.

That's probably mostly for the music licensing.

That that would be it. Although, you know, like I mean uh one of the stars in this, Robert Gordon, is you know or was. He's he's he died in twenty twenty two but um he he was a prominent

a both like punk rock musician and later in his career became more famous as a rockabilly revivalist musician and he did most of the score for this, so

I've seen that. I was gonna look that up.

Yeah that was I never looked that up last night I'd find on it. All right.

Oh oh he's he's yeah he's great and like uh especially in the seventies he did a bunch of collabs with Link Ray. Um they played played together a lot. He was Link Ray did guitar on a bunch of his stuff, so yeah, they're all that stuff's really good.

Gotta find some of the stuff now.

I'm happy too!

'Cause uh that's the big strength of this film too is the soundtrack, you know, th well both both films actually, the mixture of the s of the score, you know, stuff like that and it mixed with with with the other songs that are in the film.

And uh it really plays well throughout the film and um yeah, then like Suzanne mentioned that that was a real gut punch'cause that girl was She was tragic, you know, she she she got the Defoe hog in the one scene where do you ever wanna see half a Defoe's penis?

It is an angle where we're

See you next time.

You get to see it.

You get some you get some stim. Let's put it that way. It's it's like it's it's like in Roadhouse with Sam Elliott. You get a little stim. Get a little stim, you know.

And then pull back on a widened up shot to get the full Zambu on there.

No.

You have a half the defo hog but at the same time she all the defo hog in that movie. So

Yeah.

I'm not sure if there was penny going on there in real life, but it seemed like there was, okay?

But I mean that that's just another connection to the next movie where it's like you have another m female lead who is a victim of domestic abuse.

Yeah she ta she takes a different way out than Laura Dern does in the next movie, but I mean there there is still a there is still a pretty solid connection there. Like I

I'm I'm not convinced you didn't plan this out, Gary. Come on.

I've never seen this, I've seen the other one. Oh, I I couldn't have done that.

God you could you could you could you could edit this just like I am a brilliant genius who paired these perfect movies together.

Yeah, instead of it being a happy coincidence.

Mm-hmm. I'll I'll leave it to the professionals like uh El Coro from Talk Without Rhythm. I'll leave I'll eat profession bad professionals to do that. Come on now.

Yeah. That motherfucker with that voice.

Oh man. Amazing. But uh I digress. No, but this is great though. I'm I I love Captain Bigelow as a director. I think she's uh I got to meet uh Jackie Kong w with with a cousin my cousin's oldest one time at a committee.

Yeah.

But I told her you should admire this woman and I'll tell you why, like'cause she was doing this when it was just a boys' club out there.

And Captain Bigelow is no exception to that to that the statement. She was doing this.

when it was a very male dominated directing, you know,'cause world and I had a whole discussion with my sister we were talking about Sherry Martel of all people

I was like, Yeah, Sherry was wrestling in the women's division here when when Mooler was running the show and uh but Mooler didn't fuck around back in those days, but you know

Moolah did not fuck around.

But that was their only option that to work for Moolah, obviously. But yeah, we but this is a very male dominated world. The direct it it still kinda is. But there's a lot more opportunities now for for women directors, but there was like

none of'em making genre cinema back in those days. Except for Jackie and and Catherine obviously and maybe like a couple other select ones.

It's a fucking

genre boundaries. She I mean, look at the Hurt Locker, look at this, look at Near Dark. She's handles so many different subject matters that you wouldn't expect a woman to do.

She's a much more thoughtful director than her ex-husband.

Yeah.

Uh and of course you know, of course it it helped that she had connection with being married to James Cameron for the longest time or whatever, but like her talent like y yeah, her talent fucking

uh just speaks volumes like i you you can see it on the screen and everything she did. And uh you know, talk about Jackie Kong, it's just like it's a fucking crime that she did not make more movies.

Yeah, she's she's probably like I can see I can tell you that though. I could tell you that from just talking to her. Yeah. She does a comic book now, I think I forget what it's called now, but look up Jackie Kong uh comic book. She does a whole comic book series now, so I gotta I gotta shout that out.

Um Yeah, this movie I I really I really dug and and for first time I watched it I watched it I watched it more than once actually. I watched both bills more than once. And uh

I really enjoy our time with it. W Willem Dafoe. O out of the gate, y you know he's gonna be a star.

I I I love I love the people around him. I l I love his his gang. I mean I mentioned um Sportser, um w whatever her name is.

I think she's

Real Swordster Debbie, yeah.

Of course for Debbie. I think she's a real strong female character, you know, amongst all these fucking bo hunks, you know, hang hang hanging around.

She's very sex positive. Like she's she's tangentially hooked up with Robert Gordon's Davis. But like you know, she's not above and beyond like s sitting outside the the bar and like

Fucking some dude against the wall at the bar, you know, like yeah, and then she'll go back to her man, you know. She's she's very uh poly uh coded.

Yeah, yeah, and I like the bet the fact that her dude doesn't give her any shit when she comes back in. You could tell like she's got the bedroom hair and everything and she he just looks at her kind of thing.

I'm sorry.

Yeah.

One button undone and everything and just he just kinda looks at her like, Oh, you have fun? Okay.

Yeah, and and and while that was happening he him and all the other dudes in the bar were enjoying the uh the waitress from the diner doing a strip tease.

Yeah.

In those old night oh those old nineteen fifties uh white underwear, which I was like, Yeah, you know, I kinda like that.

I mention Coca Cola being, you know, a a star of the film. I think that fucking Worldless Worldless Rejuke Box was a big star of the film too in my opinion. I think I think it's beautiful and I wish I had one like before my goddamn forty fives, I'm not gonna lie to you.

Oh god, it's it's be it's it's be everything looks authentic and beautiful in this. Um but you know, this is one of these you know, this is before the interstate.

Right. Like the interstate's being built around this time. But like this is well before the interstate is fully complete. Like I th I think they considered the interstate in the US complete around nineteen ninety two or something like that.

Um so like that was a ongoing decades long project from uh Dwight I Eisenhower started. Um but one of the things uh we're talking about on my podcast with like Vanishing Point and Two Lane Blacktop is that

You see all these little Dust Bowl fucking nowhereville fucking places that were you know, you come off whatever highway into these places to get to the next highway kind of thing.

And all of those things got erased by the interstate eventually. Like this this is a different America than the America you guys know now. Like this doesn't exist anymore, these little podunk hillbilly fucking nowhere things.

they they just got erased by the fact that the interstate would eventually like supersede them and all their business goes away. Um

So like yeah, there there's this this American dream drying up kind of idea. Um like this this sort of nihilism, like all these bikers are probably World War Two

To some degree, bec because generally that's what the bikers were. Uh were mostly.

They come home to nothings and then they resort to basically petty crime.

Yeah.

And at least they found their family, you know, they found

It not really I don't want to say the calling, but they found basically their brothers. They all share the same like I said, the one like I said, the one word that just sums up everything for me is disillusionment. They all share that.

And somehow do their best to make the most of it.

I know by the way, I love Two Lane Black Tap. Oh my god, that's one of my favorite movies.

I mean that that one is even more like

people just trapped in a life where they're all constantly on the road. Like um but all these people are kind of trapped. Um and the thing like I feel like uh one of my big takeaways from watching it this time by the way for the podcast was

This is a perfect double build for the warrior uh the wanderers.

Oh yeah.

Because this is like

Like it w it felt very much like The Wanderers. Like it's got that realism vibe. And this is like, you know, people living within the peak of the American dream kind of myth.

And the Wanderers is about people hitting the fucking wall where they realize it's all a fucking lie.

And I I feel like it it's a good one to kind of punch. Um

w w just cinematically and uh yeah th this is a great vibe movie. It's it's cool, effort effortlessly cool. It doesn't try, there's no artifice, there's no pretense.

It it it's just cool because the people in it are fucking cool, so like it still echoes the cool things of like the exploitation biker movies.

And it does a s a few of the same things as the exploitation biker movies. But it's not

Exploitation.

Yeah, without being exploitation. It it's much more a mood piece. It's just like uh it it's an amazing debut.

from Catherine Bigelow. It's it's it's just like fucking amazing.

We love you, Catherine.

Get to get the beef endorsement for sure, you know.

Yeah.

Oh gosh.

Uh final thoughts, uh Cam.

Uh I'm gonna reiterate some things that Suzanne and Lee said. You know, it is about, you know, a sense of uh brotherhood with these guys.

And it's the sense of like they were looking for something on the edge of the American dream when the dream is being turned into a nightmare. And they found something that they I think they found a sense of belonging for a better sense of return.

You know, because they they're just nomads. You know, and nomads are just like Vikings, they're just wanderers. They gotta find something to do. And these guys, uh, they find something to do in this town. Uh they find a quite a few things to do.

Yeah. Little and figuratively, yes.

Yeah, yeah, literally, literally and figuratively. But uh I think in the end, uh not the

G get

off on a rant here, but I I felt most most of my sympathy went out for to the Tolina character.

Thank you.

I forget the name but they actually played her Marine uh something I g I g I I'd have to bring up my M D B to look it up but But like it's it's her it's her movie in the end.

And it and it just that sense of dread that you have like right before she, you know, ultimately pulls the church.

Yeah.

So foreboding.

And and y and you can tell Willem Dafoe is a character, you know, he's so aloof for most of the movie, but you can tell like during the bar there he's kind of stewing on the fact that he didn't do anything when her father pulled him pulled her out of the motel room.

Yeah. And

Yeah, I mean like when she does uh ultimately pull the trigger and and blows her brains out, I mean like you can see him visibly flinch.

And I think that's the first time like he's showed any kind of emotion like that.

Yeah.

And it's like for a movie that's a lot of cigarette smoking and beer drinking.

Yeah, it's brought to the right.

brought to its center by that raw emotion. And I wasn't expecting that from this movie because I watched the trailer before I watched the movie. I'd seen the trailer a few times over the years. It's just one of those movies that just, you know, ultimately it slipped by me.

And I'm kind of like I said, I'm kind of ashamed that it has. I'm gonna have to get the Blue Underground release. But yeah, I I love this movie. I thought it was fantastic.

Yeah, there's a good commentary on it too with uh Bigelow and uh I think Montgomery's on it. Yeah, it is Montgomery. They they do a good commentary on that really.

Is that uh like out of print or is that still available?

I think it's out of print, but

It it might be, yeah, but I'm I I don't know if this would be too expensive on eB eBay, maybe, but who knows? Fuck.

Uh n nothing's too expensive if you can barter enough.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, fantastic film and I wanna thank you guys for like turning me on to it.

I'm just happy everybody likes it here. That that that fucking

Well Arrow has a version of it. You can get at Walmart.

There you go.

Boy. Uh Suzanne, final thought.

You know, it's I I was really like I said, I was so completely taken with this movie from

the minute it started. There was it was a lot different. I hadn't to be honest, I'd seen the trailers. I wasn't quite sure what the rest of the movie going to be but it was just layered with This this sense of missing out on something or never even being close and trying to hold on to something.

And they held on to their, you know, biker lifestyle. They found you know, they f they they found a a group that gave them that sense of family'cause From the sounds of it, no one everyone had been estranged from their families, no one talked about their families, but they had each other.

I don't think these guys were bad per se. They like I said, they did time for petty crime from, you know, just the loose conversations in the movie.

The like I said, the tragic figure.

You know, your heart just kinda went out to her.

You know, when she plugged her father, I my first thought was like, All right, you're free, girl. I was expecting Willem DeFe to throw her on the back of his bike and off they would go and she would you know, sportster too.

That would be the exploitation version of this

Yeah, but they did not go the exploitation route. And it was like I said, it was a really powerful moment.

And I mean, I'm gonna try to, you know, go through my notes to see if there's anything that I didn't talk about. And honestly, it's

It it just I I feel like it shouldn't have ended that way for her. I got a little emotionally invested after seeing the way her father treated her, yanked her out of bed.

And to be honest, it looked like he touched her inappropriately. Which no one was gonna do shit about.

Yeah, there there is implied like incest stuff going on in the in the back.

Yeah, and

Like

Was ain't he ain't done nothing to me that you ain't done a hundred times before.

Yeah, like he treats her like especially when you see them in the car and he's like maulin her and sort of like pulling her towards him and shit after the a hotel incident. Um it's very like

Possessive like boyfriend, girlfriend kinda weird shit. It's just like yeah. That th she he he's definitely done stuff to her and yeah.

It's very tragic.

I I I I I I um I'm I should just mention like one other sort of scene that really stuck out for me is when uh Wilm Dafoe goes to the uh black bar to buy booze.

Yeah.

And you know, yeah.

And of course, this is like, you know, bum fuck USA. Of course uh the black population in that town is gonna be treated like shit.

And they're used to just like being very standoffish against any fucking honky that walks into their establishment. And they are very standoffish too, Wilm Dafoe. And you know, Wilm Dafoe just has that one remark, it's like

I'm not as white as I look, you know, basically. It's like I understand where you're coming from and I'm also treated this way by white people when I come into this fucking town. So, you know, maybe don't be so standoffish next time kind of thing.

I get the impression that the the town they go to is a dry town.

That that's why it goes to the the black community, the blah the town where the black people are.

She told him that the closest liquor store to them was as she said

I apologize for this. I'm just quoting. Was owned by the Darkies.

And

I'm not going there. Don't take me there. I'm not going there. Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew.

Yeah. It's the fifties, okay, you're fine, you know.

Yeah, it it's uh the the it's very it's very realistic for the time frame that this movie is set in, that people would talk this way and act this way. Um and I but I think it makes a good point, you know, of like

You know, even even the biker gang is treated as outsiders and weirdos as a you know, y uh the the fucking Tarver character or whatever his name is, like he

He like builds himself up as he's talking to his brother like I bet they're fucking communists and shit like that. Like And like it it sounds a bit comedic and over the top, but like n when you listen to fuckers today and the political sphere talk about anybody that they don't like, you know.

Yeah, nothing's really changed.

It's not changed. It's it's not ridiculous at all. It's I mean it's ridiculous, but it's not untrue. It this is a thing. It's like this shit is still the same today.

So it's just it's just uh yeah, this movie's kinda of its time and ahead of its time and It's great.

Uh final thoughts all the way for you, Lee.

See see the fucking movie. It's it's fucking amazing. If you like as ext assistential like

American dream dying kind of movies. If you like Vanishing Point, if you like Tulane Blacktop, if you like that kind of stuff, you're gonna love this because it's very much in the same vein. Catherine Bigelow and uh Monty Montgomery just like hit it out of the fucking park.

with with the film they've crafted here. So it it's great stuff.

Yeah, I think uh one of the favorite things that I mentioned is is the common ground aspect of this'cause They come into town they look the way they do, you know, but mostly when he's such a tarvert's brother and of course, you know our poor girl's fucking pervert ass fucking father.

They find common ground with with pretty much anybody that they they meet or interact with and

That's different for you know, a film like this. Mhm. Whereas they g the blackers look a look are look down at, that they're looked to look in shame, they're they're gonna hurt us, they're gonna rape our women, yada yada yada.

Now initially, you know, the real starts is easy to w you see what you're you see just what you're gonna get, but you know

At the same time, you know, if we when you go into town and you you you're away from, you know, the woman who could have got it very easily, but uh she didn't. Um

They're fascinated by it. Mm but more than anything. You know, like these this we don't see this every day, so let's uh let's explore, especially our waitress in the film, which we She explores a lot of things in this film, which is kinda great.

Thank you, thank you very much

Uh

nineteen fifties granny panties.

Uh I mean come on, in the first thirty seconds of meeting Willem Dafoe, she tells him about her husband falling off a scaffolding and dying five years prior.

Well yeah, she's that lonely, you know. Yeah. I think uh

Everybody knows.

I think Tolina killing herself in the film though is kinda like one of those small town things to where when she kills her father, you know, that

pretty much the end of her life. I mean I I come from a survivor of of abuse. I won't say who that is on the show, but she's very, very close to me where my my my my loved one abused this person repeatedly in

Back especially back in the fifties, you didn't talk about divorce, you didn't talk about abuse, you didn't talk about anything.

So if she

About daddy hiding in the closet either.

You talk about that at all. And if she killed her father, you know, what what's she gonna say that she's not afraid to say all the time, you know?

She was so in the small town mindset that she saw no actual escape.

Pra and she pro and she probably sh saw no escape with Wilm Dafoe's character because he did nothing in the motel when when her father came and grabbed her. So

Yeah, it did nothing.

Yeah.

To be fair, Daddy had a big ass shotgun and he he uh Could have got cut in half of that goddamn thing.

I think Dafaux could have took'em though, that's the thing.

Yeah, yeah. Oh I do too. Well he was he was fat and he was at alcohol sweating and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Blind side shove and shotguns going flying, he could have taken.

Yeah, so at the end of the day it's just a real tragedy. It's just like it's it's something that's probably gonna haunt the foe's character for the rest of his fucking life.

And it it could have been prevented, but he did nothing and maybe he learns from this and goes on to become a better person who will actually like do something when he sees something really wrong happening, but who knows. Like it's

Yeah, by the way, M Marin Cantor who plays uh our tra our tragic uh d T Tolena uh short career but some interesting stuff. Endangered species.

Um sounds really good.

I've already got a little bit of a little bit of a

You've never seen that?

No.

Mm.

Paul Dooley.

That's a really, really good movie.

I'm into watching that for sure.

And uh ladies and gentlemen the fabulous stains, that's a good one too.

Yeah, that's a great moment.

So yeah, she had like five five films in her career but those uh

Yeah, I didn't see the one but I saw the other one. I really enjoyed that one, so there was that and uh

Um yeah, not not much else to say for me. I I I think uh we'll we'll end this one here and uh we haven't c convinced you guys to watch this film. I don't know if we did our job or not, but you know you guys should go check it out.

Um next up on the program, uh snakeskin jackets.

Elvis.

Death metal for some reason?

Uh

Yeah, we'll talk about that for sure.

Why not? Why not do it?

at all.

Well thrash met thrash metal anyway.

Just in the trash metal. Uh

Otherwise.

Sorry, musical snobs, I fucked that up already. But up next, David Lynch's Wild That Hearts. After the trailer.

Can I talk to Lula?

You are not!

Okay.

I'd go the far end of the world for you, baby.

Move me sail.

You really do.

You want me to shoot sailor?

My brains with a gun. Uh oh.

I didn't have much prank

Baby, you better run me back to the hotel.

George A. S. Fault.

This whole world wild at heart and weird auntie.

Well the Hart 1990 tuber plot synapses is this.

Young lovers, Sailor and Lula, run from a variety of weirdos that Lula's mama has hired to kill Sailor.

Mama baby.

Yeah.

Big cast in this one. Big big cast.

Nick Cage's Sailor, uh Laura Durne Ezlula, uh the pre pre pre mentioned Willem Defoe's Bobby Peru.

Jay Freeman at Santos. I think I I I've seen the face. I just can't recall where I've seen the face from.

Yeah, I don't know where he's been and what else he's been into. I I have I didn't usu do my usual deep dive that I do on like on my podcast. I just kinda like oh I wrote the cast down so I can reference it, but other than that, you know Um

Okay. Miller's Crossing, Alien Resurrection, Patriot Games.

Uh

Wow. And he just goes downhill from there. Tremors four

Oh.

Oh, I like Trevor Spore. The W Billy Dirago in in the prequel is pretty good. Yeah.

The one that takes place from the old west, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.

I like that.

He did a lot of T V, you know, nothing all the nothing to write home about.

Gotcha.

He's got a career.

You get a blinking and miss from Chris McGlever in this film, it was Dell.

Yeah, that's a that's a weird assumption.

That was a shame. That's a shame.

You got the great Diane Ladd, uh Lula's mom in real life and Lula's mom in this movie as Marietta Fort fortune.

Uh Calvin Lockhart is Reggie. Isabel Rossellini, uh regular of these Lynch films is Perdiva.

Great Harry Dean Stanton as Johnny Perry.

Yes. Grace Grace Sabrinsky, again, another actress that you know her face. She's been in many things as as Mana.

Sherlyn Penn shows up as a girl on accident.

Yeah.

Well my favorite cars I'll talk about this later, is William Willi William Morgan Shepherd as Mr. Reindeer.

He's just got such the greatest fucking voice.

Lincoln you'll miss him again, David Patrick Kelly, uh Torchy's favorite, as Drop Shadow.

Yeah, it's like i his name's drop shadow and man, I wish you had more to do in this film. Damn.

Uh yeah, he d he's not given nearly enough to do.

Yeah, there's so many that you just kinda blink and you miss them.

Um Eck Nan's another uh David Lynch regular shows up in this.

Oh my goodness.

For Taylor Vince, uh great actor, shows up in this as buddy. Yeah, the list goes on. It's it's it's a lot of fun. Frances Bay as as the madam of the horror house shows up in this. I love that actor so much.

Um, w we'll get into this right now. Um, start with the Sue. What're your thoughts, Sue?

Okay, this is actually the second time I've seen this movie. Once again, I'm I don't I'm I'm not a huge lynch person. I still haven't got through Lost Highway. I've just never really hit that mood. I know it's been years, I'll get there eventually.

But it's there is so much scenery to chew up in this movie and everybody really does that effectively.

I I love Diane Ladd because I'm sorry, that bitch is nuts in this movie.

in her face and her hands and everything in lipstick.

Are you insane? Seriously?

I think she was.

Uh you know, going mad with where's my Lula?

Even though you know sorry, mom tried to bang him in the toilet, but you know, whatever. For me, I've I've I like I said, second time I've seen it. And the images stayed with me

for for all that time and I probably washed it either when it hit cable or rented it. This is how long it's been.

I've just it's always been one of those movies I just find it incredibly busy.

There's I just get there's so much going on that I sometimes feel like the actual storyline is lost along the way.

It could be me, like I said, not a big lynch person.

I and this is, you know, Nick Cage basically Deep in the heart of his I wanna be Elvis stage.

Mm-hmm.

And sometimes I find that in in the over you gotta admit, he overacts so much in this movie. And it's just kind of I don't want it's not off putting, but it's just a little too over the top.

I absolutely love Laura Darn is Lula. She's just the best character in this movie. She's

You know, getting turned on by, you know, Sailor telling her about banging this other girl while they're sitting in a bar. So I'm like, okay, yeah, she's she's your ride or die bitch right there.

I just like I said, I just this movie for me just made Is just overtaken with all of these amazing characters that should have had, you know.

Bigger pardon it's all just It's almost vignets of these people that they've interacted with plus all of the weird people that they who are out to kill Sailor on while they're on the run.

It's just for me just me it just seems like he got lost in what he was trying to do.

I mean I appreciate the quirkiness of it and I know Lynch does quirky. He's like was the king of quirky.

But I feel like it all just gets lost.

I mean I I can see a through line with the Loveless at the very end of the movie when all of a sudden these people just come out of nowhere and kick his ass.

It's like they're kicking William Dafoe's ass, saying, you know, get your head out of your ass. Go get her.

He's like, sorry guys.

I will go do that. It just I don't know, like I said for me it's it's just all over the place. I think I love, love, love Harry Dean Stanton and he for me, he's almost wasted in this.

He's got a couple of lines.

And there's a couple of s and there's a scene where he shines but the rest of the he's just Wasted.

I

Yeah.

I don't know, I just I don't love this movie.

The imagery is interesting enough, but I just think it's far too busy to have any, you know, through line.

I I'm just I've never really I think that's the only reason I've

You know, I I watched it once. I'm like, okay, yeah, I've seen those.

I know everything that happens. I'm done. This is the first time I've even thought about this movie when we were doing the podcast tonight. Like, well, and I forgot. It's long. It's real long. There's so much

throwaway to it. I mean I I get it, it's almost the same problem on a larger scale of them sitting in bars and talking to each other.

And laying in bed and talking to each other. You know, my God, I I I wonder if Laura Dern got paid extra for how naked she was throughout the But I don't know, I just

It it's just not I I don't know, it's just not for me. I got it quirky characters.

Them talking and fucking the whole time. Alright, cool. More weird characters. Cool. Why the fuck was that conversation about Dell even in the movie?

Yeah, that that that is probably the one thing where I'm like, Huh, that didn't need to be there.

I it you know it just I got grossed out watching him make sandwiches.

Yeah, it it's almost if Crispin Glover just kinda happened to wander into the film is like, Hey, I'm Crispin Glover, do you could maybe do something? Hi Crispin, I'm David Lynch.

I love you!

I'll put you in my movie!

It it's just it's it's just bizarre. It's You know, my end result is like this hallucinogenic fever dream of a nightmare road trip.

Uh but it it just for me it it's it's all visuals and there's great actors lined throughout and all of them have a shining most of them have a shining moment.

And then it's just oh wow. Glenda the good witch comes down and like, Oh, she forgives you.

Alright, we're done now?

All right.

I I d and I'm just leaving it there. I may add a few thoughts on later on, but this is how I feel about this movie. It's a frickin' mess.

Um, I think this is probably in a weird way, it's probably

one of Lynch's weirder films. Maybe his weirdest, but probably also his most one of his most successful after Blue Velvet. Of course like the straight story. Anyone can watch the fucking straight story and get into that, right? But like I'm talking

a Lynch movie, a real Lynch movie. The uh uh one of the things I I pick off from uh what Suzanne was saying, um It feels like'cause this was shot between the first and second season of Twin Peaks.

It feels like this could have been a T V series that's been condensed into a movie almost in some respects. Cause I I'm with Suzanne in the fact that like I really want to see these characters breathe and do more stuff.

And like you don't really get that in this movie. Even though the movie's two hours long, you just kinda get like little pieces from different characters here and there. But you never really get their full stories.

I feel like if uh David Lynch had had Wild at Heart, the T V series, we could've got all that stuff and it would have been very satisfying. That being said, I love this movie a lot. Um I I feel like it one of Lynch's more focused films in a certain way where like it it's kinda like

With Tarantino of Jackie Brown, where he's working off of an actual property, like this is Barry Gilf Gifford's um uh Perdita Durango and like he he he did Purita Durango and he did Wild at Heart.

Uh basing it off Wild at Heart here, but Perita Durango that was also made into a movie later with Rosie Perez and Heavier Bardem.

Isn't James Gandolfini in that too?

Yes. Okay and Perdita Durango is the character that's uh Isabella Rosalini is playing in this film. Um

But uh so yeah, there's there's a whole like in the in the Barry Gifford books are pretty good. Like they're they're crime books, they're very uh transgressive, they're very like very violent, very uh graphic and gory, and you see that in this film too, like

Uh Lynch definitely does not shy away from the gore. Like we get a s the opening scene where, you know, Nick Cage fucking takes this dude who's gonna like you threaten him with a switchblade or or whatever. It's like

He just beats his fucking head into a wall until he's dead, kind of thing. And it's super gory. Um

So that stuff's kinda cool. Uh like the thing about this film is like it the opening is like Kate Fear it says.

This set in Cape Fear, the opening is set in Cape Fear in this m in this fucking like uh theater in Cape Fear or whatever.

On purpose, he's kinda hinting that this movie exists in an almost like mystical like movie place in time. Like almost like a a genre dimension almost. Uh

The like the the sorta s sort of like it like it's kind of a rock and roll fairy tale. It it's it's it's like blending mythology from twentieth century Americana, especially like the nineteen fifties. It's almost like if that shit manifested and created the universe.

everything sorta bleeds into and out of each other in a certain way. Like, you know, the obsession with Elvis, um

But at this at the same time you get like that thrash metal coming in at all at all times in the in the soundtrack. Um it it you know, it goes from fucking film noir to thrash metal. Like it's it's a very weird journey and

I think I am kinda with Suzanne where it's like I don't know if David Lynch brings it all together. I think we'll discuss a little bit more as we get onto it, but

I do love this film a lot. Uh I I think there's a lot to take from it. Um and uh we'll get into that, but I'll I'll uh uh throw the floor over to somebody else.

Uh, I have a long history with this movie. I I I caught it during this theatrical run when I was like thirteen, fourteen years old.

Nice. Nice.

I was like way, way, way.

Too young.

Yeah, I I was asking a whole lot of questions after this movie was over. I was like, and I'm still asking those same questions today.

Like I love David Lynch, do I profess to understand half of what this man is talking about and half of what he's trying to get across in some of his films?

No.

I don't, absolutely not, but I am here for it. Uh I kind of agree with Lee that I was thinking the same thing when he said it was that it need it needed to be a T V series.

Could have at least been in like a ten episode arc where it could have been ten full hour episodes and you could have got a fully fleshed out version of all these crazy characters.

'Cause I I also agree with Suzanne that the too many characters, too much going on and not enough time gets

You don't get enough time spent with these characters. Yeah. You feel like you're barely scratching the surface, getting to know the crust of a person, as they say. And I think I think we need to touch base on the the connections between this and uh Wizard of Oz.

Like with all Glenda the Good Witch and the Yellow Brick Road and everything else. I mean, like it's really strange and in and

for being as much of an avid reader as I am, I've never read the book and I need to rectify that. I need really need to read the book.

The next thing I'm doing is grabbing the book.

Yeah, I don't remember any of that being in the book. Like that's basically Lynch bringing his own thing into it. And like that whole Wizard of Oz thing, that's like

It's weird, that's kind of a fantasy that Sailor and Lula kind of share together. Like i it's almost like their religious belief to some extent.

Like that that's their like goal for freedom to like go the Yellow Book Road and meet the Wizard of Oz like that kind of thing. Like it it's it's kind of a weird like

thing that drives those two characters. Like there's a moment where Jack Nance's character in the trailer park, you know

basically talks about how I can read your mind, you know, like I know what you're thinking about. You're thinking about the dog I just talked about. But you're thinking about Todo from The Wizard of Oz. And it's like it's it's almost of a moment a moment of him

Getting into the mind of Laura Dern'cause she's kind of shocked. Like she's kinda like taken back by it.

She's scared. She's definitely scared.

Yeah. She was thinking of Toto.

So, like it's someone outside of their shared life they have together, like, intruding on her internal life in a weird way. And it's uh

I don't I don't know if Lynch fleshes it out enough but like I picked up on it and I kinda think that's what's going on. But you know, you know, that's the thing, like Cameron's saying, like Lynch is

Very obtuse in a lot of the stuff he throws out there for people and you know, Lynch famously never explained his movies to anyone. He was like, Fuck you. I'm not explaining shit. You figure it out for yourself.

Yeah, you're on your own.

Yeah. And I appreciate that about him. I don't think he ever did anything he did things. I don't think he ever did things just for weirdness' sake. I think there was a point to what he was doing.

Mm-hmm. I I mean he definitely brought his own artistic style and you know, way of disjointed storytelling to everything.

It just this one for me it's just it just there's so much

that could have been expanded on. This would have been a great thing it back in the day HBO was breaking ground with these shows that weren't afraid to shy away from Saxon Bond.

And it would have been a perfect place for something like this to have landed because I can totally see this broken down into a ten part mini-series.

Yeah. And this film's horny as fuck. Like it's

Every

Everybody.

Fucking her trying to fuck.

Like the part when uh Diane Ladd is like all creeping up on Harry Dean Stanton doing

Right.

Yeah.

It's just like, Oh, we get it.

But no tongue'cause I don't want to mess my lipstick up.

It's it's very travelish though'cause he's like paying playing peekaboo with her play poly.

Like stra Yeah, she's stringing him along. You you can immediately like just like

Yeah, Harry Dean, I love you, man. You're so cool. But y at the same time you're just like you're too good for this movie. You're you're you're too nice of a guy to be like associated with these pieces of shit.

I'm pretty much drawn into this circle of Psycho.

Mm-hmm. He's like the cuck that knows the score though, because he's asked her all these questions about are you still seeing this guy or you know, they're with during the whole conversation, you know.

And she wants to fuck everybody apparently, so there's that, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah, Zer trying to bang Sailor and he won't have no part of it so that's the beginning of his you know downfall.

Well I I I and I I think intentionally she's doing it to try to put a wedge between Sailor and her daughter and her daughter, right?

So Well she knows who he's associated with or who he was associated with and

That's that's the past part catching up with it. It it comes comes later of course, but yeah. He used to work for Santos and you know, she she knows that Santos is a bad dude, but at the same time she kinda wants to fuck a Santos, so so there's that you know

Because you know who it.

Oh I'm sorry.

But honestly he's the he's the tamest of the gangsters.

Yeah, he's just a regular gangster. Like Yeah. Like like one one of the w connections to this in in like Blue Velvet is that like Blue Velvet at its fucking base level has just like a standard film noir plot to it.

And then all the weirdness creeps in. It's it's very much about like the underbelly of the American dream creeping in from underneath and like it s very slowly creeps in. And while it heart, it's already fucking apparent.

that the weirdness is there. But there is still that like

film the War plot. Like it's just a basic road movie plot at at its you know, on its surface where it's just like two lovers escaping the domineering mother and she's sending Hitman after them.

That I mean any other movie could do that. But then David Lynch like levels on all of this like weird characters and stuff. And and to some extent like I I say like this is more accessible because It's a road movie and road movies are super accessible because

Everyone can get behind a fucking road movie because it's just like two characters on a road, what are they gonna run into? You'll you're more accepting of the weirdness they run into because it's a fucking road movie and it's very episodic, right? And that's

kinda what this movie does, although, you know, with extra layers of weirdness'cause it's fucking David Lynch. And like things mean other things and it's very deep and you're not gonna pick up on things and it's just like

Yeah, I gotta watch this another five times before I even get an idea what the fuck you're talking about, David.

No, it's like for me it's like that when they stumble on that car accident and Sharilyn Fenn is wandering around looking for her cards and her purse.

Is she uh here's my here's my question. Is she playing one of the characters that she played in Twin Peaks? Is this like an intersection, like a weird intersection between Twin Peaks and this movie? Like

I've always wondered that myself.

It is is David like David Lynch uses the fucking highway as a motif in pretty much everything he does.

Especially the highway at the highway at night. You see the highway, you see the fucking center lines going and shit.

Is the highway his like gateway between the different worlds of his movies and T V series to some degree? Like

Is he kinda like hinting at that here? I was my big question. Because it feels like some of the stuff in that is so similar to like some of the stuff Sherilyn Finn did in Twin Peaks that almost

That might be the same character just from a cause like we learn in Twin Peaks, especially Twin Peaks the Return, um that there are different realities.

that are playing out in the actual T V series. It's not just one s one set world. There's different worlds on top of each other. So is this another Sheryl and Finn character from Twin Peaks from another world?

that they run into, who knows? It it got me thinking this time around.

I think you just made it so just by d setting it into the ether.

No, it's like this weird multiverse.

I'm David Lynch, and I invented the multiverse!

Yeah.

But it's just like in you're right. I mean I've seen uh I've seen a lot of David Lynch. Like I said, not a I I it's just not a thing for me.

But I mean I can see the the layers. I mean there's multi layers where With that theory, everything interplays with everything else just on a different layer.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

It made about as much defense as the David Lynch film.

No, I no I get w I get what you're saying. I do get what you're saying.

I just I look at uh directors as like shit.

Some chefs use weird as a condiment, you know, or soft. David Lynch uses weird as the entire fucking meal.

It's not just a gun.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's not just garnish.

Second time watching maybe third time, I I forget now, but I'm not a big lynch guy either and I I do enjoy the hell out of this'cause it's it's one of those ones I'm not saying it's straightforward, but like this blue ball that And I watched Twin Peaks after he passed away.

r real really work for me to where like a lost highway doesn't. There's a lot of there's a lot of imagery in in in lost highway, I'll give you that. Like, you know, very creepy stuff and back to Bill Pullman again. Uh Yeah.

Yeah, I I and I feel like Lost Highway is like better realized in Maholland Drive because they they kinda like rub on the same idea uh of like somebody escaping into a fantasy version of themselves.

Yeah.

Right, right.

But um cage is cage is like the not not well I'd say he's almost like the full fledged

Cages of cages at at this point. Yeah, I lo I love moonstruck you so I can going full ham on that. I think that was like the beginning of the cageness, as him going four cage.

I'm just sad he didn't do more of Lynch.

Because I

I thought there would have been a perfect marriage of like personalities there. Yeah.

Oh yeah, that's that makes sense.

'Cause L'cause the the thing about Lynch is Especially like with twin peaks.

He has a very like there's a very heightened soap opera melodramatic way of acting in Twin Peaks that happens. And then it comes out in spurts in his other movies. It comes out in big spurts in this fucking movie because of course

Nicholas Cage is your fucking lead and he's just doing this the entire time. He's just doing Elvis on a in a fucking like soap opera almost kind of thing. Like it's just full on fucking Elvis in this film. And uh Yeah, I I just wish you know

I d I don't even know what he would put fucking Nick Cage in. Yeah.

Yeah, I think the whole Wizard of Oz thing i c w would work better if this was a T V series in my opinion, because you could have Like the before before he meets Lula, you could have like

the adventures of of Santos, Bobby and Sailor and you you get to see that whole that whole his whole past progress until that'll be in black and white and then when he meets Lula, you know, his world goes the color. I think it'll work really well in that sense.

You know.

That's a cool idea. Yeah.

You're always home there.

That makes me want it now'cause like honestly my biggest problem with this film is that I didn't need the Wizard of Oz shit.

'Cause like I was like, Okay, I get it, you're doing a fairy tale. You're doing an American rock and roll fairy tale.

You you're you're putting these elements together. We're in a fantasy world to some extent. I understand that you don't need to like layer on Wizard of Oz to make me know that that's happening.

It doesn't work all the way, but like there there's the part at the end, you know, where where you see Glenda, the good witch where where, you know, he's being surrounded by by the men.

A as he's walking away from Lula'cause he he feels that he's better off without she's better off without him.

I I get like flying monkey vibes'cause if you watch Wizard of Oz, like the whole time, even when she's with her crew, y she finds her, you know, the tin men, Carrie Lion, mm-hmm all the people. She's constantly being pursued by these these these other people and

the fact that they're s kind of surrounding him like like a pack of animals. You know, they had a big wide shot. I think it really works in that sense as far as say, here's one more element that that sorta works in the plot of this film.

Yeah, like th they're they're obviously like probably the minions of Glinda the Good Witch. They're they're kinda like there to like

push Sailor in the right direction'cause Sailor's like, I gotta leave you, baby,'cause I'm no good for you and my son It's like all he needs to do is give up this bullshit fucking my individuality and personal freedom persona because the real freedom is like embracing

Lula fully and your son fully. That that's actually the real freedom that he's he's seeking. This entire time that fucking snakeskin jacket is kind of a prison on him because Every time you see him talk about his personal freedom and all that shit.

It gets him into violence and it gets him into fucking prison.

Yeah.

Like he he he is running in a cycle that is not good for Lula because Lula is trying to escape hell in this film.

She is trying to escape the the abusive past of her life. And Sailor is

is her love is the love of her life and she wants him to be the fucking ticket out of this fucking hell. But Sailor has to get out of the mindset of Uh I I ca I have to be an individual, I have to be totally free.

No, you you have to be totally free you need to like connect with the love of your life and and and make that life happen. And like at the end of the film that kinda comes to fruition. So the a nice happy ending at the end of this film.

Uh you know, as opposed to Loveless where it's just like oh god everyone's Everyone's dead and it's depressing and fuck this and you know, kinda thing.

Uh

Yeah, well and at least in this one, like everybody else is dead, but he still has a Lula.

Yeah.

And that's what makes it optimistic.

Yeah.

It it is, but it was it's almost like that fake Hollywood ending.

Yeah.

It's it's the wizard of oz ending, the y you know, whatever, it's there.

I know. I mean it was the Wizard of Oz

I mean Love Me Tender must have been cut from my version of w was a Divas.

I will say they're still the Love Me Tender and I forget the name of their song.

Love me. It's just love me.

Yeah, he sings at the but at the club. But still that dan that dancing was fucking insane. Yeah. He was doing fucking roundhouse kicks and shit in that fucking dancing. I was like, what the fuck is going on?

I can't I can't I can't sink you lovely love me tender until I'm married to you, you know.

But he thinks that he's he's a he's a good singer in in that sense and

Yeah.

Yeah, no, he he does Elvis perfectly pretty much. Like he he embodies it. Like he he does a great job. Yeah.

He's always had like I said, always had that Elvis vibe going of well he married Lisa Marie.

He's always had this like fascination with all this, and Lynch just kind of gave him an opportunity to maybe.

live it out in a movie.

Yeah.

Just pretend you're King Creole.

Coke and a chocolate chip cookie.

I I I will agree with Suzanne though, like

Oh, the banana sandwich.

Yeah, it's a banana sandwich, doesn't it?

I will agree with Susanna's sense that this film i it's kind of a mess in a sense of you have all these characters that are kinda thrown in. But i it it it works as a stew for me. I I lo I love my time in with all these characters, it's sh it sure as is sometimes.

Diane Ladd, I haven't watched a lot of her outputs but the ones I watched are like very like tame compared to Lula's mama, you know, because uh

She's just unhinged the whole time and I get why she doesn't want her to be with Sailor. You know, not in the sense that she wants to fuck Sailor, but in the sense that she knows his past.

And then the fact that, you know, she wants to keep from him or her away from all that then

Well there's a there's a there's there's a sense she wants to protect Lula too'cause Little um the whole road trip is a little uh uh you know po you know, talking about her past to Sailor that she had not revealed beforehand.

And like an associate who was called an uncle but was not, you know, by blood an uncle.

Uh raped Lula in the past. Yeah.

So like and and then we see that that uh uncle, quote unquote, met a fiery death you know, uh in implied at the hand of Lula's mama.

Yeah.

And uh yeah, so she is overly protective to an insane degree, so that's part of what makes her a monster in this.

You know, like there there is there is humanity in that woman. You know, she d like I I definitely believe that she genuin you know, genu genuinely cares about Johnny Farragut.

But at the same time, the monster side of her is not above using Johnny Farragut.

you know, for her own advantage. So like th there there's a there's a lot of depth to that character and like just the fact that like she really digs into this and kinda like really does something that she never really did before in her career is Pretty remarkable.

Yeah, J Johnny Farragon Borsi is is like the cuck of this movie. Yeah, and he's

Yeah, definitely.

He's there to like b you know, boat on her and d and d and dote on her and and you know, tr try try to be the best, you know, I guess boyfriend, quote unquote decanter. Yes.

I mean it's it's it's fr it's it's nineteen ninety friend zone is what it is.

That's it, yeah.

Sidebar. Oh no, no, go. Um just random sidebar, which I forgot to mention. Her uncle, not uncle who rapes her. How many of you watched Alice?

Yeah, that's the yeah, it's the guy from Alice, yeah.

Yep. And I was like

Yeah. He was uh the I can't remember what his name was. I wanna say it was like Marvin or something. And the first time I saw this movie he I was like, there's no way he Oh my god, I'm sick.

Really?

Yeah. Marvin Kaplan.

Yeah.

That guy.

Yeah, fucking guy.

Yeah,'cause the whole time, you know, Lula she's she's repressed, you know, sexually, but she's very also very free at the same time. Because she is you mentioned it was a real horny film. Lula is wet for sailor this whole fucking time. No matter what he does

Go dance and talk, it doesn't matter what it is, she she she's there for it and the part where they're lying in bed together and you know, I guess she broke her nudity clause for this movie as they they said the in the credits and

There's a point where if you ever need to see Nicolas Cage play Laura Durns titties like a like a guitar, you you can watch this movie because uh he sticks his arm over her titties and just

It's like it's a six string.

She is going nuts, man. You know and

My first real sick.

It it's weird, da so like David Lynch is very much renowned for like just being super horny in his movies. Like all of his movies are pretty much super fucking horny.

And it's like he gets these women nude in these movies and all the actresses who ever worked with him all have nothing but like glowing regard for him and how comfortable he made them feel on set.

And uh I I'm not surprised I'm not surprised that I'm not surprised that Laura Dern like just went above and beyond for Lynch in this and like'cause cause she's yeah, she's hella naked in this film multiple

Oh yeah.

and abused in this film multiple times. Yeah. And it's yeah, it it's uh it it it takes it takes a lot. It takes a lot to uh have that trust and she obviously had that trust with Lynch so

And Sailor.'Cause she again she's she's in the club, he's singing she's fucking you can just tell fucking the the put the puddle down there. She's going fucking crazy, you know. Uh

Yeah.

Oh my gosh.

No, their their their love story is like un undeniable. Like they are like they sell that they are so in love and like they're making this journey and uh she wants to escape and he is it he is the way to do it.

But he has to come around and like get out of his own fucking way. And uh that's kind of the whole crux of the whole thing.

And then enters William Dafoe and then as another catalyst that comes in.

Those teeth.

Oh god, that it was fucking creepy.

I can't tell if that was cross bears. Even more creepy if he if he had braces on him. W will him default with braces?

Would be uh that was like

Yeah. It was like math.

Yes, like very rotted teeth, right? And on honestly what makes it more creepy is that pencil mustache that he has above the lip with those rotted teeth. Like that's just You cannot have that pencil mustache unless you're like a French waiter in nineteen forty two or you're a fucking creep.

Mm.

Thank you.

Clark Gable.

Mm.

Maybe you can get away with.

Yeah, you know honestly if you're Clark Gable, your ears are distracting everyone anyway,'cause you got Dumbo ears.

So

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, but I lo I love that, you know, it's not really a side plot, it's his for more of his past catching up to my I love stories like that. And of course he wants to have a new robbery but at the same time he's trying to, you know

sexually abuse Lula and she's back to the same the same scenario again. You know, aggressive men, you know, trying to do bad things to her. You know, and

It's it's the fact that she stops resisting that makes him not want to pursue it anymore.

'Cause if if she had resisted the entire time then he would have went through with it, but but she just like

She clams up when she realizes she's not gonna be able to fight this guy and and then it's just like, Well the I'm not interested. Fuck you, see ya later. Yeah.

Um great collection of characters. I I'll mention Mr. Reindeer because he's like he's like the head of the show where

I I wanna I wanna retire like this guy. I I I'll tell you why, okay?

This guy either owns the horizontal lives in the whorehouse. The first time you see him, he's on the shitter. He has a tray of Coke, and there's a prostitute looking very, very bored top.

And I would like to believe before he got the phone call, he was getting blown in the fucking toilet right there. So If I had to say living my best life, I would give it to Mr. Ranger all day long for this movie, you know.

Oh yeah.

So so so Gary's ideal life is to like have a cadre of board hookers blow him.

That's what I'm saying.

Maybe maybe a blunk or two, but not not all the time.

He's the occasional blumpkin, man.

Yeah.

Have you ever had at least one blumpkin in your life? Are you really living?

Do I know?

That's why I can s that's why I consider myself dead.

Jesus Christ.

Ha ha.

Uh

No, but I enjoy you got the collection of characters. I I really enjoy it and it I it's it's a huge mess and I will agree. It's kinda like the the Scott Pilgrim arg uh argument I had with the John Cross where he's uh

Cornetto trilogy purist. So he really hates he really hates Scott Pilgrim.

I see. I love John Cross. I hate Scott Pilgrim.

Scott Pilgrim myself.

know it's a mess though, but I still really enjoy that wonderful mess and I still for this for the same reason

I enjoy this wonderful mess. It's it's all over the goddamn place. But it's it's it's fucking crazy. The characters you get into and that's what keeps that's what fuels something like this and I mentioned before uh the in the uh off the air

You know, I if I if I paired this with Con Air it would totally fit because there's so much

through line between Sailor and Cameron Poe's character. You know, he k he kills a man. Uh I imagine his Elvis karate hands are considered lethal weapons'cause, you know, Elvis for karate.

Watch it baby. I know karate, I'm a lethal weapon, baby.

Yeah.

You know, goes to prison. Again, when he goes to prison later, you know, she she's with child. Gets out of prison. They have that very conner moment at the end where he has a stuffed toy to give to the boy. You know, and

I love the Cisco Kid conversation he has with the kid when he's gonna leave he comes back obviously. But um that that and the k and it's kinda like the kid gets it.

Which is kinda fucked up for a five or six year old that he gets it, you know, but at the same time, you know he kinda has that understanding with with his old man, like I may see you down the road, I guess we're cool now, you know.

I mean uh I I guess it just goes to show he had a really cool mom. Prepared him for the fact that maybe Sailor's not gonna be like here.

Oh my gosh. Again Grace Grace Sabrinsky uh shows up in this race.

She's doing uh Perdita's sister Juana who is and and there she's one of like several characters we see in this film that are have like crutches

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's...

See it in the shadow and you're wondering well what's gonna happen next. That's a my my my love mother still too like what's gonna happen next? This woman's gonna crush in the shadow here and she there's a story there, you know.

She's insane. Uh and it's not.

It's another character that was just kind of wasted.

Yes, that's the thing. It's like I need more I need more of her and her like uh voodoo boyfriend. Like I need more of

Like you get hints of that in the actual Perdita Durango film, but you know, of course it's with Purita Durango and Javier Bardim playing different characters. Um

You get m you get a little bit more of that with that film. So like I'd recommend that if you guys have not seen that. But like

Yeah, Perd Perdita Durango is a fun f that that's also a road movie. It it's you know, it it's uh kind of in the vein of natural born killers

Uh, Bad Lands, uh Bonnie and Clyde, that kind of stuff where it's like two killers on the road kinda doing shit. Um

Pretty good stuff. Uh very overlooked in the late nineties that film came out. Ninety seven I think it was.

It's very good. I think you might enjoy it. Uh

All right, thanks. I will look that one up.

And just seeing heavy ar dam with a mullet. Like just A man who's been like In movies with weird hair choices.

Yeah, he's made some questionable haircuts.

I love that.

And uh the bull haircut and

Yeah, the Prince Valiant or whatever he's got going on there and

No.

I love James Gandolfini and that.

Yeah.

So good.

No, that was a straight up Page Boy.

Yeah, Javier, all the credit in the world though, because that role in no country, you know, it's hard to take'em seriously with that haircut, but you do.

You do, yeah. Yeah, no it's performance sells it, yeah.

Yeah.

Well yeah, I have a great time with this. I mean, again, all the actors that show up in this you you wish there was more of it, but like I said, T V show. Uh may may still happen eventually. I would love to see it, you know.

Um

I don't know.

I don't know if I wanted

Yeah, I don't I don't know if I wanna see anything that Lynch isn't heading. Like if if it was a T V show I wanted Lynch to be there.

So yeah.

Yeah yeah gone.

I just I think it's just a it's a product of its time.

Yeah.

I don't think it it will never fly now because everybody is, you know, a fragile little snowflake.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, you that's that's true. You you probably couldn't do like half the stuff that you see'cause this movie is

super fucking violent. Like Willem Dafoe blows his fucking head off and the fucking the fucking uh nylon that he's wearing over his face for the robbery he just did half his head goes up into the nylon and like extends like a fucking tail like all the skull bits and the brains and shit.

I thought it was a phony nub at first, I'm not gonna lie to you. Like came up or something.

Yeah.

But no, that that's just his head wit that's the way it went up through the fucking nylon. And it's just like to think of that detail.

Is because no one else would do it. But David Lynch or whoever was working with him thought of the details like, Oh well, if he blew his fucking head off the shotgun, half his head's gonna go up this nylon in like a long fucking extended tail of gore.

And that's what we gotta show. Okay.

As the as there is the the very raising arizone idea of robbing the Hayseed Bank, you know. Yeah.

And you and you know you got you get Cheryl and Finn.

Definitely shades of raising air in the zona that were planted here.

Yeah.

Yeah, and I mean you you get you get Sherilyn Finn, you know, as the girl in the accident and like at at first she seems fine, but then they like turn her over and she's just like spitting blood everywhere and

Yeah.

And you know, the guy in the opening that Nicolas Cage kills is like It it gets into like curb stomp territory.

It's just it's like like it's almost like got straight out of American history, actually.

Yeah.

It's beyond self defense through it that way. It's it's uh

I've to admit, that was like a great bloodletting, if you ask me. I was really impressed with that.

Oh yeah. No the gore is top notch in this. It's just like You know, secret horror movie in this all of a sudden just like

There's just there's there's so many different layers to it. Mm-hmm. I said it's just one of those things. It's a product of the nineties. It will never ever exist again.

Yeah,'cause like who are you gonna get to wear who are you gonna get to wear those uh fucking teefers that uh William Dafoe wore?

No, who

Who's gonna debase themselves enough these days to do something like that? Nobody.

Yeah. And who's even got storytelling abilities anymore? It's all AI generated.

Yeah. It's a hell of a bit he wears in this goddamn movie though. Goddamn

Fucking Yeah. No, I love this one.

There's a beauty to it.

For I mean it's it's some of it is lost on me. But like I said, I see the layers. I see it it's just for me it's viginess.

I just see it in bits and pieces and not a complete film.

I mean

I can see that.

That's fair.

I I I can see the you know, tying the bow on the end with the you know, the Glinda and the gang, but it's just for me it's just there's there's so much scenery.

And, you know, the characters there's so many bizarre characters.

that it just some for me, I guess some of the message just gets lost in that. Although it is kind of it's fun, but like I said, there are some of these characters I want more.

Yeah. No I I agree with you there. I I definitely want the T V series version of this and we're never gonna get it. So that's

Yeah. If Lynch isn't doing the storytelling behind the camera, you're never ever gonna get

Like I said, they it's it's never gonna happen. It's past it's a product of the top.

From the mind of David Lynch, programmed into Chat GPT, we bring you Wild at Heart the series.

What do you say?

Yeah.

Ha ha ha.

Oh yeah.

All right.

Oh jeez.

Excuse me why I go blow my fucking brains out right now.

David Lynch needed more hillbillies.

Oh god, don't even talk to me about that fucking guy.

Haha Finn replaced by Sherry Moon Zombie.

I I would fucking kill myself. Straight up.

Yeah.

I like the Monsters movie. I'll say this all day long. I don't

I nope. Nope. Nope.

Uh you're you're wrong for that, Gary. You're wrong for that.

I'm siding with Gary on this one. It's me and Gary against you guys. I

All right. Well you're both dead to me.

I'm already dead.

I love it.

That's just a big

Now.

I'm afraid when everybody purists, you know, but I think and I've had this this conversation with Jeff Daniel Phillips who plays Herman in the film that I I I got the joke, you know, I I got the dad jokes, I got everything in the movie and it just

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He had to bring his fucking uh Rob zombie shit to it and yeah, no, I no, no.

Well listen listen listen, I'd I'm I'm pretty to quote Fred Gwynn.

You don't take r the monsters up to that Micmac burial ground.

No.

You don't wanna go down that road, Lewis.

It has looked at the goddamn movie'cause he basically tells Lewis to go down that road eventually. You know.

The soul of a man's soul is stony or the way.

W wouldn't be a good idea, wouldn't be a bad idea to go bury your son out there and see what happens next.

Yeah.

Get there.

How how is Gage a hundred percent like a a body after being mauled by that truck in the road, by the way?

The Mick Matt burial graph.

Yeah.

Yeah. Make make Mac burial ground engage the cat just to take a piss on his grave out there. So it's like a never in Lar Four thing where the dog pissed on the grave.

Ha ha ha ha.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dog Christ Resurrection, you know. It's a yes indeed.

Are we sure Nightmare in Elm Street five wasn't directed by Rob Zombie?

I mean it wouldn't have been any better or worse.

Oh no, so come on, that was straight up rawhead right.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

That's a story for another time.

Um I think I'm good.

No, I'm good. I'm good. I I I highly recommend it. Uh I understand I understand uh if if people don't love it as much as I do, that's totally valid. But I do love it quite a bit, so good stuff.

I think this in blue velvet are probably

Yeah.

I don't I don't wanna say available, but when it was more broader appeal to mainstream audiences.

Yeah.

And I mean I do dearly love Blue Velvet. I've always loved that movie.

But still my favorite still my favorite David Lynch film.

Oh I love I I I can watch it all day, every day. I just love that movie so much.

This well like I said, I just this is the second time I watched it. I And it like I said, for me it's just like this this weird hallucinic And I I wa I you know, I was paying attention, but it was all of these weird ass yellow brick road references and Wizard of Oz and Glenda and Toto

And you know, the apparently the gang is a flying monkeys. Thanks guys.

Wow

It is it is definitely one of those things I will call it an experience.

Uh hey, he he apol he apologizes for calling that gang of flying monkeys a bunch of homosexuals.

And they're all like, yeah, we're good now, dude. We're good.

And I'm jealous of that guy's freaking Metallica torn t shirt. Yeah, so there you go.

Carl Malden knows after that one.

He does have Malden those going on. Yes he does.

Uh final thoughts for you, Cam.

Uh I I I with Lee on this one. I fucking love this movie. It's only my sec second favorite uh Lynch film. Uh second after only Blue Velvet.

I I l I don't you know claim to understand a lot of Lynch stuff, but I love his stuff because he's just he's so outside the box. I know that's a generic fucking term, but he is so outside the box and

I love it. It's got Nicholas Cage, my favorite actor. I mean, what can you do? I mean uh I mean no excuses for it. I'd love this fucking movie.

Yeah, um it we'll we'll uh yeah end it here. Uh I don't see Ali, but he's coming back. Uh well uh

And now Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat. Again? Nothing up my sleeve. Presto!

Hell's Angels, the real Hell's Angels, riding today.

Guys with guts who want to travel their way.

Rough.

Ruckus.

Really tough.

With their own code of law and order.

Okay.

Anytime anybody needs help, it's with us and go all the way.

He'd go to jail for you, do anything for you.

Violence is their thing.

You had some neads? Heads on the ground.

You guys have been here less than 24 hours and already we got a riot and a robbery on our hands. We got two guys in there, pal. We're going in

Deadliest gamble ever dared.

The real Hells Angel. Alright folks, that's another one done uh for the Rebel that Pause Month. You'll get one more of these uh very soon this week actually.

This to be released on the following Wednesday, which will be tomorrow, hopefully. If I get time at work just to keep rolling rolling.

And uh the next one you'll hear is um

The last one, just to you get behind the recording to tell you that's the truth, be Friday or out out maybe out of the first on Monday, uh be Thrashen and Airborne for final entry into the Rebel Without a Pause month. Um

I g I gotta give a shout out to this guy'cause he we we lost him very recently. I mentioned last time with with Richard. But this is just as appropriate. Um

genre legend, uh George Eastman has passed away. Yeah. Westerns. Anything you could think of, any walk of life and uh Has been on this show yet, but I'm sure he's been been on Lee's show, I'm sure he's been on Cameron's shows probably.

Yeah, a couple times.

Yeah. Yeah, no uh an absolute Titan of cinema, eighty three years old, you can't complain about that. Uh

Good run.

Yeah, but uh very talented writer, director, actor Was a big presence and a lot of stuff that you saw growing up watching and uh there'll never be another one.

But yeah, um you guys stuff got got stuff coming for sure. I'll start with you, Lee. Um you just had an episode release for sure. But she got coming, sir.

Yeah, we just uh the latest episode that this released was Two Lane Blacktop, which we had uh me and Daniel had our uh friends uh Wick and uh Robbie on to talk about that and we've been Kind of a thread where we've had w Wick and Robbie on to like talk about as a as a assistential fucking

Seventies road movies and just seventies movies and stuff like that. They're kinda the go to guys who bring on to do that stuff.

Um, next movie we're doing is uh The Thousand Eyes of Doctor Mabuza, which was um

The uh the last I'm blanking on his goddamn name. That's very professional of me. But uh

It's uh yeah it's a crime movie, spy movie, that kind of stuff. We're gonna be doing that. That'll be the next thing we do. Check it out.

Yeah.

I just don't know what it is. I'm curious now. You know.

'Cause w it it's actually w'cause we're gonna have uh at the very least, uh Bobby Trippet from the Grind Bin, maybe Mike from the Grind Bin, we're gonna have Von Kuhlmeyer from Motion Picture Massacre on. Yep. Um and uh

We're gonna talk about that movie and then that's kind of a s direct sequel to the original uh testament of Doctor Mabuza from back in the nineteen thirties.

Yeah.

And then that's kind of a follow up. We did that years ago with uh Mike and Bobby from the grind bin. If Mike and Bobby both show up that'll be great. But at the very least Bobby Tripp had showed up, so um we'll be doing that. But uh yeah, that's that's kinda what we're doing.

Check that out.

I gotta reach out to Vaughn. I uh he's been on this show before, but it was a long, long, long time like the old format he was on.

Yeah, yeah, reach out to Vaughn Vaughn is an older podcaster than any of us.

He's been around for sixteen going on seventeen years.

Fucking granddad fucking podcaster.

He's a I'm gonna say right now, Vaughn is uh is he's not a gentleman, he's a fogey, he's he's a bit of a bitch.

But he's a great guy. And uh just just bring him on your podcast, he'll enrich your life. I love you, uh Vaughn. Of course you know I love you.

he called uh Mr. Cowardly Pucky Bags on his promo there. I forget he calls it now, but it's

Yeah,

Yeah, no, yeah, no no Vaughn's great. Vaughn's great. Everyone should have Vaughn on their show.

Sue, where you at girl? Besides your skin.

Ha ha. No, usually you can just find me here just dipping my toe back in a podcasting.

I guess I feel like I lost my voice for a couple of years and now I'm kind of a whore. If anybody wants me on their show, I'm available.

Cam, when is uh Susperia coming out?

Actually I'm in the middle of editing that one that's coming out later on this week.

It's part of part of franchise m I'm doing a kind of a franchise month. I'm I'm releasing Susperia and then after that I'm doing Demons Part Two.

Uh with my uh another podcast friend of mine, Derek Worley. I'm also doing uh Puppet Master Three coming up from a Holling at the Bull Moon.

Nice show.

And I've got one in the bag for the biggest thing.

This will not excite anybody, but it excited me for Ginger Dead Man too Passion of the Crust.

There you go.

Hey, all all the Ginger Man Ginger Dead Man after the first one I like way more.

I'm the same. I like I like person two and three a lot more.

Until he crosses over into the evil bong universe and I'm just like, Fuck off, Charles Bann, just fuck off.

It's the multiverse.

What if you lose friend of what what kind of film you're in and the you know, that that's where it all turns to shit really here because of

The the the for me the best one is the one the the the roller disco like uh what what is it I can't remember what it's called but it

Saturday night cleaver.

That's it. That's the one. That's the best one. I like that one a lot.

Yeah, I like it.

And did you hear get a supercut? I followed something by accident. I was looking up Alan Oppenheimer on uh IMDB. He's of course is in he's in trans four and five.

Apparently we're getting some kind of fucking supercut of four and five that Charlie's fucking regurgitating and putting out on Blu ray or something.

Yeah, no, they need they need to stop that shit. Full full moon and fucking uh like Wynorsky and Fredol and Ray and stuff like making deals with like Tubi where it's oh

He you can have her movies, but it's the truncated like forty min minute versions of them where all the like sex is like ri ripped out of them. It's like wha why

Yeah. No sex, no violence, I'm out.

Yeah.

I give Charlie's flowers though because, you know, that last subs subspecies film was uh like a back to roots thing in my opinion. But didn't

That was the best thing that the full mooners put out in years.

They didn't have their castle or nothing like that or the whole roommate.

I don't know, I can't quote for sure if it's filming the Romania or not, but that first first one's for film the Romania, you know.

Yeah, well, he had that cat. He had that cat.

He owned that castle and he had what, Paramount money at the time?

In in Italy, he owned the castle of the studio in Italy I believe.

Oh okay.

Um But yeah, the d next next video here is that uh I have a guest spot coming up in June, uh where

Wonderful land of the crews people. Um I supposed to be on there doing the my my Mount Rush more of horror. I pick a decade.

Because it's Bill Van Vagels, um my my one of my brothers in trash his birthday, so he's decided to put the huge task on me and everybody else.

To pick a decade and pick four four genres of horror J-horror cinema and make your Mount Rush for that decade. So I'm I'm not gonna pick the eighties'cause I'm not I'd rather dive into something that I'm I'm more unfamiliar with.

That hurt nobody's feelings. So maybe I'll go for the fifties or something like that just to you know

Battle ground from the fifties, my god.

No, but that that one another wonderful Canadian by my uh m molder of young mind, Bill Van Vagel. You are a fucking bastard.

for for putting tasks on me that do this and everybody else.

Happy birthday man. I love your brother. You know. Uh

I'll leave the end of this one. Go listen to all these great shows. Um I know you're all looking forward to'em. We love to do'em. We love we uh we love to put on our our flying monkey outfits and dance for you guys, let's put it that way.

We love to beat up Nicholas Cage until he learns to love Lula.

Embrace that love, motherfucker.

Exactly.

Oh boy.

So it's from from Lee, from Suzanne, from Cameron

From the the the the faux hog up in ya to shake a body and say this has been the Cinema Beef Podcast. If you got beef, we've got the grinder. See ya next time.

Bye bye.

See ya.

Yeah.