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Look, I am sick and tired of hearing about this goddamn sheriff. Hey Phil,

forget about this Sheriff. Just tell me what the hell are you trying to prove?

You saw his cellular structure. It's completely deranged. It's regenerating new

cells. The lattice is distorts beyond anything human. Oh shit. Come on.

You're jumping the gun and drawing conclusions before all the evidence

is in. So what's wrong with you? What are you talking about,

jumping the gun? What are you in such a hurry for? What are you afraid

somebody's gonna beat you to a new patent? Make some licensing arrangement with some chemical

company or something? Go fuck yourself, Phil. Don't give me

that shit. What is this crap? Stealing human bodies and tampering with

them for our own experiments? Look, Phil, tell me what you're trying to do.

What are you trying to do? Create a new breed of man. Superman. Physically invulnerable.

What about the higher functions? Rationality, thought, emotions.

Phil, listen to me, man. The mind is my field.

Now I thought I would never say this about a human being, but that sucker

is better off dead. Now either you terminate Kirby, or I'm gonna do it.

Who the hell do you think you're talking?

Do I have to remind you that I am your boss and

I will decide what happens in here and when. Not you.

Now get the fuck outta here. Hello folks.

Welcome to Cinema Beef podcast. I am one of your hosts, Gary Hill.

With me tonight is the guys you hear in Last call of

Torchies. That's not such a bad thing in my opinion.

One of those guys from. From north the border for

from. From both of us is the wonderful amazing

host of they Must Be Destroyed on Site podcast,

Mr. Lee Russell. How you doing, sir? I'm doing pretty good.

Just sitting here with. Ready to talk about the.

The exquisite acting of one Charles Norris.

So.

And last but certainly not least, the guy that

owns and operates the whole cinema degeneration,

you know, library circle

of shows, all of those things. Mr.

Cameron Scott. How you doing, sir? I'm doing great. I'm ready

to talk about some good old fashioned ground chuck.

100 ground chuck. The glasses two by

four.

She has all the subtlety and range of a 2x4.

You know, sometimes he does. Yes indeed. You know,

we'll go get into that. You know,

poor Flounder. Hey, we'll get into that. But I'll

start show the same way I always start the show. And I'll ask

Lee first what he's been watching. Yeah, all right.

So I feel like I'm just Gonna repeat what I was talking to Cameron

about here while you were, uh, not in the call yet,

but so I watched

a.

God, I gotta look up the name again because I'm gonna get it wrong

and that'd be really stupid of me.

The night of the following day from 1969,

it's a Marlon Brando and Richard Boone

crime movie. This is like,

I guess in the late 60s, Marlon Brando had started to like get fat.

And this is like after he got in shape again for

a little while before he finally just blew up during Godfather

and Apocalypse now and all those movies where he just got to be big fat

Brando. But, but he's in

shape. He's lean and mean. In this one, him and Richard Boone

are part of a crew of

kidnappers who kidnapped this rich

heiress played by Pamela Franklin.

And this is set in France. So they, they, they snatch her

at the airport and they take her to the French coastline and keep

her under wraps in a little cottage. And basically

they set up the ransom and the exchange for the money and stuff.

And while they're doing that, they just got to keep an eye on her.

And like everybody in the, in the kidnapping group has all their own different problems.

Like Richard Boone is secretly a psychopath.

Marlon Brando's having second thoughts about doing the job.

One of the people in their group is a drug addict and all kinds of

all the problems you don't need when you're trying to run

a kidnapping. So they're, they're all their problems

are coming to a head and it's basically just all

about like, when is the, when are they going to get found out?

Are they going to get caught? Because there's like this French policeman

who keeps wandering around the beach and keeps kind of showing up at

the exact wrong time. And so

it's very, very wrought with tension and suspense and

it's really well acted. As I was telling Cameron,

it's got a really bad ending tacked onto it at

the end that's like just head scratchingly bad. It's, it's a,

it's an ending that if you accept it undoes the entire

movie and you kind of, and it just kind of ruins

the experience. But there's, there's up

to. The movie gets up to a point where you, you can go,

okay, it ends there and you'll be fine with it. Like there's,

there's almost like two climaxes in, in the movie. There's like

the, the expected climax where it's like, okay, movie's over. This is

great. And then it tacks on that little ending that you can

just ignore the second time you watch the film if you want to. So for

me it didn't ruin the movie for me because I can always just re watch

this and stop in like five minutes before the actual run

time is over. And I'm good. But yeah,

really good movie. Now for

something really terrible. Paramount plus just put

out Section 31, which is their new Star

Trek movie. It's got Michelle Yeoh

in it and it's probably the worst thing I've seen her in. It has

nothing to do with her because Michelle yo is awesome of course,

but section 31 is terrible.

I don't know who greenlighted this piece of

but they should be fired because it's terrible.

It's obviously they were going to do a TV series and it really

shows in how this movie's done because they

set up so many like characters and like potential backstories

and stuff that they probably would have paid off in like a couple seasons

of television. But done here it just feels

really scattered brained and disconnected and it jumps from

thing to thing. The term I used

when I was telling Cameron about this is the movie's kind of zoomer brained,

I guess in that it's like just there's you know,

attention deficit disorder all around. This is what this

movie is for people who just can't focus on anything.

It's too cool for school. It's kind of, kind of incorporates

Suicide Squadish kind of stuff with like

Mission Impossible or Ocean's Eleven caper kind of stuff. And like that sounds

like that could be cool in the context of the Star Trek universe.

But it's not because it's done really badly.

It's just all style and no substance.

And also, and this is still.

It just bothers me. There's this head scratching character that

is in this that I don't

know if you know, if you remember, Gary, the original

Star Trek series, they had two aliens

in an episode once. One was played by, by Frank Gorshin.

You know, TV's the Riddler. Forget his name. Like the half

base guy, half black, half white face.

Okay, yeah. One of them is half white, half black and the other one's half

black, half white. And the whole episode was this

really boneheaded stupid analogy

for racism. Basically. It was just, it was like,

guess what guys? Racism bad. No kidding. And like that's one of those original

series episodes that everyone wants to forget because it

was just so badly done and so stupid. And so, like, just obviously

they have a character from that race brought

back into this movie. And I was again,

like, I was telling Cameron, it's like, you know, some things in the original series

are best left in the original series. You don't have to bring them

back as like a cute callback or a wink or anything like

that. Like, you can. I. I hated when the series

Star Trek Enterprise brought back the Gorn because. Because they made them

these weird CGI lizard men that really look terrible

on their own. And it's like, you know what? The Gorn were best

left in that dude in the lizard suit fighting Captain Kirk.

You didn't have to go any further. I mean, they're almost forgetting the point of,

of the United Federation of Planets. It is about,

you know, uniting the planets and uniting the races, uniting the

species, you know, and it goes way back to,

you know, before I was alive, this idea.

You know, I don't know why they're gonna shove it in your face.

I guess for the sake of wokeness, I guess. But it's not. I don't even

think it's a woke thing. I just think some dumbass who was writing

this thought it would be a cute in joke to like have

one of those, One of the characters, one of the people from that race

show up in this modern series. And it's like, I don't

need to see that. It was kind of like when they did Deep Space Nine

and they brought back the. They integrated the old footage from the original

TV show to bring back the tribbles.

Well, you see. Okay, I'll disagree

with you because, yeah, that, that episode was excellent. And they

actually brought back. And I forget his name,

but we talked about. I just did an episode of my podcast where we talked

about the monolith monsters and one of the actors in that was the guy

who played the surgically altered Klingon in the Trouble

with Tribbles. And that guy did not age at all because they

brought, they brought him back for the Deep Space Nine episode as well.

And it was, it was hella cool. But yeah,

some stuff is just left best,

you know, just best left in the original series. It's just, you know, you don't

need to see it again. Yeah, that's a

shame too, because, you know, the, the Star Trek output that they've been putting

out, it has been top notch. They've write

some smart Easter eggs and some of these things and people like,

oh, yeah, there it is. And that was, that was, that was very smartly done.

Like you said it's lazy writing right there. And I,

you would see with somebody like Michelle yo and I was just,

I just saw the ad for it when I opened IMDb. She's looking like a

boss man. How old she

is now, but she's got to be in her 60s. But, but you know,

to have that person, you know, lead a show,

you can't. And it's a movie, right? You said a movie. Yeah,

it's a movie. Yeah. Maybe they were trying to make it a series and

I don't see they could try too hard not to make it a series if.

Unless the parties involved weren't that into it. I, I couldn't

tell you. I think originally for if,

what I understand was Michelle yo wanted to come back and play that character

because it was like a character that was introduced in Star

Trek Discovery, I guess. And she played in that for quite a while.

Okay. But she wanted to like, you know, hey,

let's do a spin off series with this character. That'd be really cool.

And for a while they were behind that. But then they decided to go in

different directions. They did, you know, strange new worlds and they did the lower

decks and stuff like that. And they just decided, you know what,

we're not going to do a series. But we'll still, we'll still run with this

just for the hell of it, I guess. But they made it a TV movie

instead. And it's obvious to me that it feels like

a really chopped down version of like their pilot or

something like their two part pilot that they would probably do if it was a

series. They chopped it down into an hour and a half movie

and it just, it just looks like that, it just looks like

something that's had a bunch of appendages cut off and a

bunch of things that are going nowhere that would go somewhere if there was a

series to back it, but there's not going to be a series to back it.

So it's just kind of like left dangling. Like why did you do

all this work? Just for, for one. A one off.

Yeah, like I stone Cameron. It's literally

the worst thing I've ever seen. With Star Trek put

on its branded on it. It's, it's just, it's bad. It's really bad.

Makes me sad, you know, but yo deserves better.

Yeah. Yep. Hey, genre actress. Anyway, that, that show,

those, you know, later Trek shows were built on genre actors.

I mean look at our man Jeffrey Combs who's played,

I don't know, 25 aliens at some Point in time on those shows.

Yeah. You know, they always talked about it.

He's like, Tony, you can't talk to Tony Todd now. But we talked to him

about his, his Trek experience. He's another one. Just.

There's nothing positivity about it. You know,

the fact they got Michelle Yoda to say, hey, we're gonna do the starring

vehicle for you. If you can't do that and

do it right, you know, with that person. I question

the showrunners. And as that sense, I mean,

them. Putting it on Paramount plus like this as a TV movie just.

Just tells me that they wanted to bury it as quickly as possible.

Yeah, they knew it wasn't good and they wanted to bury it,

which is also baffling because this is,

you know, within the same like parent companies and stuff that

will totally film an entire movie and then just

ax the thing and show it to nobody. But they'll

stick this on their Paramount plus. Okay. Oh,

they're all doing that now. Yeah, Warner is all those people. You know,

eventually we may see that bad girl movie,

but you know, you make a whole movie that I don't know what it costs,

but I had to be a pretty penny and say, you're not gonna watch this

now. It just, it just, it just goes. Yeah, it just,

it just goes to show like a

lot of movies, you know, to talk about movies failing and stuff like that.

Like they didn't make the returns in their initial release and stuff that they're hoping

for yet they can write off some movies as just a tax write

off. Like a hundred million dollar movie is a tax write off or whatever.

It's like you. We can afford to lose $150 million.

To hell with you all y'all. Yeah,

yeah, that's me. Yeah.

Sir Lee. Go ahead, Cameron. I've been.

Haven't had a whole lot of time to watch a whole lot of movies,

but I have gone to theaters twice in the last couple weeks.

I saw the newest public

domain kind of ripoff movie, I guess you would call

it. Although I kind of enjoy a lot of these lower level

movies. I went to go see Peter Pan's Neverland Nightmare.

Nice. And there was like five other people in the theater, which was like

kind of telling how much they promoted this movie because I don't think

anybody knew it was out. But it, you know,

it. I'll say this, it was, in short,

without ruining a whole lot. It was a. It was better than the Winnie the

Pooh movies. It was better than some of the, the like The Three Blind Mice

and the Bamb, you know, retreads that they've

been doing. I kind of like that they brought Peter

Pan like into the realm of reality where he

thinks he's mystical, but like he, he's really not.

And that's all I'll kind of say on that.

There's, you know, like the pixie dust is not pixie dust.

Just, just heroin, you know.

But you know, it was, it was bloody, it was gory, it was low

budget, it was shot, it was shot really well. There was an

inexplicable bus full of kids that

just get mutilated and, and murdered.

It's just kind of like I'm surprised they went there,

but I'm kind of glad they did in a manner of speaking. I don't that

says about my moral compass at all, but.

But them kids anyway.

But you know, it was like I said, it was bloody, it was gory,

the, the body count was high. It was, it was just a good old piece

of modern day exploitation trash. And I

kind of, I kind of enjoyed it, you know, I mean I didn't love it,

but I liked it. But what I did just see yesterday

was the new Wolf Man. And I gotta say,

for a movie that has not done well and I've over heard like overwhelmingly

bad things about, I really, really enjoyed.

I know like a lot of people don't. Didn't like Leigh Whannell's

previous movie, the, the. The Invisible man, which I also thought was

really, really good. It puts a new, you know, this isn't your grandpa's,

you know, Wolf Man. That isn't your universal monsters. Wolf Man.

This isn't, you know, again, I know I feel like I'm advocating for a

remake, which is usually not my forte, but I like

the transformation scenes and kind of some point of view shots that are

done in, in it. It's shot really well, albeit it's really dark in

some places. So it kind of, you know, I have bad

eyes. So it was this. I spelled myself squinting through most of it to try

to like see what the hell was going on. I like the general

overall transformation of the Wolf Man.

I didn't enjoy the final look of him,

if that makes sense at all. You know, like the, where they, where they

started was one thing, but where they ended up was another. Like I was talking

with, you know, Lee before we, we came on the air,

you know, like we were. I watched a couple other werewolf movies.

Not by really choice, just by almost kind of accident, I watched

that werewolves With Frank Grillo, you know,

and that, that was more of it, like, let's face it, that was more like,

you know, as Lee and I were discussing. That was like the Purge. But we're

werewolves. Yeah. You know, but it was still good. It was actually,

you know, it had a lot of, you know, blow them up, shoot them up,

action. But I kind of agree. Frank Grillo needs to, needs to,

you know, pick a lane and run with it, I think.

Yeah, just he's better in, like,

small, like, crime films and stuff like that where

he doesn't have to, he doesn't have to possibly break

his hip doing action scenes. I mean, he still looks great for a guy who's

like 60 now, but, like, come on.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. And for stuff that I've kind

of retreaded because I do a lot of re watches in the last couple of

weeks, I've decided to revisit the entire From Dustal

dawn series. And I,

I realized that those movies steadily got worse because

I hadn't watched the second or third one in many, many years. Although the

first one, the original, you know, I revisit quite often. I love,

you know, from Dustel Dawn, I think dustel dawn 2

blood money, you know, is a good, it's kind of

like a good crime caper. It's a good crime thriller. Just,

just happens to have vampires in it. Yeah. And the

third one, gosh, man, poor Michael

Parks, you know, rest in peace, man. But that man deserved

much better than what he was given in,

you know, dustel dawn 3, which I think was called the Hangman's Daughter, which is,

you know. Is that the one with Bon Jovi?

No, that's the vampire sequel.

Oh, that's right. John Carpenter's vampires. Yeah.

Imagine me mixing those up. Because.

But, but yeah, the one with Michael Parks where he play,

like, Ambrose Beers or whatever. Yes. Yeah,

yeah. I mean, he's great in it, but like, you know,

when you have a cast like that that has Rebecca Gayhart in it and Danny

Trejo and Orlando Jones in it, it's just like,

who was charge of casting that movie? I, I,

I want to talk to them and just like shows on the doll where they

hurt you. Because this, this is just not

good. But, you know, I enjoy him as a trilogy, you know, all together,

that they're, they're all right. But third one, I can

be quite honest, I can just live without that. The second one's a lot of

fun. I mean, Scott Spiegel directed it, so it's, you Know, he's part of the

Roommate, not Romero crew, the Raimi crew,

you know, so it's definitely got, you know, some of those kind of tropes in

it with the wacky camera work and the Bruce Campbell cameo,

but that one's a fun movie. But in

defense of Orlando Jones, you know, as a comedic presence,

I've always liked him. It's like a horror presence.

It's kind of like, you know, in Defense of Dougie Doug, when he

shows up in comedy stuff, I like it a lot. But when he shows me

Dr. Giggles, not so much. Okay.

It's just like looking at my watch. When are you gonna die, man? When are

you gonna die? Oh, look, hopefully soon. Hopefully soon. Yeah. Especially when Larry

Drake's funny enough in that film. So, yeah, you didn't

need any more comic relief in that movie. Larry Drake was enough. But,

yeah, that's pretty much all I've been watching. I did start watching

Monarch. Oh, yeah. The Godzilla show, with which

I was disappointed in the first two episodes because my man Kurt Russell

does not show up. He's like. It's elicit as being in every episode. I feel

like that was a bait and switch. But when he shows up in episode three,

that's when things start getting good. Yeah,

I watched some of that and dropped it, but I liked it. It's just

some. I really. It takes a lot for me to get into a

TV show these days. It's just like, yeah, same, same.

But yeah, that's really all I've been watching, man.

Cool. Yeah, not a lot on my end either, because it

did so Lost. I've done one of these, so it's hard to say, hey,

I watched this recently, so I'll tell

you a couple of things. I rewatched

Dudes for one thing, which I don't want to get too far into, Dudes,

because I. One day I want to do that movie. Wait, like Daniel Roebuck,

John Crier, dudes? Yes. Okay. Because I

have a lot of fun with that movie. And if you guys don't know,

they call it a punk rock western, It's. I got two mentioned before.

Flea is in this movie for a hot second. Not going to give that away.

Leaving. And of course, the ageless Catherine.

Mary Stewart is in that movie doing some Annie Oakley

with the gun and stuff. And, you know,

it's just a fun movie about two friends looking for their friend's killer.

And, you know, it. It gets. It gets oddly

Native American esque. So if you're offended by the slightest goopy

Thing Danny Roebuck has a vision quest. He becomes partial Native

American for some reason. This movie, I couldn't tell you. But you know what?

It begins good and it ends good. And there's a cat in my lap right

now. Get down Duchess As

a kick ass soundtrack too. I gotta say, dudes. Yeah.

If you're going for anything,

those performers working their ass off and that dude soundtrack

is a lot of fun.

And what else? I watch Grafted today

because that's a new movie that's on Shutter. Oh yeah. I gotta say

it's from New Zealand. This is a film,

a body horror film that is better than the substance and the substance is

getting all the love. And this film is not getting as much love

as I think it should because. And it was brand new and everything,

but I, I thought his execution was incredible.

And here's a cat grafted.

It's a graph I feel about a

girl who, Asian girl, moves in New Zealand and she,

her father did weird like experiments with skin.

So she kind of carries on and she like, she's picked on.

So of course she becomes beautiful and then the body horse stuff

kicks in and then, you know, it's like. Yeah, it gets

pretty wild. And I don't recommend everything that's on Shutter,

of course. But yeah, this, this is, this is worth your time. I think.

I, I had a, I had a pretty good time with it.

Cool.

Besides that, you know, football and,

and you know, whatever I can watch at work basically because

I, I work overnights every night and I,

I watch a lot of movies at work and I couldn't tell you what all

those are, but yeah, I have, I have podcasting assignments

to do. So if you like that in the Parade

way stuff, me and John Cross, I know those are coming very soon, but on

the diner this time. So if you guys have not subscribed to both,

please subscribe to all of our programs and the After Movie Diner

as well, you know.

Yeah, that's about it for me today. Tonight we're

here to talk about Chuck Norris as, as implemented in the

first, uh, segment of the show in two

films where we're. We already did Hero, Hero of the Tear,

so. But these, these are two films in which Chuck

fights somebody who's either on or has.

Makes them like subhumanly strong or something.

And those two films could take great genre actors,

especially the first one, Force of1 from 1979

and silent rage from 82, I believe it is.

Yep. A few years later. Okay.

And we'll get into a Force of one. Right.

This trailer. And now,

from Guerrilla Pictures and American Cinema releasing

a special movie presentation.

A Force of One.

What happened? Forces Jennifer O'Neal into black belt action

with Chuck Norris, Phil Wallace, Clue Gallagher,

Ron O'Neill and one whole city's police force. One of them can

stand 10ft away. And dust him off with a piece, Right? Unless the killer

hit before they saw him. I mean, an expert in martial arts.

Hand to hand combat. Somebody who kill with their bare hands.

And not leave a mark.

A force of one. It starts with a routine search.

It ends with a trail of bodies.

Smack. We got coke. We got uppers.

We got donners. We got acid. We got pot. We got angel dust.

We got it. I think some guy was falling. The junkies

are having a field day and the cops are out in force.

But in this business, you need eyes in the back of your head.

The bruises is so deep that there was internal hemorrhage. In other words,

they strangled in their own blood. Lieutenant, there's an epidemic going on.

Whoever did this.

Is as good as dead.

The whole essence of what we do. Is a philosophy

of discipline. A force of one. A blue

steel force that beats out the bad guy's guns and

knives.

A force of one. He's got to make his next shot,

his best shot. Because he doesn't get another chance.

A force of one. He hears the silence.

He sees the darkness. He's the only one

who can stop the killing. Jennifer O'Neal. Chuck Norris

in A Force of One.

A Force of One from 1979.

This is directed by Paul Aaron who time work

really didn't give us a whole lot of. His big claim to fame was

the TV movie Meow.

Yes, the miracle worker for from the 70s.

Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah.

And he gave us a deadly force with the great wings Hauser.

Speaking of John Crier, Morgan Stewart's Coming Home. He's in that movie.

He's that movie too. And that's about the highlights of this man's career and

this, this genre picture right here starring

Chuck Norris, of course, as Matt Logan.

Great Canadian import. I think she's Canadian,

right? Leave another mistaken. Jennifer O'Neill. Is she Canadian?

I'm not 100. Sure. She's. She's in Cronenberg

stuff, right? She is, yeah. She was

in Scanners, right? Yeah, she was in

a Fulci job too. Now since she's Brazilian

American. Oh, okay, fair enough.

Yeah, she plays in Scanners and

some other good stuff. Yeah, Genrectors keep kicking.

Clue Gulagar has done your police chief of this

movie. Superfly himself Ron O'Neill as Rollins

Bill the great Bill Superfoot Wallace

as Sparks. These are crazy. Yeah, we'll get into him in a

minute. A great tournament, great kickboxing tournament fighter.

Eric Lenoville as Charlie LOGAN James

Whitmore Jr. As Moscowitz Richie Melrose Pepe

Serna as Orlando.

Well, we'll go into some of the cases. Somebody's so called Choo Choo

Malai. And this movie is wild. Also the

great Charles Cypress for a hot second. The late Charles Cypress.

Yeah. So we love, we love some Charles Cypress on

the show for sure. But your chief of plot synopsis

of this is with detectives of an undercover you police unit

are mysteriously killed by a martial artist. A professional kickboxer

is hired to do a system and train them, I guess.

Oh my gosh, we use the term training here

lightly. Yeah, oh yeah, definitely. He kind

of, he kind of sits there and watches them slowly do karate and

it's like, okay, you guys are. Not very good at this.

So I'm just gonna watch you guys try to, try to do it, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah, we'll get into this now. Camera. Your thoughts or your initial

thoughts are. Well, thoughts on, like.

I remember catching this one later in the 80s. It was not one that

I caught like initially when it came out in 79 or

even a few years after because I was like three, four years old.

I, I'm more in tune with our second movie, Silent Rage that we're

going to be talking about. But like, I always look at this as lower level

Chuck. To be quite honest. I, I was really a big fan

of like Force, Vengeance and Mission Missing in action and

whatnot. So this is one that I hadn't watched in a long time and I

didn't watch much over the years. I actually liked it a lot better this

time around. I probably hadn't watched it in 15 years. I bet you

at least you know, it's exploitation.

It's 110 exploitation. It's got Ron

O'Neill in it. I mean, Clue Goulager. I mean like. And how

do, how do you not like this movie? How did I not like it in

the beginning? I don't, I'll never know. But.

Well, I know because it's, you know, got some lame moments,

but like some of the twists and turns, you know, we're not so twisty and

not so turny and like, I kind of guessed what was coming along when I

first watched it, even as the young chap. But you know,

generally it's Like, I know a lot of people consider it

top tier Chuck. I can kind of consider it lower level,

mid tier Chuck, if that makes sense. You know,

but it's got a great cast, it's good exploitation.

It's a fun bad. It's a fun bad movie.

And you know, like I said, I, I didn't think much of it when I

was, when it was younger. But you know, now that I'm an older adult,

I kind of like it a bit. I gotta get this one on the,

like a Blu Ray or something. Somebody had to put this out. I'm sure Vinegar

Syndrome, Severin has got a special edition

out there that's, you know, probably costs 125 or something like

that. But yeah, I mean it's, it's a good.

Who done it with not being too good on concealing

who the. Who did it. But you know,

it's, but it's the. My biggest problem with this movie,

I have to say, is very light on the Chuck action.

There's not a whole lot going on for him to do besides

watching bad cops do worse karate.

I mean, am I right? Yeah,

yeah, that's, that's, that's my initial interpretations of this

movie. Fine. But Lee.

Man, I, I'd like to meet the people who think this is

top tier Chuck, because it sure the ain't.

This is like his third film, I think at this

point. Like, like third. To have him as like the

star basically. Right. Like he had done small roles and stuff.

Lee had done Breaker Breaker and Good Guys Wear Black previous.

Yeah, yeah. And like you said,

Cam, he's barely in this movie. Like he, like there's a good

portion of this movie that's just following our squad of cops,

like paired off in different teams and, and the like,

like trying to solve this crime.

This feels like a TV movie.

Exactly. I felt like this movie was very flat in its

like, production. And it felt like, you know, we have

all these good character actors. Like, like you said that,

you know, immediately jumped out at me. I was like, oh, there's Superfly,

there's Clue, Gallagher. Like lots of cool actors in this.

It feels like, hey, here's the, here's the pilot movie

for our TV series that's going to be about Chuck Norris

being a karate instructor who helps this squad of

cops solve crimes every week. That's what it felt like to me because

there's just like, I don't know, the karate in this is very

flat. Like it's not, it's. There's. It's the difference between

authentic looking karate stuff, which you do get in this,

but that end stuff that looks good on,

on camera for like an action move.

Yeah, big difference. Big difference there. Yeah, because the karate guy is

like, he's taking these cops out and like murdering them,

but he barely does anything to them that you can really see on screen.

Like, he kind of chokes one or two of them, hits one or two of

them in a special spot or whatever. But it's not like,

it's not super brutal for the most, most of

the killings in this. There's,

there's like one or two exceptions where it's like, oh. But for

the most part, it's like the karate doesn't look that great. Chuck Norris

is his usual wooden self. So I, I don't, you know,

either you can vibe with Chuck or you can't.

It's one thing or another. Right? I didn't hate

this though. Like, I, I don't think it's like a terrible movie or anything.

I, I, it just feels like kind of every,

like, TV movie that involves cops from this,

this period kind of thing. And it's got a really good score. I'll give it

that. Like, Dick Halligan, who did the Octagon as

well, does the score for this. It's got like a really Funky,

like kind of 70s cop score going on that I thought was really

good. And there's, you know, we'll probably get into

it as we talk about and there's, there's other stuff that I, I thought was

pretty good in this. But yeah, it's, it's, it's a little lower

to your Chuck stuff. It's, it's a little bland in

a, typical of a, of a production with Chuck Norris.

He's surrounded by really great actors who,

you know, at least elevate it and keep it moving while Chuck just,

you know, stands still and once in a while hit somebody and,

and yeah, that's, that's kind of what's going on here. I, I wasn't wowed by

it or anything. I didn't hate it. But yeah,

it's a fair. Chuck told him, told the, the policeman played by Cleveland

Clue, Google that. You know what? He's got this tournament. He's getting ready for us.

He, he ain't got time for this. So. Yeah, he didn't have time

for a training montage with these officers that, to show you on the film.

It just, it was, wasn't gonna happen, you know?

Yeah, yeah. And I felt like in this movie they must not have

trusted his star status because, like, he didn't even have top billing.

No, I mean, Jennifer O'Neill. I mean, literally had top

billing. As well she should have. She was in more of the movie than Chuck.

Yeah, she was the big star in this, like,

at the time, you know,

I mean, I, I love me some. I love me

some Ron O'Neill, but he was,

to be honest, he was never, like a big name,

like, like even, you know, Jennifer O'Neill

or Clue Gallagher were around, around this point.

No, you know, he got super fly,

but that's about it. Like, every, Everything he's,

it's, it's the sad thing. It's just like, Richard Roundtree.

Richard Roundtree was in a ton of. But rarely

was he, like, the big star. Like he was in Shaft. Right,

right, right. Full,

full moon love here. Ron O'Neal was in Police

Police Puppet Master 5 as detective.

Oh, that's right. He was, wasn't he? I don't even know. I just,

I saw, like. What else was he in? Oh,

I got, I gotta look now because I'm curious. I mean, there's this, there's the

sequel to Superfly, then there's the second sequel to Superfly,

which is not good.

Yeah. Oh, this is wonderfully bad. He's in a film called Trained to

kill from 1985.

No. Oh, Robert Zidar's in this movie we just talked about. Henry Silver,

this movie. Chuck Connors. I may have to watch this movie because,

you know,

it's a cast. Yeah, yeah. This Bill, though, I, I,

I, it wanted to be so much bigger than it was.

It's basically about, you know, there's. There's a guy

killing. Killing people, including undercover police

officers with martial arts.

He's literally chopping them in the neck and they fall over, which is a major

problem for this film because you got Chuck Norris in this movie,

you got Bill Superfoot Wallace, who at this

point, were amazing tactical tournament fighters.

You know, kickboxing, your champions, you know, but the,

you're seeing on screen, especially, you know, their fight at the end

is just looking sloppy as. It's looking sloppy as fuck,

but. Because a small, small thing, in my opinion,

but, yeah, sloppier than, you know. Charles Bronson's footwork

and times. Right. Yeah.

But you pick this guy out. You pick, you pick a super foot out.

You know what Chuck did? He. I think he met him at a tournament or

at a gym or something is how the relationship began.

And you put him in your movie and he's not an actor.

So he's just this wooden guy who, you know, much like the guy

in our next movie, he's just kind of like. This guy doesn't say anything.

He just kind, kind of stands there, who's supposed to be, you know,

this ace martial artist who. Who happens to be

addicted to drugs, which I love the fact that they. They play

out with Clue Gulagar there. Like, you're not going to realize that it's him at

the end trying to chuck over by saying, hey, look at all these

drugs we have at the police station. We're gonna destroy these right away.

Yeah, we're going to dispose of

these. Yeah, wink, wink.

But, yeah, I like the idea of, like, you know, because this is. This is

the late 70s, since this is the time of, you know, one of the

bigger drug booms, where this guy who's clearly on,

like, crystal meth or whatever the hell he's on

is having this insane strength because I've seen people on these

drugs before. I've seen some guy get stabbed in a leg and just

keep coming after somebody like you're Michael Myers or something.

So the fact that he could literally feel no pain, you know, because he's

on this drug being this. Just killing cops,

I like that. The idea of this, not the killing cops, partly, but the fact

that he. He becomes a deadly weapon when he's high on drugs.

And yeah, he can. He can choke someone to death in like three seconds.

It's like, amazing. Yes, indeed. Right?

I guess if he knows the right pressure points. Because, you know,

as I learned from three ninjas, there are pressure points on the body where you

can just take Professor. Professor Turu Tanaka

down, no problem if you're 10 years old.

Let's light this fat boy up. You know, one day I'm gonna do those movies

with somebody. Because that third one, again, it contains

many genre actors that you love and, you know, for no reason

at all. Like Charles Napiers in that movie and Don Stark

and, you know, random people in that movie. You know.

Back to this, though. Yeah. Like you guys said, Chuck's barely in it,

though. And, you know, much like his character, I guess he didn't have time

for it because he didn't want to trade these officers. And I love

the German title, dear. Bulldozer is

the title in Germany. I saw that.

Apparently the Bulldozer did not have time to act

in this movie, which I wouldn't call what he's doing now acting. But if

you watch like Breaker Breaker, which is one of

his, you know, Debut starring roles.

He's got much more to do in that movie and does it well

than he does in this movie. Yeah, it's just.

It just he looks like. Like in this movie he looks like Howard

Hessman. Like, he's just. He's. He's much more shaggy Chuck

Norris. He's got the. He's got the longer hair and,

and he just. He looks like a dork.

He looks like a slightly more buff Dr. Johnny fever.

Yeah. His mom put the bowl on

his head and cut his hair for him. He's looking real, you know. Yeah,

yeah. Now you look like a real boy. Yeah. And, you know,

to try to humanize him, they've got this whole subplot where he's got

an adopted son and who. Who was

like, addicted to drugs or some at some point and.

Or his mother was a junkie. I can't remember which one it was. But.

But he took him in and he's training him and eventually you

do have like the, the moment. Like the moment where this

movie just decides to actually go hardcore for like two

seconds. And Bill Wallace, like,

murders. Straight up murders, Chuck Norris's

adopted son or whatever. Right.

Which is. Do they say

he's adopted? I don't remember if he said he was adopted or not, which is,

you know. Yeah, well, I mean, he took into custody

under custody of Chuck Norris or whatever. Yeah. Anyway. Right.

But. But yeah, like, it takes something

like that to get even the slightest emotion of the Chuck

Norris in this movie, which is amazing.

You know, it's either that or just the fact that

these hard drugs are in our streets. So that, you know, that maybe

raises the. The cankles of

Chuck Norris a teeny bit. But it takes.

Yeah, but, but, you know, it. It flat out takes

having his. His de facto son murdered

by the main bad guy for him to give a. To want to like,

go after him and stuff. So, yeah, it's.

It's. It's a little. It takes its. It's really pushing

it. Right. The clues, like.

Well, I guess he was pumped full of drugs and I guess she's dead now.

You know, it was there.

Was there any. I forget, like last week I watched this movie.

Was there an implication that he was addicted to drugs before. Before Chuck

got to him? Yeah, I think there was something about how he had been

taking drugs or something and he. And he cleaned them up with martial arts,

basically. It was like martial arts is what is keeping them on the right track

and keeping them clean and all that. And so. Yeah, because he even said Something

to the effect he's been clean for years. Yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, you know, it's. It's. It's.

I can see. I can kind of see why Chuck took the role,

even though he doesn't really do much in the film, because it's trying to,

like. It's trying to capitalize on,

like, oh, karate and martial arts is, like, kind of big in pop culture

around this time. It's. It's trying to,

like, put a positive spin on it, on how it can be, like,

really good for you. And. And I can always. I can, you know, definitely believe

Chuck was big into promoting that message,

which this movie tries to do. But, you know, it also has the message

that, hey, some karate people take lots of drugs and murder people.

Right? Yeah, it definitely falls in that gray area.

It's like, yeah, you know, it's not white or black. It's.

There's definitely some gray areas there. Yeah,

it needed extended PSA at the end of it. Like. Like Steven

Seagal. Have a fire down below now, you know, big oil company

is bad. You know that, right? You know? Yeah, it does.

Drugs are bad. It'll make kids want to kill people and kill

each other and, you know, you shouldn't do drugs. Okay. And by

the way, support border. Border control, you know. Do you know I'm an honorary

Cajun, also a

cop. He's an honorary Cajun. Jean Claude Van

Damme's an honorary occasion, you know,

and he needs to be said. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. I wouldn't argue with Wolford Brimley on that one.

Yeah. Oh, no, no. He went full bore.

If you ever see the film. A question, Hard target. This is a John Woo

directed film, but you can get both versions on Blur, which is great.

The John Woo cut and the Jean Claude Van Damme cut.

Wiffer really plays Uncle Duvet in the movie, which is Jacques

Club, Van Damme's Cajun uncle who rides a horse with a bow and

arrow. And, you know, you believe that he's Cajun.

Okay. No. Do not spill the moonshine. They kill the grass.

I got me a spot of diabetes.

I still won't eat those Quaker oats, though. Man,

that.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Force someone. You're fine.

Yeah. Like I said, the guy's in his top tier truck, though. I think they

might have slept on it a little bit and said, hey, you know,

I. I think that, you know, I'm glad this is Chuck that I saw,

you know, that I didn't see before, because I did. I didn't

know that. I seen the poster many, many times, you know,

a semi new Chuck sitting in a triangle,

you know. But yeah, the shit's real sloppy and

the red herrings are really red in this movie.

And I, I know that,

you know, Bill Superfoot Wallace is not an actor,

but at least you know, when you choreograph this, Aaron Norris

and Chuck Norris make it look good,

you know. Yeah, it just looked bad. You know,

Bill Wallace is kind of good though, in this as the bad guy. Like he's

a real slime ball, like when he comes to that party or whatever and he

starts hitting on. On Chuck's date or whatever. And yeah,

he's pretty good at that. He's good at playing like a. A jock,

which is probably what he is in real life. So. You know,

the funny thing is I always used to get this movie mixed up with the

Octagon, to be honest with you. Same. Well, I mean, a lot of the same

people worked on the Octagon, worked on this as well. I guess it was

kind of like a one, two punch kind of thing.

So like, like I said, the same guy who did the score for this,

did the score for the Octagon. I think there's like some writers involved that are

the same and like that. So it's.

But yeah, I can see how you get it mixed too because that, that poster,

that poster is super cool. And it's like I could. Even though he's in a

triangle or whatever, you could still believe. Yeah. This is a movie called the Octagon.

Yeah, right. Yeah. You know, because they don't know. What if they don't

know much about, you know, choreographing fights? Where are they going to know about shapes

and sizes and triangles and. Exactly.

Yeah. Chuck Norris wasn't paying attention in math class.

He wasn't looking at octagons and triangles and.

Hey, Chuck knows John. I don't want to hear their about it. Okay? Come on.

Oh, okay. No, see this,

this is what love my mind about this thing because they really were

trying for something because this guy, Ernest Tyreman,

who, who I guess wrote the screenplay, wrote the French Connection,

High Plains Drifter, the Shaft

later sequels, which I enjoyed those later Shaft

sequels of the Samuel Jackson ones.

Oh, right, right, right. Yeah.

Because they're all connected if you guys didn't know any. But the Shaft universe.

Yeah, yeah. Did he also write

on the tv, TV series.

There was a Shaft TV series and. It was terrible scrolling here.

Yeah, this is a stroller Shaft

wrote the novel and a Screenplay, apparently. Yeah.

So I think. I think it's like a, you know, character created by credit

and everything. There were seven episodes of the Shaft TV series.

It's bad. It's really bad. I did not know until today

that there was a Shaft TV series. You don't need to watch it.

Please don't do it. Stark also CL in

one episode, so there's that, you know,

he reprised. Yeah, here you go. Robert Culp in

one episode. A lot of one episode, guys in here. It's like it's Shaft.

And whoever shows up on here, Richard J. Cole.

So this is filled with gray genre actors. It's just Michael

Ansara. That's the guy from Slap Shot, right? Isn't it?

I am wrong about that. He's in the Manitou, apparently.

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's John Singing Rock.

Yeah. Okay. I'm good.

Manitou's wild.

Coming soon. This should be podcast, by the way. The Manitou.

Yeah, it's. It's. It wants to be so good.

It is trying so hard to be good. And that's what's frustrating

about a force of One to me. You know,

you need a little more meat on them Chuck Bones. And, you know,

I think you put that. You put some. That soup bone in

the water a little too long, you know, try to make a fine

broth with that soup bone. And it's just.

Yeah.

A fine Chuck broth, if you will. You know, you feed

it to your senior dog and he. He. His bones feel better. Okay.

You know, because of the Merrell and such.

Oh, my gosh. Any final thoughts out of Force of One,

Cameron? Watch Silent Rage instead.

It's. It's an all right movie. It's not the worst

Chuck's ever done. It's definitely not the best Chuck's ever done.

It's just. It's just kind of mid, as the kids would say.

Do the kids still say that? I don't know. I don't give a.

They still do. Yeah. But, yeah, it's just kind of

mid, man. It's just. It was kind of underwhelming. I like it.

Like I said, I like it a lot more now than I did when I

was younger. When I was younger, I didn't give a. About this.

I was all about invasion USA and lone wolf, McQuaid and silent

rage and bigger and better movies. But yeah,

I mean, like, should you buy it? Probably not.

You know, should you stream it somewhere? If you can stream it on any service

that you already are paying for? Definitely don't pay for it,

I would. That's my final thoughts. Fair enough. Fair enough,

Lee. Pretty sure I watch this on YouTube.

If you find it on YouTube and you're not busy and

you want to kill an hour and a half or whatever, go to it.

It. It's not gonna hurt you none. It's very

kind of listless and bland in most of the running

time. There's a couple bright spots. You know, the. Some of

the fighting stuff is okay, even though, as we mentioned, it doesn't quite

work and there's not. I can't believe I'm saying this, but there's not enough Chuck

in. In this. In this film. Like, I wanted more Chuck, even though he's not

really doing anything. So, you know,

it just. Just go into it with, you know,

lowered expectations. Like, it's. It's kind of a TV movie that has a

couple of more cinematic,

like hardcore stuff in it, but not a lot. And it's.

Yeah, it's. It's just kind of. It's. It's there. It's. It's really like lower

middle of the pack. Chuck Norris stuff. Like, I've seen a lot worse from Chuck

Norris, let's put it that way. But yeah, definitely.

Yeah. Yeah, this is fine.

Again, like I said, not. Not top tier. And by the way, the special edition

of this is put up by Keener Lorber Classic. So it's

a recent one and it's currently sitting at 21

something on Amazon right now.

Brand new 2K Master, which is a very dark film. So that would

really be to its detriment.

New audio commentary. Film historians Brandon. Brandon Bentley

and Mike Leader. Audio commentary with director Paul Aaron

making up 15 minutes, 26 seconds. TV spots,

radio spots, all that stuff. Again,

if you get it again, Kino always has a sale. So if you get

that half price, Kino say hit that sweet spot and you get it

for like 10 bucks. I say get it, you know, if you're a Chuck completist,

but, you know, if not, you know, streaming on YouTube like Lee

said, and make your own choice. And I mean, I think I streamed it.

It was on Pluto tv. Yep, yep.

Which, you know, again, another free service, so don't spend money on free

service. I've been living on that, that Twilight Zone channel they

recently added. I. I wish it had all

the zones on there. I would love to see some 80s twilight zones on there.

Yeah, yeah, those are hard to find on dvd,

but yeah, force was fine. It tried.

It tries to say something about the drug, the drug trade

in the 70s, but you

really don't get a whole lot here.

One scene I forgot to mention is again

scenes. The love of this movie is the scene where Chuck

learns all of a sudden about, about team prostitution the hard way. Oh yeah,

right. It just beats the out of the pimp. That's a good

scene. Yeah, it's like Chuck Norris walked into an after

School special is what this movie is,

huh? Yeah, it is, it is. It's like Schoolhouse Rocks, man.

This is what we're doing this for. Do you see the track marks that are

arm. Yeah, I learned it from watching you mom,

you know, but not really though. But.

Expect to see like Linda Blair pop up as a teenage alcoholic

or something, you know. Oh, that's, that's another movie, you know.

Isn't that a film where she's a teenage alcoholic or something?

I forget. But yes,

but yeah, this is fine. I, I again for, for, for,

for, for one time watch for a multiple time watch.

If you like it, check it out. That there are

worse. Check those things out there. Most of that came post

90s, like in the 90s and that that stuff came. But I

would declare that this is better than that with the exception of

Top Dog because who wouldn't want Chuck Norris and

Samo Hung in a karate dog? I don't know. I don't

know who you are if you don't like that.

It's just. Yeah, Top Dog coming

soon, dog. Or I totally forgot about Sammo Hung being in

that movie. Yes, I've seen Top Dog.

Yeah. We're animal lovers here. And you know, as a kid, you know,

that was the checkdoors. You watch, you watch Top Dog, you watch Walker,

Texas Ranger. You watch sidekicks way too many times and you know,

and when the parents. Weren'T home, you put on fire Walker.

Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah.

Sonny Landham doing his thing. Yeah.

Native American. Well, he's more believable as Native American than anybody else really, you know.

Yeah, right.

Oh my God. Oh, Billy bear. Yes indeed.

This has been a review of Force of One.

We'll be right back after this trailer with our review of better movie

Silent Rage right after this.

Columbia Pictures presents Chuck

Norris. Hot damn. Wider.

Call the police. Not me, boss.

Nobody call the police. You must be a maraud.

The master fighter of our time.

But not even he could imagine the power

of the indestructible man. He is about to

face a

creation of science whose only thought

is to survive the

unstoppable terror of

silent rage. Now Chuck

Norris must destroy him.

In. A final battle to the death and

beyond.

Silent Rage.

Silent Rage from 1982. Starring again,

Chuck Norris as Dan. As Dan Stevens. I guess he's

some kind of ranger in this movie. We'll get into that again.

A great character act, a great genre actor. Ron Silver

in this movie as Dr. Tom Holman. Another great

character actor, William Finley, is Dr. Paul Vaughn.

We got Stephen Keats, our sleazy doctor, Dr. Phil Spires,

Chuck's crush, Chuck Sex Montage.

Tony Column as Allison Holman.

Brian Libby as our unstoppable force, the Silent Rage

himself. John Kirby, the great Stephen

first, who I first saw and PM Entertainment's

Magic Kid with 10, Ted Chin, whatever the Roberts's

name. Yeah, he.

He's an animal house. He's in a bunch of stuff. Bunch of genre stuff

that you know and love. Lots of Star Trek too. Lots of Star Trek too.

Yeah. So he worked a lot of genre stuff over the years.

Stephanie Dunham as Nancy Hallman. Yeah, we'll get into some

more other stuff in a minute here. But this,

it's a better movie than the last movie. Your cheap applause

synopsis is this. A sheriff tries to stop the killing spree

of a silent maniacal murderer who as a result of a

secret genetic experimentation by an unethical

scientist. A lot of big words there. Has the ability to re. Re heal.

See, this guy's got Wolverine powers. And you know what? This is a mix of

unstoppable force and the fact he's probably like 7 foot tall compared

to Chuck. Yeah, but with

lead this time. Lee. Sally Rage. Lay us out. Lay it on us, brother.

Way better than our previous movie as we already alluded to.

Amen. And this is, and this is, you know,

it's surprisingly not a canon film. This is

still pre canon Chuck Norris that's going here.

And it's a sci fi slasher mashup where

it's like our, our Michael Myers style

killer is a. Is a up medical experiment

that's trying to like, you know, heal people.

But it goes wrong and turns this guy crazy and he's now this like

kind of emotionalist monstrous killer who just

starts hunting people down. So,

you know, one of two movies I can think

of that where Chuck is like directly up against like

a slasher killer, like hero in the Terror,

which I think does the concept a little bit better than this does.

But this time around,

watching it, I enjoyed this a lot more. Maybe part

of it does have to do with like I watched Force

of One right before that and that was like really Bad

compared to this. But, but,

you know, this, this, this flows a lot faster.

I, I might be butting heads with you guys on

this, but I did not dig Stephen first in this movie. I could have done

without him. He's my least favorite thing in this entire movie.

And, and you know,

the. He shares at one point in

a, in a character moment that he killed a dog. And I was like,

well, you're, you're really stacking the, the deck against

you in this movie, Stephen. I'm really

not enjoying this. But this has better Chuck stuff.

Like, it's just more Chuck doing Chuck stuff. Like he's got a great bar fight

in this where he beats the. Out of a bunch of bikers.

You got Ron Silver doing his thing. You kind of

feel like he's going to be the villain, but he's just kind of like villain

adjacent. He's. He's kind of like, just caught in the middle.

Chuck gets to like,

romance Ron Silver's sister because they had like

a previous romance going at some point. And that's

kind of weird seeing Chuck Norris, like, try to act and be romantic

and, and be like a flirt when he just kind of comes off as a,

as a, as a creep. But, you know, yeah, definitely. It's like, you hurt my

feelings. Yeah. But yeah,

this is about as close to, you know, outside Hero in the Terror.

This is about as close as you get to Chuck Norris fighting Michael Myers.

And that's not a bad thing.

And you, like Gary mentioned William Finley's in

this for whatever reason, you know, the Phantom of the paradise

himself is just in

this. And yeah,

pretty good. We'll get into it. But I like this a

lot more than, Than a lot of Chuck stuff.

So, yeah, I think the reason why Hero the Terror

as a presence, you know, super, you know, being.

Being. That's it being twice. But I,

I digress that. That Jack O'Halloran plays the,

the. The villain of sorts in that movie. And that's just an opposing

force. And so, you know, if you guys know that that's

non. The. The big guy from Superman.

Not. Not. You have the. The. I'm pretty sure you knew who he was.

I'm just telling the audience, you know.

Yeah. Cameron, Sir Salon Rage. Lay it out,

son. One of my favorite Chuck Norris movies,

as you said, Lee is the closest that we ever got to Chuck Norris fighting

Michael Myers and I am here for it.

Probably my favorite Chuck Norris movie next to either

like Code of Silence or maybe, you know,

Invasion USA, you know, Lone Wolf McQuay. But I could

go on and on getting a list of my favorite Chuck Norris movies. But,

like, you know me, I'm. I'm a big horror guy. So this is as close

as, like, really that, you know, Chuck ever got to horror,

you know, because let's face it, John Kirby is a formidable force.

He's. He's. He's Michael Myers without the mask and without the knife.

He's just breaking backs and cracking necks and crushing skulls

and doing all types of. I mean, we got that wonderful fight scene

in the biker bar, which is just. No, I laugh at

it. You know, I laugh at it now. Before, I was just like, oh,

this is Pete Chuck. You know, like, nah, this is Pete, you know, choreographed Chuck.

Yeah, but, you know,

it's. And William Finley is great in this. Like, I mostly

recognize him from the fun house where

he played the drunk magician. I like. It's a great

character actor. And I will admit I kind of have a love hate relationship

with Stephen first, like, you know, no pun intended,

but at first I liked him, and a little bit later, I could.

When he gets to the. The dog story, you know, about putting the dog in

the deep freeze, like, I'm like, oh, you're not ingratiating yourself with us,

sir. Yeah, I'm not feeling bad when you bite the big

one and like it. I did not know until

many years later that the. The lady that recorded the

song, the love song, during Chuck's love scene was Katie Seagal.

Oh, really? Yeah. Well, good old

Peg Bundy, man. I mean, I was just like, wow, I did not know that.

Just call it what it is, Cam. Call it Chuck's montage,

because that's what it was. Okay. You know? Yes. They're in

the house, they're in the mud. They're having a good time. You know,

like, it was what. The only time we've seen a scene like that maybe Besides

Lone Wolf McQuaid, which, you know, totally different kind of

movie, but. Yeah, I mean, this movie is fun. It's got humor, it's got

action. Unlike, you know, the previous movie, A Force of One.

It's. It's got, you know, it's prime Chuck.

The best way I can put it. Prime Chuck.

I mean, that's how I put it, you know, when a Chuck Norris movie is

especially good. Yeah, it's prime Chuck, you know?

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Sally Raisley.

I. I have to read her 8. But these guys say, you know, it's the

first time in. The only time. Well, second to hero and Terror

you're gonna get Chuck Norris fighting Michael Myers. Which, you know, deep down

side, that's all we would really want. But this would

answer a lot of questions about freaking Michael Myers. Like, what if Michael Myers

was induced with some kind of serum to make him heal? You know,

that would explain so many things, not just this culture thorn.

So yeah, in a way, you know, Silent Rage

explains the mythos of Michael Myers even better

than Halloween does, you know. Right. Considered a lesser

movie. So, so, you know, I don't understand this concept of it,

you know, and I, I, I do love we get

some good Chuck in this movie. I mean, right at the beginning though,

you get you, what he's great about the beginning is you establish this character

who's infinitely terrifying.

But you could tell her he's having problems. Like he's making

calls and say, you know what? Whatever it is, is it working? And you know,

he's, he's losing his, losing his. And I'd be losing it in that house

too, man. Oh yeah. Kids and a woman who

I thought was Beth Grant, but it was not Beth Grant. You know,

I was like that best Grant, you know, because, you know, if you guys don't

know that is listeners. She, she doubts

your commitment to Sparkle Motion is all say about Beth Grant right there.

The biggest thing people know her from is, is Donnie

Darko. But she's been in many other things. But she's not in

this movie. Which blew my mind. That wasn't that person.

Yeah, this is great. I mean, Chuck. There's many scenes

where Chuck is fighting, trying to find this man or fighting

against this man, like they said. Stephen first is,

is I, I look at it, I look him at

him as like the goofy comic relief that wasn't,

was necessary but unnecessary because, because again,

just like Chuck's son, you know, when he

dies in force, the one, you know, with Steven first unfortunately

gets bear hugged to death in this movie. It's, it's, it is.

Even then he gets that stupid like a western death. Yeah, I've hurt

real bad, boss. I'm hurt real bad, you know, and he

crow and Chuck's just holding them. And holding on to him. It's like, you'll be

okay. You'll be all right. Like, no, my back is broke. I'm dying

soon. It's not getting to my brain anymore. But I, I stayed away

just long enough to say, I'm hurt. Balls. He hurt me real bad.

The doctors are really great in this movie. William Finley

has mentioned. This is like, you know, your,

your Your peon that's going along with

things. Ron Silver is. Is the

scientist who. Who wants this to stop. But again, Stephen Keats is

your. Your mad doctor, Dr. Spires, who says, you know what,

we up our years of research because you want to

do something. Blah, blah. Of course, them all over because, you.

Know, essentially Dr. Frankenstein at this point.

Yeah, yeah. You want Dr.

Hallman to live about Ron Silver, but, you know, he. He's the first one to

go, which is kind of up in retrospect, you know.

Yeah. Him and his. Him and his. His girlfriend in

the. In the like the real serious, like, slasher movie.

Yeah. Segment and the thing. Right.

Especially when, you know. Sorry,

yeah, I was just gonna say, like, especially when, you know, they find the bodies

and stuff later on. It's like. Yeah, that's. That's straight

out of like, that. Stuff like that. And like,

you also get like the sort of like, Loomis looking down from the window

Halloween shot as well. Like, there's definitely a lot of stuff that's just like directly

lifted from Halloween in this movie.

But it could easily been like a Chuck Norris

vs Michael Myers Specs group. I'm not

on Carpenter, but they do it better as far as like,

hey, hey. But there's a curse. Like, no, no, no. They. They use science

in this movie. That is not real. Of course. And I.

We talk about William Finley in this movie. He has

one of the greatest white guy deaths ever because after

he's told to inject that what I'm guessing is some kind of

acid into our killer to. To terminate him, he of course

uses Wolverine powers to deny the acid and wakes up

and William Finley seems. Coming down a hallway, the shadow of him,

and he has the. Hey, we cool, right, bruh? We cool.

No, we're not cool. We're not cool. And then he dies. And then,

you know, I just love that, you know, hey, we cool moment

by William Finley. And you know, when he holds up. The syringe in front of

him, like, no, no, I did this before. I'll do it again the first time.

I just love that concept that he. He has this power to regenerate.

That was. That was given to him by man. The whole mad

scientist aspect of this is. Is insanely well done.

I. I don't want to say it belongs in a better movie, but they took

that concept from this movie to turn somebody into Wolverine

without that adamantium. I think it would be really cool if

they did this again, but like, in another. In another plot

and. Oh, I think they Wanted to. I think they wanted to do a sequel

because they set it up for a sequel, but they never. He has

a Skeletor moment where he comes out. Yeah.

Scared the. Out of me as a kid. I just

think when I saw this as

a kid, when I was like 6, 7 years old and my mom

rented it for me, you know, I remember being glued to the couch.

I could not move. After that scene was over, I was scared to walk to

15ft over to my bedroom to. I was just frozen.

I was scared shitless of that ending. It's out of

focus, you know, but he looks terrifying even

out of focus when he plummets out of the water.

He has the Skeletor ending where he just pops out of the water. But he

does. I'll be back. He just, you know, because as we know,

Frank Langella was not back at Skeletor. And that makes me

sad because he was so good at it.

Only one trying in that movie. No.

If you haven't seen the Power of Grayskull documentary, he has a whole section

on there where he talks about him changing the lines.

You know, hit all of his lines and, you know, work at that rubber

mask. You know, the alpha and

the omega. So good.

It's so good. If you haven't seen it before, master the universe.

You can go to YouTube, watch all the Skeletor parts in one video, and,

you know, your day will be better, in my opinion, you know? Right.

Right. Yeah. But this film,

I. I think it's. The action's great. I mean, the martial arts is

120 more cleaner in this movie, which is important

when your starring vehicle is Chuck Norris and he's known for doing

martial arts, and it's just

a lot. A lot better. And I.

I'm like, these guys. I. I feel bad when Steven first dies, but then again,

he did kill a dog, so that. That gets cut in half pretty

easily. I only feel, like, half as bad about it.

Yeah. When you deep freeze a dog, you're like,

yeah, that's. That's bad. Yeah. I'm just gonna say I'm.

I'm happy he died in this, and he should have died sooner. I. I could

not take Stephen first in this movie. It just. It. It. I did

not need comic relief in this. Like, I think that's one of the.

If I got any criticisms of these. Of this movie, really, it's more

that, like, I kind of wish it just stuck strictly

to, like, being a serious slasher movie and not having to have,

like. Like, even the bar fight Which I like. It feels out of

place in this movie. It should just be Chuck versus Michael Myers.

This should be the thing. But they told those guys to get out of town,

though. Come on. Only, you know, I love the one.

Guy when he's like, well, nobody called the police. It must be a mirage.

It's just. It's just they're. They're from a different movie, right?

Like, maybe another movie where Chuck Norris is a cop cleaning

up a town. That's fine. Like, Chuck Norris didn't even have to be a cop

in this. He could have been anything else. And you

could have had the same plot for the most part. And you just.

You take the bikers out, you put in a few more slasher kills. You have

Chuck Norris as maybe a detective or something, like,

you know, like a PI Hunting down this killer or something that.

That works. He could easily been, like, a security guard working at the hospital did.

Like. True. Yeah. Something's not right here.

I'm gonna investigate. I like that idea. Because then

you get a little bit of Halloween 2 in it as well. Like, this guy

attacks, like, Chuck's old girlfriend, and now she's in the hospital, and Chuck

has to protect her in the hospital. Yeah. It's essentially Halloween 2

with. Without the Michael Myers mask. That's what it is. Yeah.

Now you gotta think about Halloween 3. Dan Chalice, Chuck Norris

mashup. You know, where they have to fight for mustache supremacy. You know,

deciding who's gonna. Your mother first. Yeah. You know,

if you look at the poster, it's got a great poster. Because Chuck Norris

is so big at this point, they give a. If they use his

character name at all. And the poster just says, science created

him. Now Chuck Norris must destroy him.

Like, One man's Mission Disturbed. Like, no, no, you're gonna.

Twice on this poster, because it says there, and it says

above the title, Silent Rage with Chuck Roundhouse

kicking the title card, you know, just to let you know

that, hey, Chuck Norris, if you didn't miss the massive picture that we're sitting

right there, too, of him. He's in this movie. Yep.

And he has silent rage, too. You know,

Chuck's always got silent rage, so that's the thing. But he has

audible rage. And that's the problem. I don't want to

get into politics, but they're a little warped sometimes, you know? Oh,

yeah. But we love him for the good stuff that

he's done, though. So there's that, you know. Yep. Like Sally

Rage. I mean, I recommend this film to anybody. I mean, this is one of

those argument films as horror fans.

Is, is this film a slasher? Yes, this film was a slasher. It just happens

to have Chuck Norris in it, you know. Yeah,

you're karate kicking Dr. Loomis, you know.

You know, I think, you know, people hesitate on this one because

it doesn't quite go as hard as 10 to midnight does

with Charles Bronson, right where that one is like very sleazy.

Like that one's like American giallo slasher almost

kind of thing. Whereas this one still has enough like

Chuck Norris as a cop doing cop things and outside

distractions. So there's a bit more of a gray

area there. But yeah, I'd say it's still straight up pretty much a horror movie

in the, for the most part, it just. Happens to have Chuck Norris in it.

That's the only difference. Now John Kirby was hanging dong

like the guy intended Midnight the whole time, you know.

Equal, Equal exploitation.

Yeah, well, I, I, I, I'm sorry, Chuck Norris. We need

a huge dildo attached to the power drill, you know,

or that the, Was it a foot or something? A rubber foot?

Yeah. You know what? This is for jacking off, isn't it?

No, I haven't seen that movie too many times. No, no, not at all.

Yeah, you, you need that, that biker bar scene,

you know, I almost wish that to create more, more comic

relief just to really lay it home that, hey, he's here to die, to be

comic relief. Charlie rolls up in the foot with a, like one

of those Bill Cage paddy wagons.

Throwing those guys in the paddy wagon. I forget which,

which police academy that happens in, but it happens in the Police Academy movie where

Hightower just goes. Everybody starts cleaning house at the Blue. Oh, that's part

two. Yeah, it's just part two. Yeah. Starts throwing guys in the back

of a paddy wagon, you know. Oh, yeah,

because that was a Mouser joint. I forgot now. Yes, the tracks.

Yes. Oh, yeah. Another series

I can't get enough of for no good reason at all. I just can't get

enough of it. Even, even Mission to Moscow,

people. We'Ll have to agree to disagree on

that one. Mission to Moscow.

You got Rob Perla doing bad Russian accent in that movie, though. Come on now,

you know, I'll get. I'll give you that much. I'll give you that much,

sir. No, this, this, this is

great though. Hey, this, this is, this is top tier Chuck and

prime Chuck, if you will. That soup bone tastes really good,

you know. Might make some, some tasty beef Stew,

even if you will. But yeah,

that's, that's all my thoughts on the final thoughts on the film.

Lee. Yeah, this one,

this one's entertaining. This is one you could put on and enjoy and not just

have it in the background. Like this one you can pay attention to because,

you know, there's enough stuff going on around Chuck that's really good.

And then Chuck himself is pretty decent in this one. Like, at least he's trying.

He has like some character stuff he actually does in this, you know,

even though, like we said, he kind of comes off as a creep with his

love interest because he's just kind of like, hey, remember when we used to date,

we should just start doing that again. And despite the fact that,

you know, at first she protests or whatever, but she seems into it.

So you kind of get like, why did they even break up? I don't know.

It's just because he needs to have a. He, he needs to chase a

girl in this, apparently. But yeah,

the slasher stuff, when it happens is really good. You got

like, you know, three doctors. One of them's evil,

one of them's kind of in between. The other one's kind of like a

good guy who's trying to do his best but gets in the way.

And I liked all that stuff.

And you know, the killer is imposing. He's. He's a credible

threat to Chuck. Like Chuck doesn't end up killing him in the end,

you know, so that says something for, you know, that's a rarity

in, in one of these movies where Chuck doesn't,

you know, Chuck doesn't ultimately win.

Yeah, I like this. I like this a lot. It, it's, for me, it's like

it's in the top two. Like if you, you're doing like a tier list

ranking or whatever, like people do sometimes.

This is kind of like up near the top tier, but like

lower half of the top tier. I'd say, like, it's not quite as good

as his best movies, but it's a really fun Chuck

Norris movie at the end of the day. And that's kind of what you're asking

for. You're not looking for necessarily great drama or

like top tier action movies with Chuck Norris. You're kind of looking for,

you know, just kind of fun. And if you can

get that out of Chuck, you got a good Chuck movie and that this is

a good Chuck movie.

Cameron, I agree about 110 with

everything Lee just said. Like, it's a fun movie.

I, although I will Disagree with one thing. I like the humor of it.

It's not much. It's not often.

Sorry. That you actually get a Chuck Norris movie that has humor,

that has comic relief. And I feel like Stephen first does

kind of work. He doesn't work at times he's a little overbearing, you know,

on things. It's a, you know, some of

his mishandlings of,

of certain scenes. There's just a little bit much. But I kind of

like, I mean I, I do, I do generally like Stephen first in this

movie. I mean, he's not as annoying as say,

Franklin and then Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Yeah,

annoying. You know, he's not. I don't hate him quite that bad. I have a

love hate relationship with his performance here. But it's the sky,

probably with Stephen first in this movie is that he feels like a kid on

a ride along. Like, like the whole movie. Yeah, right, right. So he's like,

hey, it's time to get serious.

You know, he feels like he's like a 12 or 13 year old really.

On a ride. Yeah. But you know,

I, I do love this movie. It was one of my first Chuck movies that

I ever saw. It made me scared the out of Brian Libby for a

lifetime, man. I did not like him as

John Kirby. Well, not did not like him, but I feared him. I, I thought,

thought he was a palpable presence, you know.

And it, this movie kind of has like different. And use this word

again, Tears of Villains. You know, ron Silver

is Dr. Hallman. Is that his name? Dr. Hallman? I think it was,

you know, was kind of like the reluctant villain. Stephen Keats was straight

up Dr. Frankenstein and you know, Brian Levy,

you know, was straight up Michael Myers. I mean, it was just,

it was. It's a lot more of a complicated Chuck movie than I think we're

used to. I think most of the time it was either straight karate, straight action,

straight cop movie or something. This movie was multifaceted

and I love it for it. And you know, you know, you don't hire

Chuck Norris, as the director said, you know, you don't hire Chuck Norris

not to do karate. And he does plenty of it in

here. He runs, he runs Brian Libby over, he shoots him, he sets him on

fire, he drowns him, beats him, throws them at the bottom of the well and

still can't kill that son of a. So I, I think it's one

of the bigger travesties in sequel film

history that this movie never got a part 2. I think it was. They Were

probably hoping for it, but I know it didn't really do as well as they

were hoping. I think it made like 10 million box office, which even for like

early 80s was not superb. Yeah. Because its

budget was 4.5 million. So like 10.5

million isn't a big enough return at this point where it's like, yeah,

we'll try it again. You know, it's not like a Friday the 13th where if

they do that, then it's like, okay, let's do it again. This is.

This is more disappointing for.

For them. Yeah. But I love this movie.

I consider it middle to top of the heap of Chuck

Norris movies. It's. It's definitely some prime ch.

Nope, I had myself on mute there. No, no, I.

Yeah, this is very enjoyable. Again, top 10.

It's kind of hard to pick a top five for Chuck Norris films, in my

opinion. And I know you guys are thinking, oh, why? It's just Chuck Norris

because he made some quality genre stuff and he. He kind of always knew,

especially early on what. What movie he was in, if that

makes any sense to anybody else. It just.

Yeah, yeah. This film itself, you know, he was surrounded by gray

genre people imposing force,

and he looked terrifying when

he went full bore there, bro. Brian Libby is John Kirby.

He had the killer was doing. Doing good stuff. And again,

that little bit of comedy tension there really

lighten the mood of the film. Film, I guess, for a while.

Because you. You would have that. That bit of like, levity, like the.

The sex montage or like the bar in

between of. Of, you know, brutal murders.

So what turns folks off of the fact that Chuck Norris

in this movie to say, hey, this film's not a slasher. And I'm telling you,

hey, hey, it is. And you know, go.

Go check it out. Available on

Tubies. So you have no, no, no, no recourse to say,

hey, I'm not watching that movie and paying for it. You can watch it

for free on Tubi. I'm sure it's a fine print of the film too.

Yeah. Because you don't have to pay for it. So there you go. We got

no reason to skip. There you go. But that

is, that. Is that for. For good old Chuck for today?

I'd love to do Breaker Breaker on your show one day. That'd be a lot

of fun. Lee, him and good old Jan. Michael Vincent, I think said that

movie. Oh, yeah, yeah. That. That sounds like something we

should do. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

Breaker in years. Oh, yeah, I watch it. It's pretty fun. It's pretty

fun. And we'll be back right for this to

close out the show. Chuck Norris

Karate Commando. Bring it up.

Figure so separately location Tibet assignment recovers

stolen microchip. Protecting it was super ninja.

First Teemo stood up to him and was down.

Then Reed Smith flew in and was grounded.

But now it's his karate against mine. Chuck Norris

Karate commandos. Chuck Norris super ninja. Reed Smith Chemo and other figures sold

separately new from Kenner. Thanks guys for coming on

and filling in for my, my normal beepers. I know

that's always a pleasure to be with you guys. It's been a while since we've

done Torchies and that's coming real soon too.

Spoilers, guys, if you will. You know. So they've

been away for a while and I'm, I'm looking forward to.

I'm glad we got back in the saddle tonight. I'm glad to get back inside

looking with you guys, the saddle and the trenches.

Pick. Pick an analogy. Here I

go to bed for these gentlemen anytime they ask me to, let's put it

that way. You know,

you guys got a lot of stuff going on. I mean, Lee's been releasing a

show a week. I'll start with you, Lee. What you got

going on on the show and what you got coming.

Yeah, so I had a pretty good January actually,

where I got. I managed to get a bunch of shows out, so that was

good. We did, did Highlander and

we sort of talked about the, the franchise itself as

a whole as well on that episode. So that was a lot of fun.

We did the Matador just

last week, which was a fun little talk. If people

are not familiar with that one. That's the Pierce Brosnan one where he's kind of

like trying to sort of get

the stink of his Bond portrayal

off of him by sort of playing an anti Bond in that. And it's

got Greg Kinnear in it and it's real fun. So we

had a fun discussion there. We also did the. This past

month we also did our best and worst first time watches for 2024.

That was a big episode as well. And just

last night I recorded a episode on the Monolith

Monsters with my guest Matt Anderson. And That's

a Oddball 1950s sci fi movie

from Universal Studios that a lot of

people don't know about. It's kind of like a. Almost,

almost a Lost movie in a sense. Whereas, you know, people just kind of overlook

it or they just never check it out. But it's very Much worth

checking out. And that episode will be out. That'll be

the latest one probably by the time you hear this.

And as for that, I don't, I don't know what's coming

up next. I, I planned out January, but I

did not plan out February at all. So who knows how many episodes

are going to come out. Maybe two. I'm hoping for two. See what they

are. Not sure yet, but yeah, that's,

that's what we're doing over it. They must be Destroyed on site

tmbdos.podbean.com so check that out if you're

so inclined. Cool.

Today, January 26th of 2025.

Happy New Year, by the way. I know it's late and everything,

but you know what, we've been around that often, but Cameron

just released episode a day of his show. Tell us all about it,

sir. Yeah, I just released an episode on my show

called Without Warning where I surprised my friend Corey Dawson out of the blue,

without warning if you will, and with a surprise topic. And we

did a famous movie, weapons, you know.

So we talked a lot about Ash's chainsaw, Frenchie shotgun,

robocop's gun, the Adam the Atlantean

sword from Conan the Barbarian amongst like dozens and dozens of others.

But it's the first episode I've released in a while. I kind of took a

hiatus from not recording but from releasing stuff

and editing for a while because seasonal depression kind of

hit me like a freight train and was moving out of a new house,

out of, out of an old house, moving into a new house. So it was

just like buying and selling a house. It was like, like just super stressful.

So I decided to put everything on the back burner. But I'm back at it.

I have an episode coming up on my Grindhouse Pizzeria show with

my buddy Tom Commissar. We're talking about the Burt Reynolds joint White

Lightning. Oh yeah. And my wife and I are doing a

top 10 of 2024 episode that we're going to be

recording tomorrow. So it's kind of like a year in review. Our top

10, you know, our top 10 movies we saw in 2024.

And then I got a couple of others that are coming out. I got a

transfers three episode that I'm going to be releasing here in a couple of weeks.

We're in about, about a week, week and a half. And next month I'm

starting to release my long recorded. But like,

just like I said, put them on the back burner. I'm doing A David Cronenberg

appreciation month for February. Cool. So I'm doing

several episodes of that, you know, Crimes of the Future,

Rabid History of Violence,

Scanners and a couple others. Might record one or two more.

And then I got, you know, a couple other things in the work.

But I've been doing a lot of writing lately too, and then the last couple

months. So I'm in the hard at work on my first novel. So I'm kind

of excited about that after publishing a couple of short stories in

the last year. So I'm working on my first novel. So that's taken

up my. My most of my time while I haven't been recording or

editing on anything. So been trying to keep busy all the same,

you know, so it's a good excuse, sir. I'm looking forward to checking

it out, you know. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

At the civil camera shows, if you guys haven't listened to the

Gator McCluskey saga episode that we did on this show,

myself and John Cross had a good time talking

about the. The mysticism of one Gator McCluskey and.

You know, Gator man. Gotta love

some Gator man. Yeah.

This show.

Next guys, have you hear. These guys will be in our last call Torches Recordings,

which next up in line is Undisputed with Wesley Snipes, Fing Rhames,

Peter Falk. There's a lot of great character actors in that movie

that we'll get into when we talk about that. I'm not gonna

say if I like it or not yet, but it has a lot of good

actors in it. But I give it that. You know,

the Charlie Band, Empire produced

Arena, which I had more

fun with it, and Undisputed, and we'll talk about why when we get into

that. But it's. It was the first time watch for me and

it's kind of a blast, actually, you know, so there's that,

yeah, this show. There's stuff. There's stuff

that could be coming.

It depends on, you know, Suzanne and

X have been very busy with the holiday stuff, but that's winding down.

But he's always busy with. With writing for Biff Bam Pop

and other things. But we, we have scheduled shows that

are supposed to be coming eventually.

I'm trying to scroll back and find out what those shows work. I know the

Manitou and the Dark Half was gonna. Is gonna be

a show, those two things. And then

the other one was.

I'm gonna find this eventually. Yeah, I was gonna say, wasn't the Dark half

the first show that you did on my. My podcast,

Gary. I think it was. It sounds right.

And I found the other one. There's one. There's the dark half of the

Manitou and there is.

I remember one was Night wars and I think Dan Hagerty

is in that movie, I think. But it's.

It's this interesting low budget.

It's. It's not. I wouldn't call it a good movie in traditional sense,

but the, the whole idea of.

Damn. It's about people who went to Vietnam

and come home and somehow their friend

from Vietnam who was crazy. Yes, it's Night wars and Jacob's Ladder

somehow come back through his dreams and

somehow they can go into the dream and kill him. Like. Like I like.

Like Nightmare on Elm street again. It's real loose

and it's really stupid in parts. But I, I happen to enjoy this

film called Night wars. So I said I want to talk about it with somebody.

So it was either going to be this or with John Cross on the

shows we do together. Which. The next one. The diner

where we are in the parade way.

Michael Perret is the subject of those.

One of those films we're doing into the sun with him

and Anthony Michael Hall. And the VHS film

in question is. Now I'm gonna go John Cross's conversation

because I should have been more prepared than this. But it's. Yes indeed.

Oh oh. It. It is no Place to Hide which

has Kris Kristofferson, Drew Barrymore, Martin Landau in

it. It's like a. A cult thing where we're.

Drew Barrymore is a prostitute, I think and create

a. A beardless Chris Christopherson has to protect her from occultists

and what. Yeah, yeah. This is the film that I have a laserdisc.

And I said hey John, why not this movie? He said I have

it on vhs. It was like a match made in heaven.

You know, we both have it at the same movie on some

dead media. So there's that. So that's the next

in the parade way which we. You'll find on the

after Movie Diner once it's released and once you record

it, which I think is gonna be next week. So lots

of irons in the fire. I hope it's with. With at

least X. Because like anybody

said that about his, his. His. His mother Suzanne

cannot go on the phone because she doesn't answer the phone sometimes and

it's annoying.

Party girl. But yeah, that's it for this one.

I thank these. These amazing gentlemen for taking the time being. Being patient with

me all this time again.

Holiday shits are real, man. Yeah, I don't.

I. I don't like them, but not.

Many of us do, man. I don't think many of us do.

But this is bad. The Sleep podcast, where if you've got beef,

we've got the Grinder. See you next time. Bye. Bye.